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Old 10-04-2017, 09:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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North Korea- A Nuclear Threat or Not

US, China agree on North Korea nuclear threat, Tillerson says
By Brad Lendon and Steven Jiang, CNN
Updated 1224 GMT (2024 HKT) April 10, 2017


(CNN)China understands how dangerous North Korea's nuclear program has become and agrees action must be taken to stop it, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said Sunday, as the US sent an aircraft carrier strike group toward the Korean Peninsula.

"I think even China is beginning to recognize that this presents a threat to even China's interests," Tillerson said during an interview on CBS' "Face the Nation" program Sunday. He was asked about how North Korea was discussed during last week's summit between US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping.
"President Xi clearly understands, and I think agrees, that the situation has intensified and has reached a certain level of threat that action has to be taken," Tillerson said.
Tillerson did not offer specifics on what those actions might be, but said in Seoul last month that the US would consider military action against North Korea if it was provoked.
Despite Tillerson's assessment, China hasn't signaled any change in its approach to Pyongyang in the wake of the landmark summit.

US, China agree on North Korea nuclear threat, Tillerson says - CNNPolitics.com
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The USA - a nuclear threat or not?

The real boogieman.
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"President Xi clearly understands, and I think agrees, that the situation has intensified and has reached a certain level of threat that action has to be taken," Tillerson said.
So Tillerson isn't really sure if President Xi agrees that action has to be taken. One would think that would have been important to find out before the US considers taking any action.
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Perhaps this is an issue b/c of KJU's recent purging, threats, and testimony from high level defectors.

I don't know he's a thread.

I think as for the Americans it's about....possibilities.
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I think we all know who the real threat is here... the body count speaks for itself.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I think we all know who the real threat is here... the body count speaks for itself.
I agree but that's not the topic.

The topic is NK.
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The topic is Tillerson's claim that NK is a threat.

You can ignore the hypocrisy of course.
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The topic is Tillerson's claim that NK is a threat.

You can ignore the hypocrisy of course.
I don't ignore the hypocrisy - it's always been there.


As for NK and Kim Jong-Un,

For years and years I never considered Korea a threat.

As of only the last few weeks I have starting change my thinking - looking long term.
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Here's the echo chamber.

Over-the-top? Real? But then again, it's the Daily Mail.


China 'deploys 150,000 troops to deal with possible North Korean refugees over

fears Trump may strike Kim Jong-un following missile attack on Syria'
Trump's Syria strike Friday was widely interpreted as a warning to North Korea
China, which was left shocked by the air strikes, has deployed medical and backup units from the People's Liberation Army forces to the Yalu River
The troops have been dispatched to prepare for pre-emptive attacks by the US
The US Navy has moved the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group from Singapore to North Korea after the country conducted more missile testing


Read more: China 'deploys 150,000 troops to North Korea border' | Daily Mail Online
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Mission accomplished then. Your move Fat Boy.
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Again, is North Korea a nuclear threat or not?

North Korea state media warns of nuclear strike if provoked as US warships approach

Tension has escalated sharply on the Korean peninsula with talk of military action by the United States gaining traction following its strikes last week against Syria and amid concerns the reclusive North may soon conduct a sixth nuclear test.

North Korea's official Rodong Sinmun newspaper said the country was prepared to respond to any aggression by the United States.

"Our revolutionary strong army is keenly watching every move by enemy elements with our nuclear sight focused on the U.S. invasionary bases not only in South Korea and the Pacific operation theater but also in the U.S. mainland," it said.

South Korean acting President Hwang Kyo-ahn warned of "greater provocations" by North Korea and ordered the military to intensify monitoring and to ensure close communication with the United States.

"It is possible the North may wage greater provocations such as a nuclear test timed with various anniversaries including the Supreme People's Assembly," said Hwang, acting leader since former president Park Geun-hye was removed amid a graft scandal.

North Korea state media warns of nuclear strike if provoked as US warships approach
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You know there's been a reason why N Korea has been treated with a "light touch" for so long and military threats were not made against them. Seems like Trump hasn't read the manual yet.
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It isn't Trump’s job to gather material regarding all the issues that cross his desk. That is the job of his cabinet's staff and then it is run up the pole to the cabinet member. From there, various options are given to the president of which he will make a final decision.

You need to learn a bit about the process before you start making remarks like whether the president has read a manual or not Neverna.

And that is how most presidential decisions are made. Presidents deal with a never-ending series of memoranda that cross their desk on a daily basis, asking them to choose among different options developed by aides, often with deadlines looming that leave little time for careful reflection. Rarely do presidents have the luxury to delve as deeply into the substance of these issues and choices as they might like. Indeed, they are lucky if they can affect these options at the margins. More generally, the president must depend on the expertise and judgment of his (someday her) advisers, knowing full well that the repercussions of the choices they make will fall on their shoulders, and not their aides’. George W. Bush’s memoirs Decision Points (of which I will have much to say in a future post) focuses on the key decisions he made during his presidency. What it does not reveal, however, is how those decisions and option papers were developed en route to his desk; only rarely do we get a hint that his mistakes – and he admits to many – were rooted in part on the advice and information provided by others. Bush’s willingness to take the blame is an admirable trait, to be sure, and reflects the reality that, in the end, presidents are the ones who are rightly held accountable for the choices they make. But it also gives a misleading picture of the way decisions are made.
From this excellent post by Matthew Dickinson.

It is common not only to overestimate the influence that the president has on public opinion and policy, but to overestimate the influence the president has on even the decisions that he does make.

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It isn't Trump’s job to gather material regarding all the issues that cross his desk. That is the job of his cabinet's staff and then it is run up the pole to the cabinet member. From there, various options are given to the president of which he will make a final decision.
How can he make a meaningful final decision if he is not informed? ???

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You need to learn a bit about the process before you start making remarks like whether the president has read a manual or not Neverna.
You mean I should do just like you and google "How Presidential Decisions Are Made" and then copy and paste something as my answer?



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And that is how most presidential decisions are made. Presidents deal with a never-ending series of memoranda that cross their desk on a daily basis, asking them to choose among different options developed by aides, often with deadlines looming that leave little time for careful reflection. Rarely do presidents have the luxury to delve as deeply into the substance of these issues and choices as they might like. Indeed, they are lucky if they can affect these options at the margins. More generally, the president must depend on the expertise and judgment of his (someday her) advisers, knowing full well that the repercussions of the choices they make will fall on their shoulders, and not their aides’. George W. Bush’s memoirs Decision Points (of which I will have much to say in a future post) focuses on the key decisions he made during his presidency. What it does not reveal, however, is how those decisions and option papers were developed en route to his desk; only rarely do we get a hint that his mistakes – and he admits to many – were rooted in part on the advice and information provided by others. Bush’s willingness to take the blame is an admirable trait, to be sure, and reflects the reality that, in the end, presidents are the ones who are rightly held accountable for the choices they make. But it also gives a misleading picture of the way decisions are made.
From this excellent post by Matthew Dickinson.

It is common not only to overestimate the influence that the president has on public opinion and policy, but to overestimate the influence the president has on even the decisions that he does make.

How Presidential Decisions Are Made - The Monkey Cage
You're a funny guy, Ricksshoppers.

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If you know nothing about how something is done, the internet can be your friend. I tried to pick a very simple article to give you a clue since you really don't seem to know how presidents make their ultimate decisions. There is a plethora of articles on the internet that can help you.

The president is informed the best he can be informed given the time constraints. I am sure he is informed of his options prior to making any decision. Is that not how things are done where you come from?
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Rick, you had no clue so you googled it. I understand. If you had a clue, you could have posted your own words.

And by what you're saying about Trump, he has as little clue as you.

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Do you think it's time for more Tomahawk missile practice, missiles have been programmed for years at this target, time to check it out.
Trumps found a new toy, go boys go.
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Sorry Neverna, but I have known for years how decisions are made by the president, but you obviously didn't. The article was purely for your information whether you read it or not. It is you who seems clueless. Why should I explain elementary workings of the white house when I can post up a grade school response that you might understand.

Curious, what is your educational background? Did you ever get accepted to university level?
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Ricks choppers, Post #13 is spot on.
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It was a copy and paste.

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Ricks choppers, Post #13 is spot on.
It was a copy and paste.

I think CP already is aware of that and is probably referring to the context.
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Ricks choppers, Post #13 is spot on.
It was a copy and paste.

I think CP already is aware of that and is probably referring to the context.
Correct.
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Can anyone really believe what the governments/press say, is NK a threat or just propaganda stories.

Saddam had WMD, Iran was going to nuke Israel and the EU would soon be in range, bogymen everywhere.

Russian is a danger to world peace, it's got an obsolete military, old ships, planes and probably few nukes that work.

We are all mushrooms, keep in the dark and fed bull shit, Trump probably gets fed the same BS.

So I don't know whether NK is a threat, or just another invented enemy, not that it will make any difference, the truth will not win out and the agenda will play out.
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Do you think it's time for more Tomahawk missile practice
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