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    Norway to ban full-face veil in nurseries, schools and universities



    Critics say the law is not necessary because the niqab is not widely worn
    Norway is proposing a ban on the Muslim full face veil and other face-covering clothing because it says it hinders communication between pupils and teachers.
    The ban, the first in Scandinavia, targets the niqab as well as burqas, balaclavas and masks, and would apply in nurseries, schools and universities.
    However headscarves, hats and caps could continue to be worn.

    Most parties support the bill, which is expected to pass next year.
    "These clothes prevent good communication, which is important for students to receive a good education," Minister of Education and Research Torbjorn Roe Isaksen said in a statement.
    Interim Minister of Immigration and Integration Per Sandberg said being able to communicate with one another was a "fundamental value".

    Local authorities in Norway can already ban the full-face veil in schools but there is no national policy.
    However critics have questioned the bill's relevance given that the full-face veil is not widely worn in Norway,
    "There are very, very few who use the niqab, so this is marginal problem in the integration context. Therefore, I believe the proposal is not necessary," Linda Noor of the Minotenk think tank, which focuses on minority issues, told broadcaster NRK.

    Earlier this year a Muslim group, the Islamic Council of Norway, sparked controversy after hiring a communications officer who wore the niqab.

    The Islamic Council - which had received government grants to improve interfaith dialogue - was criticised by the culture minister, Muslim MPs and other Muslim organisations.
    It defended the move, saying Leyla Hasic was the best person for the job.
    Norway to ban full-face veil in nurseries, schools and universities - BBC News
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    Glad to hear it. Nobody needs people in nurseries walking around in fucking executioners masks scaring children.

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    Ban these perverted freaks masks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Ban these perverted freaks masks.
    Well I guess someone had to be first with the usual rote, knee-jerk, small-minded, ignorant comment.

    Congrats, I guess.

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    It'll be followed up, of course, by posts made on the assumption that playgrounds, ice cream parlours and bouncy castles around the world are now mostly staffed by hood wearing hordes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    It'll be followed up, of course, by posts made on the assumption that playgrounds, ice cream parlours and bouncy castles around the world are now mostly staffed by hood wearing hordes...
    Correction: not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Norway to ban full-face veil in nurseries, schools and universities
    Fair nuff but need to go further. Arm all the teachers.

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    Some Muslims go on about the religious need to wear a full face veil, when there's no such religious requirement to do so, it's a cultural fad, nothing else.

    Apart from security issues crated by wearing veils, masks etc, such apparel limits interpersonal communication.

    Somebody mumbling behind a mask/veil is not easy to understand, as humans rely on more than the sound of the voice to understand a speaker, there are also facial expressions which are part of normal social communication.

    You might as well be talking to a faceless being on a phone trying to talk to someone in a veil.

    Those hard of hearing and deaf people in particular, who often rely on visual skills. like lip-reading, can't easily understand what people in masks or veils are saying at all.

    Instead of banging on about an imaginary religious pre-requisite to wear a veil, these Muslims should be thinking about how they discriminate against and socially isolate the disadvantaged deaf by indulging in their tribal fashion statement.

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    Fuk em all off to the desert and nuke fuk out of em.

    Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post


    Critics say the law is not necessary because the niqab is not widely worn
    Soooo ... the logic could then dictate the proposed Law won't be a problem because very few will be effected.

    I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Ban these perverted freaks masks.
    Well I guess someone had to be first with the usual rote, knee-jerk, small-minded, ignorant comment.

    Congrats, I guess.
    What would you call this full face veil ? A symbol of religious freedom ? Would you ban it ?
    I'am expecting the usual TD chauvinist answer

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    What's the rule at banking institutions...can one walk up to the teller cage hiding their facial identity ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Critics say the law is not necessary because the niqab is not widely worn
    Soooo ... the logic could then dictate the proposed Law won't be a problem because very few will be effected.

    I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it.
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    Explain the logic in wearing a veil since wearing one isn't a religious requirement..

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    What would you call this full face veil ? A symbol of religious freedom ? Would you ban it ?
    It's no more a symbol of religious freedom than my arse is.

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    Talk about the world going mad.
    Finland has just made it illegal to take a photo of anyone with a wooden leg!































    You have to use a camera!
    Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Critics say the law is not necessary because the niqab is not widely worn
    Soooo ... the logic could then dictate the proposed Law won't be a problem because very few will be effected.

    I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it.
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    Explain the logic in wearing a veil since wearing one isn't a religious requirement..
    Mate, maybe a misunderstanding.

    To explain my comment above ... "I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it" (adding for clarification) thus if Norway
    thinks that the full-face veil shouldn't be worn in various places, then they should make/adjust the laws as they see fit and
    not pander to religious minorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Explain the logic in wearing a veil since wearing one isn't a religious requirement..



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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Critics say the law is not necessary because the niqab is not widely worn
    Soooo ... the logic could then dictate the proposed Law won't be a problem because very few will be effected.

    I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it.
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    Explain the logic in wearing a veil since wearing one isn't a religious requirement..
    Indeed.

    There are no instructions in the Quran and hadith to wear a hijab or veil.

    I used to tell this to Machangazi, but he would dance around it and insist it was compulsory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Critics say the law is not necessary because the niqab is not widely worn
    Soooo ... the logic could then dictate the proposed Law won't be a problem because very few will be effected.

    I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it.
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    Explain the logic in wearing a veil since wearing one isn't a religious requirement..
    Mate, maybe a misunderstanding.

    To explain my comment above ... "I'm all for a Nation State making Laws that suit it" (adding for clarification) thus if Norway
    thinks that the full-face veil shouldn't be worn in various places, then they should make/adjust the laws as they see fit and
    not pander to religious minorities.
    Thanks for that.

    There'll still be a few extremist Muslims and their supporters demanding the right to enforce purdah on their women, even the women will demand it, brainwashed by ant-social, joy-killing extremist Wahabi and Salafi imams as they are.
    The whole business of hiding behind veils, scarves, masks and so on is anti-social.

    Every demo or riot going has many of the mob hiding their faces to avoid recognition.
    Many police forces and riot squads especially wear balaclavas, all in the line of duty while taking out/rounding up suspects. The IRA and Ulster paramilitaries, Basque freedom fighters and so on wore balaclavas/masks/scarves, all to avoid being identified while going about their business of intimidation.

    Take the masks/veils/scarves away and many of those wanting to create mayhem just wouldn't have the guts to front up.

    Take the case of the three veiled Muslim women, shouting about Allah, who kicked and slashed an English nursery worker with Stanley knives a few days ago, (labelled a hate crime), no-one knows who they are, they couldn't be identified.

    If three white girls did that to a Muslima, they'd have been identified and picked up already.

    Asian crims in burkas doing a heist at a jewellery store, Taliban soldiers escaping in burkas, all show that hiding one's identity is essential to "getting away with it",...whatever the "it' may be.

    Legislators of countries that allow Muslim women to wear the full face veil on the pretext that wearing one is a religious requirement in Islam must be truly thick and have almost no understanding of Islam which does NOT ordain its use.

    The full face Islamic veil and Burka are mid-eastern tribal practices arising from misogynist male dominated slave cultures, and have no place in a modern egalitarian society anywhere.

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    Agree with your last paragraph.

    Other 'parallels' you appear to suggest are patently absurd.

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    How does a woman wearing a veil eat a cheeseburger?

    Just curious like...

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    Dunno,...with their fingers I suppose...

    It gets awful sweaty and stinky in there behind that veil and hijab, Muslimas politely complain of "neck sweat" and how to deal with it.

    Still, at least the full chador and the rest keeps all the smell and sweat inside the garments instead of letting passersby get a whiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Agree with your last paragraph.

    Other 'parallels' you appear to suggest are patently absurd.
    Oh really?

    Can you suggest any reason, other than to avoid being identified, for running around in disguise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    full chador
    with the full head to toe burqa I guess a stop at Dominos is a non-starter.

    Why don't even just they have a tiny little hole so you can at least get a straw through so they can drink water?

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