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    Ancient village discovered in Canada is 10,000 years older than the pyramids

    The discovery of a 14,000-year-old ancient village in Canada could forever alter our understanding of early civilization in North America. Researchers estimate the settlement is way older than the Giza pyramids, and have found artifacts dating all the way back to the Ice Age. The village is one of the oldest human settlements we’ve ever uncovered in North America – and lines up with the oral history of the Heiltsuk Nation.



    Researchers from the Hakai Institute and University of Victoria, with local First Nations members, unearthed revealing artifacts on Triquet Island, around 310 miles northwest of Victoria, Canada. They’ve found fish hooks, spears, and tools to ignite fires. Thanks to the discovery of the ancient village last year, researchers now think a massive human migration may have happened along British Columbia’s coastline.

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    According to IFL Science, archaeologists once thought humans might arrived in North America via a land bridge between Russia and Alaska, and then moved forward on foot. But the recent discovery suggests people moved down the coast possibly in boats instead; the coastal route likely came before the inland route.
    University of Victoria PhD student Alisha Gauvreau, who was part of the excavation, told CTV News Vancouver Island, “I remember when we get [sic] the dates back and we just kind of sat there going, holy moly, this is old. What this is doing is just changing our idea of the way in which North America was first peopled.”


    The find fits right in with the oral history of a First Nations government in British Columbia, the Heiltsuk Nation. For generations they’ve told stories of ancient coastal villages. William Housty of Heiltsuk Nation told CTV News Vancouver Island, “To think about how these stories survived all of that, only to be supported by this archaeological evidence is just amazing.”


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    I read another article about this.
    Not dissing the claim or the science, and not dissing the Heiltsuk people, but it is a side issue (or perhaps the main one) that the Heiltsuk Nation have been making a land claim based on continual occupation. This discovery helps them immensely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    I read another article about this.
    Not dissing the claim or the science, and not dissing the Heiltsuk people, but it is a side issue (or perhaps the main one) that the Heiltsuk Nation have been making a land claim based on continual occupation. This discovery helps them immensely.
    Continual since when?

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    Human migration from Asia via coastal navigation going all the way down to S.America has been a well accepted view among archaeologists for many years.

    When the seas were lower during the last ice age, early migrants established hunting and food gathering bases and villages in a "string of pearls" system, the end of that string being the latest established base, it in turn becoming the back-up resort for the next pioneer group to migrate from in search of new resources.

    Nearly all evidence of those early coastal migrations and associated villages and cultural centres became submerged by rising sea levels, so that only later arrivals left any retrievable evidence of their existence above sea level.

    After the oceans reached their current levels, around maybe 6,000 years ago, evidence of early cultures survived more or less intact, buried under the coastal soils, but not irretrievably submerged as the earliest cultural artifacts were.

    As those early cultures (such as the one in the OP) arose before stone age, their artefacts were made predominantly of wood, fibres and skins, so little survived for archaeologists to study, unless they were immersed in acid environments such as swamps.

    The finds don't prove anything about the Heiltsuk people, IMO, who are the most recent arrivals to settle in the area before western occupation, as they arrived long after the seas rose, settling on lands previously occupied by earlier migrants, some of whom had migrated even further south along the coastline.

    The artefacts found at this latest dig were made by previous cultures, thousands of years before the Heiltsuk arrived as newcomers.
    Their stories refer to sunken villages occupied by those previous peoples, whom they likely competed with and dominated, the survivors of whom the Heiltsuk likely subsumed into their own culture.

    There was a continuous migration of humans from Asia, each successive migratory wave overcoming the previously established groups, competing for resources all along the coastline, the easiest travel lines for migrating animals and humans.

    The theory that humans migrated into the Americas along inland routes is not born out in the archaeological record.

    That didn't occur until the stone age arrived, giving hunters better tools to exploit resources further inland, one such resource being tougher and more conveniently workable rock for spears points and blades.
    “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? John 10:34.

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    Canada's west coast has always been a "mystical" place...The Haida art is profound...

    "Haida Gwaii is considered by archaeologists as an option for a Pacific coastal route taken by the first humans migrating to the Americas from the Bering Strait.

    It is unclear how people arrived on Haida Gwaii; but archaeological sites have established human habitation on the islands as far back as 13,000 years ago.

    Underwater archaeologists from the University of Victoria are seeking to confirm that stone structures discovered in 2014 on the seabed of Hecate Strait may date back 13,700 or more years ago and be the earliest known signs of human habitation in Canada."

    Check out Vancouver International Airport if you're heading here...

    You'll be amazed at Bill Reid's Spirit of Haida Gwaii, (The Jade Canoe)...Made out of green-coloured bronze...

    The sculpture is 6 metres (20 ft) long, not quite 4 metres (13 ft) from the base to the top of the Shaman's staff, and weighs nearly 5,000 kilograms (11,000 lb).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    I read another article about this.
    Not dissing the claim or the science, and not dissing the Heiltsuk people, but it is a side issue (or perhaps the main one) that the Heiltsuk Nation have been making a land claim based on continual occupation. This discovery helps them immensely.
    Continual since when?
    Erm....a long time ago?

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    Since conquering and eating the previous occupants of the land?

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    Tell them to fuk right off......The Irish were the first people to settle the west coast of Canada. We know this through campfire stories handed down through a thousand generations, as well as drums, song and dance. First Nations my ass.....they were a thousand years behind.... Where do people think they got their first booze FFS.....
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    From an Archaeologist family member.

    The Heiltsuk thing is all a bit wierd. I know that the people and the politics involved and it all very strange. The short of it is that the archaeology is dubious at best (dating charcoal is bad practice; dating organics which are known to be modified by humans is better). Also, this research is privately funded by a person that bought an island mid-BC coast and wanted to do environmental research as a hobby but was forced into a relationship with the First Nations and now has some archaeologists about. The archaeologists have not made the discoveries that were promised to date, and as a person come from business, the island owner is interested in cutting the fat of their research programme. The archaeologists had to come with something and get it in the news to keep their jobs.
    More generally, the island owner runs a programme that is a bit like a cult of personalty, which makes it stranger. I have friends, profs at the university, which were courted by this guy (flights to the mid-coast in a Grumman Goose!) and stays in the research centre) but could not get past the Jonestown-ness of the space. Anyway it is all really fascinating, and have not even touched on the FN side of things. Key Heiltsuk archaeologists and cultural people are nowhere to be seen in this, which is a red flag.
    Make of it what you will.

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    Don't forget that Kamloops, BC is the center of the universe...We have it all here...Truly amazing place...


    "Over 25 years ago, in 1980 on a snowy November day, a mysterious man dressed completely in white robes arrived at Vidette Lake in Deadman Valley 30 kilometres east and 50 kilometers north of Kamloops. He claimed to have found the Centre of the Universe and introduced himself to the then owner of the Vidette Lake Gold Mine Resort in Kamloops, British Columbia. Not knowing what was happening, the owner replied “Welcome my friend,” and invited him into his cabin, a former 1860's Fur Trading Post.

    The mysterious man turned out to be an apprentice monk who had been sent from San Francisco to verify the existence of the Centre of the Universe. Tibetan monks believe that the Centre of the Universe is located on the earth and using a series of tests, it can be verified. The Rinpoche, or Master Teacher, in San Francisco had simply pointed to a location on a map that he had never seen and claimed that it was the spot. He then sent the apprentice to the Kamloops area and on to Vidette Lake to conduct a series of tests. This was the white-robed man who showed up in 1980."

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    ^ You've heard of that already?...Thais are flocking to Kamloops...I want a 7-11 franchise outside the wat...

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    Never heard the story before..... apprentice Tibetan monk in white robes? The Dalai Llama would LHA off.

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    Google Kamloops the Center of the Universe...I have a thread here about it, if you'd rather...

    Quite an interesting read...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Human migration from Asia via coastal navigation going all the way down to S.America has been a well accepted view among archaeologists for many years.

    When the seas were lower during the last ice age, early migrants established hunting and food gathering bases and villages in a "string of pearls" system, the end of that string being the latest established base, it in turn becoming the back-up resort for the next pioneer group to migrate from in search of new resources.

    Nearly all evidence of those early coastal migrations and associated villages and cultural centres became submerged by rising sea levels, so that only later arrivals left any retrievable evidence of their existence above sea level.

    After the oceans reached their current levels, around maybe 6,000 years ago, evidence of early cultures survived more or less intact, buried under the coastal soils, but not irretrievably submerged as the earliest cultural artifacts were.

    As those early cultures (such as the one in the OP) arose before stone age, their artefacts were made predominantly of wood, fibres and skins, so little survived for archaeologists to study, unless they were immersed in acid environments such as swamps.

    The finds don't prove anything about the Heiltsuk people, IMO, who are the most recent arrivals to settle in the area before western occupation, as they arrived long after the seas rose, settling on lands previously occupied by earlier migrants, some of whom had migrated even further south along the coastline.

    The artefacts found at this latest dig were made by previous cultures, thousands of years before the Heiltsuk arrived as newcomers.
    Their stories refer to sunken villages occupied by those previous peoples, whom they likely competed with and dominated, the survivors of whom the Heiltsuk likely subsumed into their own culture.

    There was a continuous migration of humans from Asia, each successive migratory wave overcoming the previously established groups, competing for resources all along the coastline, the easiest travel lines for migrating animals and humans.

    The theory that humans migrated into the Americas along inland routes is not born out in the archaeological record.

    That didn't occur until the stone age arrived, giving hunters better tools to exploit resources further inland, one such resource being tougher and more conveniently workable rock for spears points and blades.

    Archaeological and historic theories, regarding the human settlement and habitation, towards the Western Hemisphere are always in limbo with new discoveries found every year or so - challenging and threatening the oh so well established status quo. Forcing them to reconsider their outdated and conventional theories as such applies to original human civilisation and how they came to migrate and settle.....

    Of equal footing and interesting discoveries from South America [Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador] have found well established civilisations and settlements dated from 12,000 to 20,000 years ago - negating the old standard theories of the natural migration south. All these wonderful new archaeological discoveries throws numerous and valid monkeywrenches into sciences' hardlined and narrow path.

    The one theoretical encounter that mainstream archaeology/anthropology/history are hard-pressed to accept is the ideals of the ancient mariner skill and knowledge. To understand that many ancient people ventured out, successfully, across the oceans - to and fro - is usually too much for these so call learned and open scholars to comprehend. Any such evidence of these broad activity defeats their scientific and cultural agendas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    human original human civilisation and how they came to migrate and settle.....
    Humans started leaving Africa 60,000 years ago and they still are. Obviously it is and was always a sh1thole.

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    As for the OP title, a lot of villages are older than the pyramids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    The one theoretical encounter that mainstream archaeology/anthropology/history are hard-pressed to accept is the ideals of the ancient mariner skill and knowledge. To understand that many ancient people ventured out, successfully, across the oceans - to and fro - is usually too much for these so call learned and open scholars to comprehend. Any such evidence of these broad activity defeats their scientific and cultural agendas.
    Eurocentric views on history, archaeology and human migrations are only now being relegated to the compost bin where they belong.
    Coupled to those are tribal histories and other anecdotal informations that have been fostered by the PC, so called humanist left and yet again, the feminist brigade that swamped into anthropology and infiltrated archeology studies world wide, over-emphasising the veracity of ethnic claims so that nothing existed in many lands before, according to them and politically driven money train and cash-cow ethnic politicos, the current ethnic occupiers of those lands.

    A classic example of that Euro-centric re-enforced belief system is the ridiculous assertion that modern day classical Maori (a misnomer for Tai Tonga tribes)are the only people to have ever occupied New Zealand, who, in the archaeological record only arrived circa 1625 CE while archaic Maori (another misnomer for Pacific Islanders) arrived circa 1125 or so. dates vary as arguments continue to rage as to who were or were not Maori, the tangata whenua (people of the land) of Aotearoa, New Zealand.

    NZ archaeologists who've pursued the view that other peoples arrived in NZ thousands of years ago in several successive migrations, each colonization overcome by and destroyed and in the last instance eaten by the newcomers, have been horribly persecuted and maligned, threatened with death for speaking about their findings, persecuted at university level and socially ostracized by the current sheep know as the average New Zealander.

    There are many oral histories held by various Polynesian tribes in New Zealand describing the land as being occupied by successive occupation groups, but all that information has been cleaned out of public libraries in the current by Tai Tonga , Nai Tahu and Nga Puhi peoples, the dominant tribes of NZ, in their drive to sanitize and re-invent their rather dodgy past.

    The sheeples are thick enough and cowed enough by government and social pressure, especially from the feminist led PC Greeny loopy brigade and other cuddly factor ethnic supporters, to go along with the status quo theory of Maori principality claims to NZ.Included in that pressure group are the so called Maori themselves, who'd lose out on the cash cow of treaty of Waitangi settlement money if the truth of who really were the original occupants came out at all.

    All that's re-enforced by the universities and their professors, who'd lose face and status as well as income on a massive level if the truth of who the original indigenes of NZ were

    Many NZ Tai Tonga, Waitaha and Moriori people are also threatened and bullied by the more recent blow ins from across the Pacific.

    If the truth be known, stellar navigation led the way for countless global voyages over more than 5,000 years in the Pacific travelling from the eastern shores of the Gulf of Arabia, India China and the Americas long before so callecd Maori ever even dreamed of voyaging to Aotearoa, following routes shown to them by other ethnic and racial groups.

    European travel across to the Americas was well established at about the same time, around 5,000 years ago, as seen again in the archaeological record.

    One interesting fact, Amerinds didn't start to use the bow and arrow until around 600 yeas ago, and arrowheads found around Lake Michigan and the St Lawrence are similar in craftsmanship to ones found at Stonehenge.

    There's more, especially in the arch digs of the Woodlands culture of NE USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    The one theoretical encounter that mainstream archaeology/anthropology/history are hard-pressed to accept is the ideals of the ancient mariner skill and knowledge. To understand that many ancient people ventured out, successfully, across the oceans - to and fro - is usually too much for these so call learned and open scholars to comprehend. Any such evidence of these broad activity defeats their scientific and cultural agendas.
    Eurocentric views on history, archaeology and human migrations are only now being relegated to the compost bin where they belong.
    Coupled to those are tribal histories and other anecdotal informations that have been fostered by the PC, so called humanist left and yet again, the feminist brigade that swamped into anthropology and infiltrated archeology studies world wide, over-emphasising the veracity of ethnic claims so that nothing existed in many lands before, according to them and politically driven money train and cash-cow ethnic politicos, the current ethnic occupiers of those lands.

    A classic example of that Euro-centric re-enforced belief system is the ridiculous assertion that modern day classical Maori (a misnomer for Tai Tonga tribes)are the only people to have ever occupied New Zealand, who, in the archaeological record only arrived circa 1625 CE while archaic Maori (another misnomer for Pacific Islanders) arrived circa 1125 or so. dates vary as arguments continue to rage as to who were or were not Maori, the tangata whenua (people of the land) of Aotearoa, New Zealand.

    NZ archaeologists who've pursued the view that other peoples arrived in NZ thousands of years ago in several successive migrations, each colonization overcome by and destroyed and in the last instance eaten by the newcomers, have been horribly persecuted and maligned, threatened with death for speaking about their findings, persecuted at university level and socially ostracized by the current sheep know as the average New Zealander.

    There are many oral histories held by various Polynesian tribes in New Zealand describing the land as being occupied by successive occupation groups, but all that information has been cleaned out of public libraries in the current by Tai Tonga , Nai Tahu and Nga Puhi peoples, the dominant tribes of NZ, in their drive to sanitize and re-invent their rather dodgy past.

    The sheeples are thick enough and cowed enough by government and social pressure, especially from the feminist led PC Greeny loopy brigade and other cuddly factor ethnic supporters, to go along with the status quo theory of Maori principality claims to NZ.Included in that pressure group are the so called Maori themselves, who'd lose out on the cash cow of treaty of Waitangi settlement money if the truth of who really were the original occupants came out at all.

    All that's re-enforced by the universities and their professors, who'd lose face and status as well as income on a massive level if the truth of who the original indigenes of NZ were

    Many NZ Tai Tonga, Waitaha and Moriori people are also threatened and bullied by the more recent blow ins from across the Pacific.

    If the truth be known, stellar navigation led the way for countless global voyages over more than 5,000 years in the Pacific travelling from the eastern shores of the Gulf of Arabia, India China and the Americas long before so callecd Maori ever even dreamed of voyaging to Aotearoa, following routes shown to them by other ethnic and racial groups.

    European travel across to the Americas was well established at about the same time, around 5,000 years ago, as seen again in the archaeological record.

    One interesting fact, Amerinds didn't start to use the bow and arrow until around 600 yeas ago, and arrowheads found around Lake Michigan and the St Lawrence are similar in craftsmanship to ones found at Stonehenge.

    There's more, especially in the arch digs of the Woodlands culture of NE USA.


    Add: Arab, Moorish, Indian, Malay and Chinese seafaring development long before Europeans invented their identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    The theory that humans migrated into the Americas along inland routes is not born out in the archaeological record
    When I was in school we were taught humans were a late arrival in the Americas - arriving recently over the land bridge to Alaska. That timescale has, of course, been long-since proven to be wrong and had a lot more to do with white-man's claim to the land than it had with archaeology or anthropology.
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    As for the OP title, a lot of villages are older than the pyramids.
    Lots of things are older than the pyramids. For some reason the media always likes to date things to before or after the pyramids. I suppose that in some way they are great big convenient pointy markers of age although I doubt most people could put a date on any of them.


    Factoid for Jeff , The 10 oldest buildings in the world, dating back to 7,000 years ago, are all European - mostly Western European, and mostly French, British, and Irish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    .The 10 oldest buildings in the world, dating back to 7,000 years ago, are all European - mostly Western European, and mostly French, British, and Irish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post

    Factoid for Jeff , The 10 oldest buildings in the world, dating back to 7,000 years ago, are all European - mostly Western European, and mostly French, British, and Irish!
    Best redo your dismal research, Bob.

    Pathetic and sad.
    Ignorance is terribly bliss.

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    Of course the Pyramids are of great importance when explaining time to the masses, because from an early indoctrination they get taught that Egypt had an ancient civilisation.
    Then to give it a more ancient perspective in time every person have seen the Jews building the pyramids in the Hollywood movie "The Ten Commandments "

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