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    EU escalates 'visa war' with US with Americans set to lose visa-free travel to Europe

    Americans should be forced to apply for visas to travel to Europe, the European Parliament has said, in response to Washington refusing to allow all Europeans to travel to the States visa-free.

    The vote by show of hands is the latest in the ongoing “visa war” between Brussels and the US capital, which now looks set to come to a head after MEPs today agreed that US nationals crossing the Atlantic should require additional travel documents as long as citizens from five EU countries (Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania) are kept from entering America without a visa. A European Parliament source told Telegraph Travel this was a “serious negative step in the EU-USA visa war”.

    The EU Commission now has two months to reintroduce visas for Americans wishing to travel to Europe, after MEPs agreed the EU is now “legally obliged” to suspend the Visa Waiver Programme (VWP) with the US for a year after the US administration failed to meet a deadline to respond something called visa reciprocity. Parliament and the European Council will have the chance to object to anything put forward by the Commission.

    The need to apply for a visa to travel to a country is widely seen as a turn-off to potential visitors, given the extra cost and time an application requires. A country looking to boost its tourism industry will often look at loosening any existing visa requirements.

    The resolution was passed despite warnings from the European Travel Commission (ETC) of the damage a visa war with the US might have on the continent’s tourism industry.

    “We fully understand and respect the visa waiver reciprocity mechanism embedded in European legislation to ensure that all nationals of Member States part of Schengen can benefit on equal terms from exemption of visa requirement,” said Eduardo Santander, executive director of the ETC, in a joint letter with Michael de Blust, secretariat of the Network for the European Private Sector in Tourism, to MEPs.

    “However, we are very concerned about the economic and political impact of a suspension of visa waiver for US nationals.

    “Making it more difficult for US citizens to travel to Europe would certainly deprive the European travel and tourism sector of essential revenue, and put thousands of European jobs at stake in one of the few sectors which experiences a strong growth in employment.”

    It was in April 2014 the European Commission was first made aware that the US - along with Australia, Brunei, Canada and Japan - was failing to ensure the same visa waiver rights for its citizens that Europe offered in return. The Commission then gave the countries a deadline of two years before retaliating. Since, Australia, Brunei and Japan have all lifted their visa requirements, with Canada set to do the same by the end of the year, but the US has failed to act.

    There has not yet been a response to today’s vote from the US but the State Department’s Bureau of Consular Affairs has said in the past that Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania do not yet meet security requirements for the US VWP.

    Some 30 million American tourists visit Europe each year, spending more than $54billion (£44bn).

    István Ujhelyi, MEP and chair of the Tourism Task Force, said: “The effect of terrorism in Europe in recent years emphasised how fragile our appeal is as a destination in long-haul markets.

    “This is not a time to put unnecessary obstacles in the way of one of the sectors most capable of generating employment.”

    Most British nationals do not require a visa to enter the US, but must apply for an ESTA that costs $14 (£11.50) if arriving by air.
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    EU Parliament Seeks To Reinstate Visas For American Travelers

    Saying that the U.S. still requires citizens of five EU member nations to obtain an entry visa, the European Union's Parliament approved a measure on Thursday calling for the EU Commission to urge full visa reciprocity — and reinstate visa requirements for Americans who want to visit Europe.

    The U.S. currently requires citizens of Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Poland and Romania to obtain visas before visiting. The EU Parliament's move sets a two-month deadline for the EU Commission to act if the U.S. doesn't change its policy — but the Commission says it may not respond until this summer, according to Reuters.

    If it is reintroduced, the visa requirement would be temporary, the EU says.

    The EU resolution cites rules requiring the organization's executive body to take action against any nations that haven't offered full visa reciprocity. The rules set a two-year warning period before action is taken — and because the initial warning to the U.S. went out in April 2014, it expired last year.

    The U.S. was warned along with Canada, Australia, Brunei and Japan.

    "Australia, Brunei and Japan have since lifted their visa requirements for all EU citizens and Canada will do so in December this year," the EU resolution states.

    Visitors who enter the U.S. under its Visa Waiver Program must still be approved by ESTA — the Electronic System for Travel Authorization.

    As the U.S. State Department says, "ESTA is the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Customs and Border Protection's (CBP) automated web-based system to determine eligibility to travel without a visa to the United States for tourism or business."
    EU Parliament Seeks To Reinstate Visas For American Travelers : The Two-Way : NPR

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    This is the type of stupidity that will break up the EU, you have got millions of illegal immigrants wondering around, without passports.

    Then you penalize a group that comes as paying tourists, with passports and put the cost on people working in the tourist industry.

    Makes no economic sense and willing to bet that people who's income comes from tourism, say in France will be voting accordingly.

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    Fuck 'em, the only way to educate a septic like Trump and his nazi redneck trash is to reciprocate behaviour. Your implied assertion that immigrants fleeing adversity travelling to Europe are somehow generically inferior to fat arsed, gormless, septic rubber nicking tourists from fucking Shitkickersville USA is typical of the prejudice and bigotry infecting US society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Fuck 'em, the only way to educate a septic like Trump and his nazi redneck trash is to reciprocate behaviour. Your implied assertion that immigrants fleeing adversity travelling to Europe are somehow generically inferior to fat arsed, gormless, septic rubber nicking tourists from fucking Shitkickersville USA is typical of the prejudice and bigotry infecting US society.
    Don't go opening a hotel etc, if you would rather a welfare seeking Pakistan staying for free then a fat arsed yank paying dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Fuck 'em, the only way to educate a septic like Trump and his nazi redneck trash is to reciprocate behaviour.
    This is not in retaliation for anything Trump's done.
    This started 2 years ago.

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    So US has excluded ~20% of EU member countries from getting a visa-free entry, EU should counter with rejecting the visa-free entry by citizens from Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma. and Georgia.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    This is the type of stupidity that will break up the EU, you have got millions of illegal immigrants wondering around, without passports.
    Those without passports are not likely to be travelling to the US

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    Look I like Americans that I have met, okay mostly outside the U.S.A. on holiday or working, and from what they tell me is that most Americans don't have passports, as they are lucky to get 2 weeks annual leave, which they use to holiday on their own continent.
    Therefore this will only effect a small percentage of the U.S population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Fuck 'em, the only way to educate a septic like Trump and his nazi redneck trash is to reciprocate behaviour. Your implied assertion that immigrants fleeing adversity travelling to Europe are somehow generically inferior to fat arsed, gormless, septic rubber nicking tourists from fucking Shitkickersville USA is typical of the prejudice and bigotry infecting US society.
    You would only last about 2 seconds if you ever visted the US with that attitude seekingass. Hope you never do, or need to. You really are a dipshit aren't you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    Look I like Americans that I have met, okay mostly outside the U.S.A. on holiday or working, and from what they tell me is that most Americans don't have passports, as they are lucky to get 2 weeks annual leave, which they use to holiday on their own continent.
    Therefore this will only effect a small percentage of the U.S population.
    Mercifully, you are correct and the rest of the world is spared from having vast numbers of American tourists. We should all go down our knees and give thanks to God for this. Americans are lovely as long as they stay in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    Look I like Americans that I have met, okay mostly outside the U.S.A. on holiday or working, and from what they tell me is that most Americans don't have passports, as they are lucky to get 2 weeks annual leave, which they use to holiday on their own continent.
    Therefore this will only effect a small percentage of the U.S population.
    2 weeks paid leave, yeah sometimes 3. Depends. But that does not include holidays like Christmas, new year, thanksgiving, 4th, etc... Its 2 weeks on top of that, taken at the employees discretion.

    And a lot of people from the UK and the rest of Europe can not fathom the hugeness and variety available to Americans in their own country. The English don't even realize how small they are by comparison. Leaving England, or the UK as a whole, is like leaving a state to us. There is rarely an activity that cant be done in the us, easily available to its own population. There is rarely an activity that one would need to leave the US to partake in. Visiting other countries and cultures and all that is good, but we don't need to do that for a holiday. If its cold in the north and snowing, go south.

    People do like to travel though and this little gem illustrates that while compared to our overall population, its not much, but compared to seekingass's home country, its a shitload. Literally half of the population of the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Some 30 million American tourists visit Europe each year, spending more than $54billion (£44bn).
    Its true a lot of Americans don't have a passport but its not due to the time off available, more to do with having shit available to us already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Fuck 'em, the only way to educate a septic like Trump and his nazi redneck trash is to reciprocate behaviour. Your implied assertion that immigrants fleeing adversity travelling to Europe are somehow generically inferior to fat arsed, gormless, septic rubber nicking tourists from fucking Shitkickersville USA is typical of the prejudice and bigotry infecting US society.
    This is a prime example of the little England mentality that permeates not only Thailand, but any other place that these toothless idiots frequent. A clear anger and rage and hate towards Americans, while crying & wailing of prejudice and bigotry. The literal definition of hypocrisy.

    Spittle-laden trash-talk from a toothless alcoholic triggered by a lifetime of being shit on by Americans who took over the little remaining glimmer of the British empire whilst simultaneously saving their ass from the Nazis, having to watch movie after movie of Americans saving the day and American flags flying high, nationalistic pride of a strong, but socially flawed country whose non-military armed population by itself could beat the last remaining specks of britain right out of their asses and once complete, would make us breakfast in the morning and thank us for it.

    We would promptly re-name this meal to "The Full American" with every piece of toast made in our new country emblazoned with an american flag.

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    Thanks Slick. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunk View Post
    Thanks Slick. I couldn't have said it better myself.
    Obviously because you are clearly yet another thick American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    Look I like Americans that I have met, okay mostly outside the U.S.A. on holiday or working, and from what they tell me is that most Americans don't have passports, as they are lucky to get 2 weeks annual leave, which they use to holiday on their own continent.
    Therefore this will only effect a small percentage of the U.S population.

    And a lot of people from the UK and the rest of Europe can not fathom the hugeness and variety available to Americans in their own country. The English don't even realize how small they are by comparison. Leaving England, or the UK as a whole, is like leaving a state to us.
    That is so true.It's like 50 different cuntries

    Each one of them is different. If you remember Friscoefrankie (One of the best posters here and a yank that new how to drink... ) He had done all 50 states before he traveled out of the country. No mean feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post

    Spittle-laden trash-talk from a toothless alcoholic triggered by a lifetime of being shit on by Americans who took over the little remaining glimmer of the British empire whilst simultaneously saving their ass from the Nazis, having to watch movie after movie of Americans saving the day and American flags flying high, nationalistic pride of a strong, but socially flawed country whose non-military armed population by itself could beat the last remaining specks of britain right out of their asses and once complete, would make us breakfast in the morning and thank us for it.
    Can't get away with that one, Slick.The yanks wouldn't be in the war if it wasn't for pearl harbour...and the Ruskies had a lot to do with saving the Commonwealth.

    I digress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    this will only effect a small percentage of the U.S population
    Mainly business travellers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Americans who took over the little remaining glimmer of the British empire whilst simultaneously saving their ass from the Nazis
    We can thank the Russians for that, actually. We can thank America for protecting western Europe against potential Communist expansionism.

    Anyway, nice little bigoted rant slickster, which reinforces general ideas about the collective trumpite ignorance, and illustrates exactly why the EU needs to adopt a policy of reciprocity towards this narrowminded bigotry. Both parties will be losers, incidentally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    We can thank the Russians for that, actually.


    Riiiiiiiiiiight

    Yeah there was an alliance with Russia (huge, yes, and critical to how it played out in the end) because of the Germans but they were sharks with blood in the water once the threat was weakened.

    No doubt they were critical in the end, but to claim that 'it was Russia' that saved the day is downright laughable

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Anyway, nice little bigoted rant slickster, which reinforces general ideas about the collective trumpite ignorance, and illustrates exactly why the EU needs to adopt a policy of reciprocity towards this narrowminded bigotry. Both parties will be losers, incidentally.
    Anyway, it was a troll aimed at seekingass ya dummy

    I should've added:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Digby Fantona
    Obviously because you are clearly yet another thick American.
    You guys just hate it don't ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    No doubt they were critical in the end, but to claim that 'it was Russia' that saved the day is downright laughable
    Twenty million dead Russians would surely disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel
    Twenty million dead Russians would surely disagree with you.
    Doesn't mean they saved the day. They were critical on the Eastern Front, protecting mainly their own interests because it suited them at the time to fuck off the Germans, gambling on a power vacuum and land grab if they could, witch they did. Dont forget, Stalin allied with Hitler first, then turned coat when Hitler decided to invade the soviet union.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Doesn't mean they saved the day.
    And neither did America. It was a coalition effort, but America needs to feed their school children an alternative truth to keep their military loud and proud, so I forgive your ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel
    And neither did America. It was a coalition effort, but America needs to feed their school children an alternative truth to keep their military loud and proud, so I forgive your ignorance.
    Dont need your forgiveness.

    Its amusing to me, always has been, that some of the English are soo willing to fuck off anything to do with the Americans, even go so far as to claim that "We didnt need you" and "We had it" and "Thank the Russians, Not the Americans"

    When the end of the day, without the US, they would most likely be speaking german right now.

    Same thing can be said about the Soviet Union, without them, they wouldn't even have a single speck of Britain left.

    I guess they should thank the Japanese for deciding to go full retard and bomb pearl harbor too.

    All the boasting and bullshit they come up with, but the end of the day, the only reason they exist in their current form is because of someone else.

    But OH NO, nope, they had it alright.

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    ^ These guys love to hate America almost as much as they love to hate Pattaya. That's ok I know it's not bad. Can't imagine to many places that would have given me the opportunities that I've had.

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    The awful, inconvenient truth for most septics is that in the main their citizens are similar to Russians but perhaps less sophisticated and, certainly with regard to the denizens of the southern and mid-west states, much less intelligent.

    The notion that the US saved the free world by vanquishing the Nazis is quite amusing but perhaps insightful of their predilection for spouting bombastic, brash and bovinely stupid gibberish.

    Half the american divisions in the European theatre did not enter the conflict until 1945 but in terms of numerical strength the Nazis fielded up to 180 divisions on the Eastern front at their peak in 1942 whereas the Western front was garrisoned by 60 or so at most.

    More Russians died in Leningrad in three years than the entire war dead of the US and Britain combined.

    Americans are of course a mere mongrel race but ironically would not be the strength it is were it not for the Teutonic nazi gene embedded in its confused DNA.

    Sieg Heil Feld Generals Swartzkopf und Rumsfeld!

    Har, har.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    More Russians died in Leningrad in three years than the entire war dead of the US and Britain combined.
    True, but without the Soviet Union and the United States combined, you wouldn't exist today in your current form, and judging by your posts of late, that would probably be an improvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
    Americans are of course a mere mongrel race
    That you lost in what? 1776 or whatever? Must be a bitch knowing what you 'could have been' several times over if it wasn't for the empires shit rule and sleeping society of alcoholics

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