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    Syria conflict: 'Chemical attack' in Idlib kills 58

    Syria conflict: 'Chemical attack' in Idlib kills 58

    At least 58 people have been killed and dozens wounded in a suspected chemical attack on a rebel-held town in north-western Syria, a monitoring group says.

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that strikes on Khan Sheikhoun by Syrian government or Russian jets had caused many people to choke.

    Later, aircraft fired rockets at local clinics treating survivors, medics and activists said.
    A Syrian military source denied the government had used any such weapons.
    Russia's defence ministry meanwhile insisted it had not carried out any air strikes in the vicinity.
    If confirmed, it would be one of the deadliest chemical attacks in Syria's civil war.

    What happened?
    The warplanes are reported to have attacked Khan Sheikhoun, about 50km (30 miles) south of the city of Idlib, early on Tuesday, when many people were asleep.

    Rescue workers said many children were among those killed or injured in the attack
    Hussein Kayal, a photographer for the pro-opposition Edlib Media Center (EMC), told the Associated Press that he was awoken by the sound of an explosion at about 06:30 (03:30 GMT).
    When he reached the scene, there was no smell, he said. He found people lying on the floor, unable to move and with constricted pupils, he added.

    Mohammed Rasoul, the head of a charity ambulance service in Idlib, told the BBC that his medics had found people, many of them children, choking in the street.
    The Syrian Observatory (SOHR) quoted medics as saying that they had been treating people with symptoms including fainting, vomiting and foaming at the mouth.

    An AFP news agency journalist saw a young girl, a woman and two elderly people dead at a hospital, all with foam still visible around their mouths.

    Opposition activists said Syrian government or Russian warplanes carried out the strikes
    The journalist also reported that the same facility was hit by a rocket on Tuesday afternoon, bringing down rubble on top of doctors treating the injured.

    The source of the projectile was not clear, but the EMC and the opposition Local Co-ordination Committees (LCC) network said warplanes had targeted several clinics.
    Pro-government journalists later cited military sources as saying there had been an explosion at an al-Qaeda chemical weapons factory in Khan Sheikhoun that was caused either by an air strike or an accident.

    How many victims are there?
    The SOHR put the death toll at 58, including 11 children, but Mr Rasoul reported that 67 people had been killed and that 300 were injured.

    The pro-opposition Step news agency meanwhile said 100 had died.
    One aid agency, the Union of Medical Care and Relief Organisations (UOSSM), put the death toll at more than 100 and said that the figure was likely to rise.

    Rescue workers from the Syria Civil Defence, known as the White Helmets, were also overcome
    The EMC said it had stopped counting the victims because there were so many.
    It posted photos showing what appeared to be at least seven dead children in the back of a pick-up truck. There were no visible traumatic injuries on their bodies.

    What substance was used?
    The SOHR said it was unable to say what exactly was dropped.
    However, the EMC and LCC said it was believed to be the nerve agent Sarin, which is highly toxic and considered 20 times as deadly as cyanide.

    Chemical weapons expert Dan Kaszeta said that determining whether Sarin was involved simply by examining video clips is problematic.

    He added that Tuesday's attack could have been the result of one of any number of chemical agents as they tend to "behave the same in terms of their physiological effects on the human body".
    Sarin is almost impossible to detect because it is a clear, colourless and tasteless liquid that has no odour in its purest form.

    A Syrian military source insisted it "does not and has not" used chemical weapons

    Has Sarin been used in Syria before?
    The government was accused by Western powers of firing rockets filled with Sarin at several rebel-held suburbs of the capital Damascus in August 2013, killing hundreds of people.
    President Bashar al-Assad denied the charge, blaming rebel fighters, but he did subsequently agree to destroy Syria's chemical arsenal.

    Despite that, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has continued to document the use of toxic chemicals in attacks in Syria.

    In January 2016, it said blood samples taken from the victims of one unspecified attack showed victims had been exposed to Sarin or a Sarin-like substance.
    Other reported use of chemical agents:
    A joint investigation with the UN concluded in October that government forces had used chlorine as a weapon at least three times between 2014 and 2015
    It also found Islamic State militants had used the blister agent sulphur mustard
    Human Rights Watch also recently accused government helicopters of dropping bombs containing chlorine on rebel-held areas of Aleppo

    Human Rights Watch said helicopters dropped chlorine bombs over rebel-held Aleppo last year
    What has been the reaction to Tuesday's attack?

    UN Syria envoy Staffan de Mistura said it was an "horrific" attack and that there should be a "clear identification of responsibilities and accountability" for the attack on the rebel-held town.
    French President Francois Hollande accused the Syrian regime of a "massacre". "Once again the Syrian regime will deny the evidence of its responsibility for this massacre," Mr Hollande said in a statement.

    UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said that President Bashar al-Assad would be guilty of a war crime if it were proved his regime was responsible.
    "Bombing your own civilians with chemical weapons is unquestionably a war crime and they must be held to account," he said.

    France said reports suggested that it was a "particularly serious chemical attack"
    The UK and France, which said that reports suggested it was a "particularly serious chemical attack", have called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

    There was no immediate comment from the government, but a Syrian military source told Reuters news agency that it "does not and has not" used chemical weapons.

    The OPCW said it was "seriously concerned" about the alleged chemical attack, adding that it was "gathering and analysing information from all available sources".

    Syria conflict: 'Chemical attack' in Idlib kills 58 - BBC News
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    Well now they know they have nothing to fear from the 'states....

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    The chemical weapons belonging to the Syrian government were all taken away, weren't they?

    https://www.wsj.com/removal-of-chemical-weapons-from-syria-is-completed




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    Maybe narrowing the field Neverna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The chemical weapons belonging to the Syrian government were all taken away, weren't they?

    https://www.wsj.com/removal-of-chemical-weapons-from-syria-is-completed




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    Sure said a "Hague-based watchdog agency" in 2014.

    WTF is a "watchdog agency" anyhow...Hague-based, eh.
    Does that mean politically correct or without sulfites or MSG ?

    Possibly after almost three years they brewed a new 'low fat' batch or received a delivery from elsewhere.

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    Opposition activists said Syrian government or Russian warplanes carried out the strikes
    I hate these terms Oposition Activists and Local Sources, they seem to give the media free reign to print any old speculation and manipulate the truth of whats really happening.

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    ^ Yep, and the Russians said they did not strike in that area on that day and the Syrians have said they did not use any chemical weapons. That just leaves the Americans, the Belgians, the "rebels" and IS. So which one?

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    The BBCs man in Beirut will find out the truth via his phone calls into Syria.
    Yesterday the BBC ruthlessly plugged this news story, then subtly after it had been reported this they slipped in after the St Piertersburg underground train bomb.
    BBC hinting that it was Russia.
    NATO needs it to be the Russians, even if it's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    ^ Yep, and the Russians said they did not strike in that area on that day and the Syrians have said they did not use any chemical weapons. That just leaves the Americans, the Belgians, the "rebels" and IS. So which one?
    So who do you believe these days?

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    here we go again, trying to setup Assad for it

    The Pentagon never learn, time to bomb them too

    oh wait, we already did, but didn't succeed apparently

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    Are you saying Assad is not responsible Butters? Please offer up the proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Are you saying Assad is not responsible Butters? Please offer up the proof.
    Are you saying Assad is responsible, Rick? Please offer up the proof.


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    ^ Yep, and the Russians said they did not strike in that area on that day and the Syrians have said they did not use any chemical weapons. That just leaves the Americans, the Belgians, the "rebels" and IS. So which one?
    So who do you believe these days?
    At this point in time, it's not clear who is responsible for any chemical attack this week. In this particular case at this point in time, I believe the Russians more than anyone else. At this point in time and in this case, I don't take the rhetoric coming out of the USA seriously (they seriously lack credibility at the moment). As far as I know, the Belgians haven't commented.
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    The video of the aftermath of this attack is horrendous. So many children hardly breathing because the chemicals.



    ^ From the Russians. (You know where to find out what they said!)


    Rebel warehouse with chem weapons hit by Syrian airstrike in Idlib – Russian MOD

    The Syrian Air Force has destroyed a warehouse in Idlib province where chemical weapons were being produced and stockpiled before being shipped to Iraq, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman said.

    The strike, which was launched midday Tuesday, targeted a major rebel ammunition depot east of the town of Khan Sheikhoun, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement.

    The warehouse was used to both produce and store shells containing toxic gas, Konashenkov said. The shells were delivered to Iraq and repeatedly used there, he added, pointing out that both Iraq and international organizations have confirmed the use of such weapons by militants.

    more https://www.rt.com/news/383522-syria...rike-chemical/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Are you saying Assad is not responsible Butters? Please offer up the proof.
    Are you saying Assad is responsible, Rick? Please offer up the proof.


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    ^ Yep, and the Russians said they did not strike in that area on that day and the Syrians have said they did not use any chemical weapons. That just leaves the Americans, the Belgians, the "rebels" and IS. So which one?
    So who do you believe these days?
    At this point in time, it's not clear who is responsible for any chemical attack this week. In this particular case at this point in time, I believe the Russians more than anyone else. At this point in time and in this case, I don't take the rhetoric coming out of the USA seriously (they seriously lack credibility at the moment). As far as I know, the Belgians haven't commented.
    No, I did not say Assad was responsible did I?

    Interesting that you believe the Russians more than anyone else Neverna. Personally, I don't believe anyone, never have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Are you saying Assad is not responsible Butters? Please offer up the proof.
    what about yours that Assad did it ? oh wait, it was on TV and the government said so

    people never learn, no wonder we keep repeating the same mistakes and they get ass raped constantly by politicians

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    The video of the aftermath of this attack is horrendous. So many children hardly breathing because the chemicals.



    ^ From the Russians. (You know where to find out what they said!)


    Rebel warehouse with chem weapons hit by Syrian airstrike in Idlib – Russian MOD

    The Syrian Air Force has destroyed a warehouse in Idlib province where chemical weapons were being produced and stockpiled before being shipped to Iraq, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman said.

    The strike, which was launched midday Tuesday, targeted a major rebel ammunition depot east of the town of Khan Sheikhoun, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement.

    The warehouse was used to both produce and store shells containing toxic gas, Konashenkov said. The shells were delivered to Iraq and repeatedly used there, he added, pointing out that both Iraq and international organizations have confirmed the use of such weapons by militants.

    more https://www.rt.com/news/383522-syria...rike-chemical/
    so nothing to do with Assad, and yet the west, that seem to never learn from their own stupid mistakes, keep repeating the same rethoric that has put us in this war mess in the first place,

    you know with such obvious stupidity, I am starting to think it must be done on purpose, and that conspiracy theories might be onto something

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Personally, I don't believe anyone, never have.
    Got many friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    https://www.rt.com/news/383522-syria...rike-chemical/

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    ^ Has RT been hacked?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
    Personally, I don't believe anyone, never have.
    Got many friends?
    Plenty thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
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    Personally, I don't believe anyone, never have.
    Got many friends?
    Plenty thanks.
    But you don't believe what they say. Odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
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    Personally, I don't believe anyone, never have.
    Got many friends?
    Plenty thanks.
    But you don't believe what they say. Odd.
    Do you believe everything you are told? Even more odd.

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    There is a lot of fake news about on the Internet and Tele so one does have to be sceptical.
    The western news media outlets have made sure that their audience no longer believes them , especially reports of Syria.
    We are aware of the manipulation of lies towards us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickschoppers View Post
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    Personally, I don't believe anyone, never have.
    Got many friends?
    Plenty thanks.
    But you don't believe what they say. Odd.
    Do you believe everything you are told? Even more odd.
    I don't believe everything I am told. That seems normal to me. But not believing anything you are told is odd. Real odd. It must be fun shopping with you.

    Rick: How much is that?
    20 dollars, sir.
    Rick: Liar. How much is it really?
    It's 20 dollars sir.
    Rick: Fuck off. Bring the manager.
    Manager: What seems to be the problem sir?
    Rick: That twat lied to me. He told me the price is 20 dollars.
    Manager: The price is 20 dollars, sir, but just for you, I'll give it to you for 19 dollars 50 cents.
    Rick: See! I told you he lied to me.
    Manager: He didn't lie sir. I have just given you a discount. The reduced price is 19.50.
    Rick: I don't believe you.
    Manager: OMG. Call a doctor. This guy is nuts.


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    So you know and I know we are both speaking in generalities here. I am sure you don't belive everything you are told and have friends that spin, sugarcoat or flat out lie. How do you separate the truth from the lies? Do you ever go around verifying what people say? Maybe I should have said I am skeptical of everything I hear or read until I can verify. The cost of a $20 item may or may not be sold for the marked price, but that is a very poor example of what we are really talking about.

    You seem to enjoy going around correcting what people say and use the literal instead of understanding the principal. If that is what turns you on, then so be it. By the way, I don't believe a word you say.

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