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    Grandmother Married to a Brit for 27 years to be deported.

    Grandmother, 52, who has been married to a British man for almost 30 years after arriving in the UK in 1988 faces being deported back to Singapore


    By SIMON HOLMES FOR MAILONLINE


    PUBLISHED: 19:49 +11:00, 4 February 2017 | UPDATED: 19:49 +11:00, 4 February 2017



    A woman who has been married to a British man for almost 30 years is being held in a Scottish detention centre and is set to be deported back to her home country.

    Irene Clennel, who lives in Ouston, near Chester-le-Street, in County Durham, was detained at a routine appointment at an immigration reporting centre in Middlesbrough last month.

    She has been told she will be removed from the UK and sent back to Singapore.

    But Mrs Clennel, who first came to the UK in 1988, has built a life in England and has a husband, two sons and a baby granddaughter.

    In 2016, Mrs Clennel was told by Home Office officials to prepare to fly almost 7,000 miles away from her family and friends as she did not have a flight booked to go home.

    Speaking to reporters last year Mrs Clennel said the prospect of being sent back to her country of her birth is 'frightening.'

    She said: 'It happened so quickly. I was driven (here) feeling like some kind of criminal.'

    'I have got no family in Singapore and I have no property in Singapore. My parents are dead. My only family is a sister, and she is working in India. My husband is British. I do not see why I cannot stay.

    'I understand not everyone can come into the UK and stay, but surely I should be treated differently. I hope common sense will win, but I'm frightened.'

    Mrs Clennell, who does not claim state benefits and is not allowed to work, is supported by her husband, John, 50, who is a gas engineer but is in poor health.


    John is currently in poor health and unable to work
    Irene and John Clennel, on their wedding day (left) and John (right). He is currently in poor health and unable to work

    He has had a bypass operation following a blockage in his arteries, as well as treatment for a hernia, and relies on his wife of 27 years for support while he recovers.

    The pair have two grown up children and have spent almost 25 years living between the UK and Singapore.

    They returned to Singapore for several periods in that times as both her parents were diagnosed with cancer and work commitments.

    Mrs Clennel says she has spent over 2,000 on applications to remain in the country as a resident and was granted the right to stay in 2008 however renewal applications have since been refused.


    The Clennel's have two grown up children, born in the UK, and a granddaughter

    Speaking in November after Mrs Clennel's latest application was refused, her husband said: 'It is mental torture, because of the stress. Both of her kids were born here. They are British citizens and she is the biological mother.

    'I cannot see any reason why she cannot stay. I have paid more than enough taxes. She has a lot of friends here.'

    A Home Office spokesman said: 'All applications for leave to remain in the UK are considered on their individual merits and in line with the immigration rules.'


    Grandmother married to Briton for 27 years to be deported | Daily Mail Online

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    Daily Mail: They returned to Singapore for several periods in that times as both her parents were diagnosed with cancer and work commitments.
    A sickening double blow.

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    Tough one that. He's obviously got nothing put away and will rely on the state for handouts. She can't work so obviously, indirectly, the state are supporting her as well.

    Funny, but everyone seems to accept here that if you want to stay in a country that isn't yours, you're expected to pay your own way, but doubtless there will be some that think the UK taxpayer should weigh in for her.

    As someone commented, how come in 27 years she has not applied or qualified for citizenship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Tough one that. He's obviously got nothing put away and will rely on the state for handouts. She can't work so obviously, indirectly, the state are supporting her as well.

    Funny, but everyone seems to accept here that if you want to stay in a country that isn't yours, you're expected to pay your own way, but doubtless there will be some that think the UK taxpayer should weigh in for her.
    One has, her husband. Why do you think a pension somebody has paid into all their life is a 'handout"? When you withdraw money from the bank do you think it's a gift from the manager?
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    As someone commented, how come in 27 years she has not applied or qualified for citizenship?
    Indeed. More to this than meets the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    As someone commented, how come in 27 years she has not applied or qualified for citizenship?
    Indeed. More to this than meets the eye.
    Am I the only person here to actually try to find out what happened? It took all of 30 seconds to find this.
    Irene Clennel has two British sons and a granddaughter. She lives with her husband John in County Durham and was detained during a routine appointment at an immigration reporting centre in Middlesbrough despite having been given indefinite leave to remain in the UK after her marriage.

    Clennel returned to Singapore to care for her elderly for a period, which resulted in her UK citizen status being invalidated.

    She said she has made repeated attempts in Singapore and in the UK to re-apply for permission to remain living with her husband, who is in poor health and requires care.

    She said: “My granddaughter – I want to see her grow up, and my husband is not getting any better. I want to be with my family. If I do go back, I don’t know when I’ll be able to see them again.”
    There's nothing mysterious going on, she fell foul of Home Office rules designed to keep down the number of immigrants. She'll be allowed to stay in the end.
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    From this and other recent cases of spouses being told they should make arrangements to leave, the impression is that the home office is chasing a quota for deportations. However instead of chasing illegal immigrants they've decided to target people who have applied for permanent residence but whose application has some issue.

    Basically they are scum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b
    Am I the only person here to actually try to find out what happened?

    Yup.

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    To be deported whilst having indefinite leave to remain in the UK she must have done something criminally wrong IMO. I can't find where it says if you stay out of the UK too long your right to remain is revoked. A criminal act seems to be the norm as far as I can find. I may well be wrong.
    She claims it is cuz she spent too much time out of the country looking after her sick folks in Singapore. What does Immigration know that we aren't being told?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    To be deported whilst having indefinite leave to remain in the UK she must have done something criminally wrong IMO. I can't find where it says if you stay out of the UK too long your right to remain is revoked. A criminal act seems to be the norm as far as I can find. I may well be wrong.
    You are wrong and your search skills suck ass.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ve_October.pdf

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    Yep that was the doc I read. Don't tell me I misread it. I'll admit I'm not perfict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Yep that was the doc I read. Don't tell me I misread it. I'll admit I'm not perfict.
    Section 1.2, last line.

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    So she has 2 sons, a sick husband and a granddaughter in the UK but goes back to look after her parents for over 2 years without popping back for a visit in that time. Doing that would have kept her right to remain visa. You're/she's havin a laugh. As an alien I'm sure she knew the rule.

    Edit: I wonder how long she actually went back for beyond the 2 year period. If that's what she's being deported for?

    The happy couple.

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    ^ The picture was taken 1 day ago. I thought she was in a detention center in Scotland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Tough one that. He's obviously got nothing put away and will rely on the state for handouts. She can't work so obviously, indirectly, the state are supporting her as well.

    Funny, but everyone seems to accept here that if you want to stay in a country that isn't yours, you're expected to pay your own way, but doubtless there will be some that think the UK taxpayer should weigh in for her.
    One has, her husband. Why do you think a pension somebody has paid into all their life is a 'handout"? When you withdraw money from the bank do you think it's a gift from the manager?
    What pension? He's 50 you dickhead.

    Although granted he looks about 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Tough one that. He's obviously got nothing put away and will rely on the state for handouts. She can't work so obviously, indirectly, the state are supporting her as well.

    Funny, but everyone seems to accept here that if you want to stay in a country that isn't yours, you're expected to pay your own way, but doubtless there will be some that think the UK taxpayer should weigh in for her.
    One has, her husband. Why do you think a pension somebody has paid into all their life is a 'handout"? When you withdraw money from the bank do you think it's a gift from the manager?
    What pension? He's 50 you dickhead.

    Although granted he looks about 70.
    He's been working and paying ni all his life, you fuckwit. Do you know what that's for? Handouts my arse.

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    It kind of sounds like she needs to gain residence via her husbands circumstance as it is today, not whenever she first went to the UK.

    That being the case, as I understand it (and I'm sure somebody will correct me if not so), there is a minimum income requirement of circa GBP18,000 p.a. to bring a spouse/dependent into the UK (and this not from state sourced social security benefits).

    Given his disability, one can assume that he's in receipt of benefits, and as such they don't count towards the qualifying criteria she would need. Si? No?

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    How much money will get wasted going round and round ? He's paid his dues, she has spent much of her life in the UK legally, married to him, had his children etc. Show some intelligence and grant the permission. Or deport her and pay someone else to care for him and feel smug in the immigration dept...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower View Post
    How much money will get wasted going round and round ? He's paid his dues, she has spent much of her life in the UK legally, married to him, had his children etc. Show some intelligence and grant the permission. Or deport her and pay someone else to care for him and feel smug in the immigration dept...
    Unfortunately, I believe that the UK's immigration policy has become so stringent, the ability to grant rights on a emotional premise has become almost impossible.

    And quite rightly so. How many hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands could claim similar circumstances? No.

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    How come militant ragheads, swivel eyed eastern european axe murderers and illegal immigrant child rapists manage to easily overturn deportation orders on some spurious claim or other but this old biddy who has probably never harmed a soul in her life is being kicked out. Surely someone will help her fight this ridiculous decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAG View Post

    Unfortunately, I believe that the UK's immigration policy has become so stringent, the ability to grant rights on a emotional premise has become almost impossible.

    And quite rightly so. How many hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands could claim similar circumstances? No.
    Hardly just an "emotional premise" her husband is a British passport holder as are their children.

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    Thanks to this woman's plight it has drawn attention to this condition of the right to live in the U.K. on an Indefinite leave to remain visa.leave the U.K. and stay away longer than 2 years the visa becomes void.
    This is very important to remember.
    I know of a few Farang who's Thai wives have fallen foul of this, and they are stuck in Thailand.
    They knew the rules and in a laxadasical attitude ignored it.
    I will give you one example I know , a husband could not wait until he was 65 to receive his pension and retire to a new house he had purchased in Southern Thailand. The usual attitude that he was never going to live back in the U.K.
    No problem there, they are still living in Thailand together, but the problem is that he does come back every summer to see his Farang grandchildren from his first marriage.
    His Thai Wife cannot come with him unless he can get her a tourist visa, as the old Indefinite is now invalid due to her being absent from the U.K.
    Trouble is to get a new visa your current circumstances are vital, not the past is taken into account.
    Income. Wife has no income, prove that you will return to Thailand, sure after she had lived in the U.K for more than 6 years with her husband, would she return back to Thailand.?
    She can't even get back for a holiday.

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    The draconian and inflexible immigration policy that is implemented these days, with no meaningful right of appeal, is as a direct result of that cvunt May's nasty, meanminded, cruel and vindictive amendment to the settlement rules introduced in 2012. It also paved the way for a new tariff of fees payable that are the highest in the developed world and are nothing more than a pretext for extortion. Additionally, the process by which one obtains indefinite leave to remain has been extended to 5 years and costs, in addition to fees arising from language certification and NHS deposit, around 6000. If there are children not British then one is looking at 10000.
    Failure to comply with any arbitrary demand deemed fit by the Home Office may result in refusal or an extension of the process by a further two years. Errors and flawed decisions by the Home Office cannot be challenged easily and complaints are ignored routinely and as a matter of policy.

    British nationals who have the effrontery to marry a foreigner have no rights conferred through their citizenship whatsoever. In many other more civilised countries a citizen is deemed to have certain constitutional rights in regard to settlement of their spouse irrespective of their nationality, but not in shitheel Britain which treats them as mere chattels to be fuxked over and made subject to repeated extortion.

    May of course is a raddled, barren, geriatric bitch incapable of procreation and this disability has plainly crippled her psyche to a degree whereby she cannot express any normal feelings and in many respects is no more than a higher functioning psychopath with a predilection for clinical dissection of any problem unhampered by human empathy. In short, she is a vile and cruel, dried up husk of a woman devoid of any genuine humanity.

    I sincerely hope she contracts some ghastly wasting disease and shrivels to death. Preferably by the summer.

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    They can challenge the ruling using article 8 of family law.

    No way is he 50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower
    she has spent much of her life in the UK legally
    You've read a heart bleed story in the newspapers and have accepted that as fact. Obviously she's gone through all the deportation appeals and lost. To me this isn't the full story as to her offence, reason for deportation. Immigration refuse to comment on the case. Until they do we'll never know the full SP.

    Edit: We do not know how long, in total unbroken, she has lived in the UK. Okay she's been married 27 years but not necessarily living in the UK all that time,
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