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    Thousands of gay men pardoned for past convictions

    Thousands of gay and bisexual men found guilty of decades-old sexual offences in England and Wales have been posthumously pardoned.

    The enactment by the government of the so-called Alan Turing law means about 49,000 men will be cleared of crimes of which they would be innocent today.

    Wartime code-breaker Mr Turing was pardoned in 2013 for gross indecency.

    Statutory pardons will also be granted to people still living who apply to have their convictions removed.

    The pardons were first announced last year and have now been officially rubber-stamped after the Policing and Crime Bill received Royal Assent.

    The men were found guilty of committing now-abolished offences while in consensual relationships.

    Justice minister Sam Gyimah said it was a "truly momentous day".

    He said: "We can never undo the hurt caused, but we have apologised and taken action to right these wrongs."

    Mathematician Mr Turing was given a royal pardon in 2013, nearly 60 years after his suicide in 1954.

    'Important milestone'

    The pardon addressed his 1952 conviction for gross indecency, after which he was chemically castrated.

    This followed an official apology by former Prime Minister Gordon Brown in 2009 for how Mr Turing had been treated.

    His relatives later mounted a high-profile campaign to secure pardons for other men similarly convicted under historical indecency laws.

    Gay rights charity Stonewall said: "Another important milestone of equality has been secured in law.

    "The more equality is enshrined into our law books, the stronger our equality becomes, and the stronger we as a community become."

    Liberal Democrat peer Lord Sharkey, whose amendment to the Policing and Crime Bill was instrumental in securing the change, said it was a "wonderful thing" that Mr Turing's pardon could be extended to other men "unjustly convicted".

    'Grave injustices'

    Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said: "Although it comes too late for those convicted, the friends and relatives of the thousands of people who suffered under this unfair and discriminatory law will now have a weight lifted off their shoulders."

    Rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said the pardon was an "important, valuable advance that will remedy the grave injustices suffered by many of the estimated 50,000 to 100,000 men who were convicted under discriminatory anti-gay laws".

    But he said it was "unclear" whether only the relatives of a deceased man could apply for a pardon on their behalf.

    "Many convicted men were rejected and disowned by their families," he said.

    "The government should make it clear that any concerned person, including personal friends, can apply for a pardon for a deceased person."

    Thousands of gay men pardoned for past convictions - BBC News

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    Posthumously pardoned...Sigh...

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    Blue will be delighted to hear this.

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    If they have been pardoned, it means they must have been falsely accused.

    Will their accusers now be prosecuted?

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    Oscar Wilde will write yet another Tome from his grave.

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    It seems like a strange legal precedent to set. When laws are repealed should prior convictions generally be annulled? If so how far back in time?

    Not having a go at gays. Their legal persecution was unfair by modern enlightened standards but social mores and the law are by definition perpetually works in progress so there will inevitably be cases where historical legal treatment seems unfair by modern standards. Is there any other example of a law being repealed and then all prior convictions also being granted a pardon?

    It could also open a can of worms for potential for claims for compensation unless the pardons specifically preclude such action, and even if they do it does not prevent a class action case being mounted to contest the preclusion.

    Perhaps some other legal instrument than a pardon (where this new instrument would inherently preclude compensation) could be instituted to deal with acknowledging that past criminal convictions are unfair by current standards. Just to differentiate between those cases and cases where an individual is being pardoned of a crime based on new evidence or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    If they have been pardoned, it means they must have been falsely accused.
    Not it doesn't, you dick.

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    Pardoned posthumously...Like "Your sins have been forgiven?"...

    One must always consider "the times," I suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Blue will be delighted to hear this.
    He can hold his head high without a stain on his character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    If they have been pardoned, it means they must have been falsely accused.

    Will their accusers now be prosecuted?
    How do you work that out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    Thousands of gay and bisexual men found guilty of decades-old sexual offences in England and Wales have been posthumously pardoned.
    That's nice. Now, how about an apology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    Thousands of gay and bisexual men found guilty of decades-old sexual offences in England and Wales have been posthumously pardoned.
    That's nice. Now, how about an apology?
    No need for an apology, they were guilty under the laws of that time.

    They should, however, say thank you, just to be polite.

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    The laws of that time were unjust and put in place by the self-righteous and ignorant: an apology for their sanctimonious and hypocritical legislation is only right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    The laws of that time were unjust and put in place by the self-righteous and ignorant: an apology for their sanctimonious and hypocritical legislation is only right...
    I would never apologise for the actions of others unless I actually was in a position to do something about it and didn't.

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    ^the legislative descendants of the institution need to do penance for their anti-social sin: presumably, you were not a member of that Parliament and are, therefore, off the hook..PM May, however, needs to tear herself away from Brexit noise and offer a quiet apology...it's only right.
    Majestically enthroned amid the vulgar herd

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    I'm still not clear on how these things were unearthed. Two lads left the curtains open, which allowed eye witnesses? Incriminating moaning through the walls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanMan
    I'm still not clear on how these things were unearthed.
    Nothing unusual: rumor, innuendo, gossip...not every gay had a George Michael moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ^the legislative descendants of the institution need to do penance for their anti-social sin: presumably, you were not a member of that Parliament and are, therefore, off the hook..PM May, however, needs to tear herself away from Brexit noise and offer a quiet apology...it's only right.
    It's only right in your mind.

    No-one else gives a fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    No-one else gives a fuck.
    yet, the pardon was issued...someone, somewhere, at some level...must have given a fuck...

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    How long before society moves further towards Political Correctness and paedophiles and cannibals are pardoned?

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    ^ probably just after bigots and hypocrites

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    No-one else gives a fuck.
    yet, the pardon was issued...someone, somewhere, at some level...must have given a fuck...
    I think they just wanted them to STFU, but expecting them to take the blame... naaah fuck off with that.

    So Queen Victoria liked lezzers.... just the way it was at the time.

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    So does this mean the faggots who are still alive will be suing the government (meang taxpayers) for their alleged mistreatment?

    I thought they should have cut Turing some slack just in gratitude for all he had done for Britain during the war. Sad that no one in a position to do so intervened quietly on his behalf.

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    It's about people being cleäred of 'crimes' which would not be crimes today.

    Presumably the lack of an apology is with future legal action in mind: an apology might be construed as an admission of culpability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille
    an apology might be construed as an admission of culpability.
    ...as it should be, though I'm not an advocate of reparations: just an apology for the ignorance, stupidity and narrow-mindedness of society's ancestors...then the matter may be put to rest while the blacks have a go...

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