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    'Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler,' says Indian politician Dr Shashi



    Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, says the blame for the Bengal Famine rests with Churchill ROHIT JAIN PARAS/AFP/Getty Images

    An Indian politician has said Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler and the two leaders have equivalent amounts of “blood” on their hands.

    Dr Shashi Tharoor, whose new book Inglorious Empire chronicles the atrocities of the British Empire, said the former British Prime Minister should be remembered alongside the most prominent dictators of the twentieth century.

    Dr Tharoor, a former Under-Secretary General of the UN, said the blame for the Bengal Famine rested with Churchill. In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.

    “This is the man who the British insist on hailing as some apostle of freedom and democracy," the author said of Churchill at a launch of his book. "When to my mind he is really one of the more evil rulers of the 20th century only fit to stand in company of the likes of Hitler, Mao and Stalin".

    “Churchill has as much blood on his hands as Hitler does,” the Indian MP said.

    “Particularly the decisions that he personally signed off during The Bengal Famine when 4.3 million people died because of the decisions he took or endorsed."

    "Not only did the British pursue its own policy of not helping the victims of this famine which was created by their policies. Churchill persisted in exporting grain to Europe, not to feed actual ‘Sturdy Tommies’, to use his phrase, but add to the buffer stocks that were being piled up in the event of a future invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia”.

    “Ships laden with wheat were coming in from Australia docking in Calcutta and were instructed by Churchill not to disembark their cargo but sail on to Europe,” he added. “And when conscience-stricken British officials wrote to the Prime Minister in London pointing out that his policies were causing needless loss of life all he could do was write peevishly in the margin of the report, ‘Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?'"

    The 5 of the worst atrocities carried out by the British Empire

    Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, the Prime Minister who led Britain to victory in World War Two, said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”

    Dr Tharoor, a former Indian government minister, rose to prominence after his impassioned speech at the Oxford Union in July of 2015 went viral. In the address, he discussed the economic toll British rule took on India.

    He said: "India's share of the world economy when Britain arrived on it shores was 23 per cent. By the time the British left it was down to below four per cent. Why? Simply because India had been governed for the benefit of Britain. Britain's rise for 200 years was financed by its depredations in India."

    "In fact, Britain's industrial revolution was actually premised upon the de-industrialisation of India."

    Dr Tharoor recently gained headlines for suggesting Britons suffer "historical amnesia” over the atrocities and plunder committed by the empire.
    'Winston Churchill is no better than Adolf Hitler,' says Indian politician Dr Shashi Tharoor | The Independent

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    Of course not...They're both dead...

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    This guy almost became general Secretary of UN in 2006, but finished second behind Ban Ki Moon

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    I agree and I think all those nice Indian and Pakistani people should show their anger and indignation at those nasty Brits by immediately migrating back to India, so that those abominable Englishmen no longer have the pleasure of their company. That will teach those nasty Brits!

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    I concede on one basic level (bombing civilian cities tit-for-tat) they were as bad as each other...

    However, about there the similarities end... gassing 9 million people makes Hitler the clear "winner" in the asshole stakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    the blame for the Bengal Famine rested with Churchill.
    Nothing to do with weather or bad farming practices then?

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    Bloody Britishers eh?


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    Let's step sending billions in aid also

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    Churchill was right about a lot of things but, equally, many of his decisions were quite awful, any one of which would have destroyed a modern day politician. That he continued to flourish was really a testament to the British Establishment's ability and inclination at that time to suck upper class cock. Antwerp, Gallipoli, the Black and Tans/Auxiliaries, the Gold Standard, India and absurd racism, Norway, Mers-el-Kebir are but a few.

    The thing about him is that he got away with sacrificing other folks' blood for his so-called beliefs which were in many ways simply an opportunity for his own vainglory to assert itself, and pretentious rhetoric replete with gimmicks.

    If the Russians hadn't won WW2, he'd be an eccentric and amusing footnote.

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    They needed a bull-dog like WC during the war.... without him...well, you know the rest...


    Pretty incompetent as a PM,. post war though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbobs View Post
    Let's step sending billions in aid also
    But they have Mars missions to pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    I concede on one basic level (bombing civilian cities tit-for-tat) they were as bad as each other...
    Probably UK soldiers getting slaughtered at Dunkirk were writing to their MPs; demanding that German cities not be bombed...

    War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over. William Tecumseh Sherman

    Sherman got it right 152 years ago

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    Had there been no British Empire, India as we know it today would not exist. The Sub Continent was comprised of many small kingdoms; the Brits united the country as it is today. Would have been even larger but Muslims ands Hindus couldn't stop killing each other.

    British rule certainly wasn't perfect but to compare Churchill with Hitler is pure bull shit. But hey some idiots buy in to that stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Churchill was right about a lot of things but, equally, many of his decisions were quite awful, any one of which would have destroyed a modern day politician. That he continued to flourish was really a testament to the British Establishment's ability and inclination at that time to suck upper class cock. Antwerp, Gallipoli, the Black and Tans/Auxiliaries, the Gold Standard, India and absurd racism, Norway, Mers-el-Kebir are but a few.
    The British and their by-blows are shockingly ignorant of their own history. Many of them learnt it from comic books. One idiot on here was wittering on earlier about the glorious victory at Gallipoli. He wasn't Turkish.

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    The apologists emerge

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Churchill was right about a lot of things but, equally, many of his decisions were quite awful, any one of which would have destroyed a modern day politician. That he continued to flourish was really a testament to the British Establishment's ability and inclination at that time to suck upper class cock. Antwerp, Gallipoli, the Black and Tans/Auxiliaries, the Gold Standard, India and absurd racism, Norway, Mers-el-Kebir are but a few.
    The British and their by-blows are shockingly ignorant of their own history. Many of them learnt it from comic books. One idiot on here was wittering on earlier about the glorious victory at Gallipoli. He wasn't Turkish.
    I have my doubts that they are literate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    Had there been no British Empire, India as we know it today would not exist. The Sub Continent was comprised of many small kingdoms; the Brits united the country as it is today
    As I said, history from comic books. Why do you think any of that is 1) A good thing, 2) True?

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    I had an uncle at Dunkirk. I was told he got back in his underwear.He had to swim out to a boat. Many guys were dragged down by their clothing etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I had an uncle at Dunkirk. I was told he got back in his underwear.He had to swim out to a boat. Many guys were dragged down by their clothing etc.
    And? What are you saying? That your uncle was an exhibitionist, or perhaps careless with his clothes?That Marks & Spencer were just as bad as Hitler and Churchill, that British underwear collaborated with Nazis? What relevance does your little anecdote have

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    Had there been no British Empire, India as we know it today would not exist. The Sub Continent was comprised of many small kingdoms; the Brits united the country as it is today
    As I said, history from comic books. Why do you think any of that is 1) A good thing, 2) True?
    Dear Bobby, if you believe Churchill was worse than Hitler, well, that's great Kool Aid your drinking. Jimmy Jones would be proud

    PS- India really was comprised of several kingdoms before the Brits arrived. Keep reading the comics dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    Probably UK soldiers getting slaughtered at Dunkirk were writing to their MPs; demanding that German cities not be bombed...
    I get your point, I'm just saying an eye for an eye, two wrongs don't make a right is all. My Grandad fought the germans in WW2. He was 17 years old, navy on a a MTB.

    I remember him telling me they came upon a sinking German Battleship, his Captain ordered him to open fire on the enemy soldiers on deck. Grandad told him to get fucked 55...

    Another time they were in port, purging oil into the ocean when there was a fire, the smell of burning flesh on the ocean - his best mate died in his arms.

    War sucks dog turd, at the best of times, just wish we would confine our rage and cruelty to the enemy military - instead of civilians.

    'Are we beasts?' asked Winston Churchill one night in 1943 after watching a film of the bomb damage done to Germany. The question was probably rhetorical: Churchill had authorised the bombing campaign from its puny beginnings in 1940 to the massive Combined Offensive launched with the American air forces in the last two years of war. His language was always intemperate and flowery - 'extermination', 'annihilation' and so on. Did he mean it? Did the British military machine set out deliberately in the Second World War on a path to the genocide of the German people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I had an uncle at Dunkirk. I was told he got back in his underwear.He had to swim out to a boat. Many guys were dragged down by their clothing etc.
    And? What are you saying? That your uncle was an exhibitionist, or perhaps careless with his clothes?That Marks & Spencer were just as bad as Hitler and Churchill, that British underwear collaborated with Nazis? What relevance does your little anecdote have
    The relevance is the his Uncle served; did you serve Bobby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    Churchill was right about a lot of things but, equally, many of his decisions were quite awful, any one of which would have destroyed a modern day politician. That he continued to flourish was really a testament to the British Establishment's ability and inclination at that time to suck upper class cock. Antwerp, Gallipoli, the Black and Tans/Auxiliaries, the Gold Standard, India and absurd racism, Norway, Mers-el-Kebir are but a few.
    The British and their by-blows are shockingly ignorant of their own history. Many of them learnt it from comic books. One idiot on here was wittering on earlier about the glorious victory at Gallipoli. He wasn't Turkish.
    I didn't see anyone do that.

    Which post?

    P.S. For a defeat it wasn't that bad; Turkish casualties outnumbered British/Irish/ANZAC ones by a factor of more than three to one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    Had there been no British Empire, India as we know it today would not exist. The Sub Continent was comprised of many small kingdoms; the Brits united the country as it is today. Would have been even larger but Muslims ands Hindus couldn't stop killing each other.

    British rule certainly wasn't perfect but to compare Churchill with Hitler is pure bull shit. But hey some idiots buy in to that stuff
    Actually, not quite. A little known fact about the Indian occupation is that at one stage the country was effectively run by a compliment of a little over 1000 Brits delegating the Empress's authority to native militias where applicable but the major chunk of Indian territory was administered by the traditional nabobs in their historical districts. As long as taxes were paid and no one made a fuss then the Indians were allowed to carry on in much the same way they did before colonial rule. Similarly, the British never fucked with their religious and cultural beliefs except where death was involved and when they did intrude the courts were a useful arbiter accepted by most locals as fair.

    The true unifying mechanism developed by the Brits, and exploited so efficiently by Ghandi in spreading his political message over the breadth of the sub-continent, was of course the railway, a communications system encompassing the country.

    That was the instrument of its unification and independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot
    Probably UK soldiers getting slaughtered at Dunkirk were writing to their MPs; demanding that German cities not be bombed...
    I get your point, I'm just saying an eye for an eye, two wrongs don't make a right is all. My Grandad fought the germans in WW2. He was 17 years old, navy on a a MTB.

    I remember him telling me they came upon a sinking German Battleship, his Captain ordered him to open fire on the enemy soldiers on deck. Grandad told him to get fucked 55...

    Another time they were in port, purging oil into the ocean when there was a fire, the smell of burning flesh on the ocean - his best mate died in his arms.

    War sucks dog turd, at the best of times, just wish we would confine our rage and cruelty to the enemy military - instead of civilians.

    'Are we beasts?' asked Winston Churchill one night in 1943 after watching a film of the bomb damage done to Germany. The question was probably rhetorical: Churchill had authorised the bombing campaign from its puny beginnings in 1940 to the massive Combined Offensive launched with the American air forces in the last two years of war. His language was always intemperate and flowery - 'extermination', 'annihilation' and so on. Did he mean it? Did the British military machine set out deliberately in the Second World War on a path to the genocide of the German people?
    Like I said buddy, Sherman was right "The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." I wish we could all be drinking that pink bubble soda and eating that rainbow stew.

    But there are some evil people in the world and they will stomp the hell out of appeasers

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