Thread: Obama commutes Chelsea Manning sentence

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Don't bother. It's like arguing with your goldfish.

in my book, you are the gold fish.

You would kill women and children if asked to by following your military logic. You are what we call an "ordinary" authoritarian, like it is for most who join the military or follow a religious cult

nothing wrong with that, like police force and firefighters, you are what we call a "useful gold fish"

I was in the Army for three years - fifty years ago, you Flemish faggot.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Still getting all your info from fake news sites I see

I am still waiting for you to post up credible links to back your views. It is a simple request what are you afraid of?

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^Don't bother. It's like arguing with your goldfish.

in my book, you are the gold fish.

You would kill women and children if asked to by following your military logic. You are what we call an "ordinary" authoritarian, like it is for most who join the military or follow a religious cult

nothing wrong with that, like police force and firefighters, you are what we call a "useful gold fish"

I was in the Army for three years - fifty years ago, you Flemish faggot.

right, and you still believe in military fairy tales

the army did a good job on you, and please stay the gold fish that you are, you are much needed like that

Originally Posted by Norton

If I had power to pardon I would have let Petreaus out.

Except he's not in. A misdemeanor conviction and two years of meaningless probation which ends in a few months.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Except he's not in. A misdemeanor conviction and two years of meaningless probation which ends in a few months.

True. Bad choice of words on my part. Perhaps end his probation if I had the power.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Except he's not in. A misdemeanor conviction and two years of meaningless probation which ends in a few months.

True. Bad choice of words on my part. Perhaps end his probation if I had the power.

I suspect he'd just as soon let it run its course rather than get caught up in another media circus. It's had no impact on his life at all (the probation) other than making some phone calls to his probation officer.

^Sure you're right.

Originally Posted by Norton

Fair nuff but he pardoned Gen James "Hoss" Cartwright too. Where is the outrage?

I don't know anythng about Gen James "Hoss" Cartwright. Maybe that pardon is worthy of enquiry also. Maybe start a thread about it.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

because you need evidence to make your case

What is your case about? If it is about a specific crime then make the case about that crime only and don't put your comrades and fellow citizens lives at risk by divulging non-relevant intelligence.

This is not really about justice though. It is about self-aggrandisation. These are self-serving individuals who see an easy short-cut to fame and immortalisation by funnelling all the stolen intelligence they have to the headline grabbing 'wikileaks' empire.

Other prospective potential traitors need to be shown by example that this choice has a net-negative individual benefit through exemplary long-term (and non-commutable) incarceration.

Originally Posted by Looper

These are self-serving individuals who see an easy short-cut to fame and immortalisation by funnelling all the stolen intelligence they have to the headline grabbing 'wikileaks' empire.

that may be right, and you are making a valid point about their true motivations, but the truth remains that it had exposed certain illegal practices by US personel and thanks to this, people knows and question with tougher standard their government and its military. The public knows.

so the result is good, and that's all that matters, the result of this action.

alternatively you could go to the disciplined route of Nazi Germany and just find out decades later what happened and pretend you didn't know, or didn't want to know. I think collectivitely it's more just to be aware immediately of what's going on rather waiting for decades for the truth to come out.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so the result is good, and that's all that matters, the result of this action.

Not a good result when so much non-relevant collateral intelligence is leaked unnecessarily. Not a good result when traitors get to cloak their cynical self-promotion in faux-self-righteousness. Not a good result when traitors get granted unconditional sainthood by the media and Hollywood. And worst of all - not a good result when the president decides to send a message to young intelligence officers that enormously damaging treachery will be forgiven.

All this outrage notwithstanding, let's not forget the young thing is dealing with gender dysphoria. How many posters here, I wonder, would be able to focus on patriotic activities wondering if the wig is askew, the glitter is too much for the office or the falsies are parallel. I'm also sure he was disappointed that, at age 12 and despite letters to Santa, there was no period to mop up.

To really know a person, walk a mile in her treasonous pumps.

^This is the question I originally raised.

If it turns out that her sentence has been commuted out of some kind of sympathy/pity for her confusion over her sexual identity then I think this maybe the biggest face-palm moment of the Obama presidency, which is why I think some kind of explanation would be appropriate in this case.

Originally Posted by Looper

If it turns out that her sentence has been commuted out of some kind of sympathy/pity for her confusion over her sexual identity

We will never know...ever. I'm comfortable with that.

What prison is he in - male or female ?
Has he had any operations on himself, to make him look nominally female, or is he just at the transvestite stage of his homosexuality ?

The army has been providing her with gender transition hormone treatment therapy and has now agreed to provide her with gender reassignment surgery.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Looper

So why has her sentence been commuted?

Obama pardon or commuted 254 folks. Why not ask why the other 253 were pardoned?

Then again hardly the catchy breaking news headline cummuting a transgender traitor.

Interesting, the 254 others are still of special interest to the media for one thing only, they are just waiting for one of them to reoffend, and the odds are that at least one will reoffend, and then the press will get mad and rant and rave that Obama released a psycho serial killer back into the community.
Then one day we can watch it on a crime documentary on YouTube

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

He's already twice attempted suicide.

Originally Posted by ENT

will be freed on 17 May instead of her scheduled 2045 release.

If I was looking at being in jail until 2045, I'd try to end it all.

Ed Snowden needs to be pardoned.

^ by who?

Originally Posted by UrbanMan

Ed Snowden needs to be flayed alive and then publicly disembowelled and his bespectacled head placed on a spike at traitors gate.

FTFY.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

so the result is good, and that's all that matters, the result of this action.

Not a good result when so much non-relevant collateral intelligence is leaked unnecessarily. Not a good result when traitors get to cloak their cynical self-promotion in faux-self-righteousness. Not a good result when traitors get granted unconditional sainthood by the media and Hollywood. And worst of all - not a good result when the president decides to send a message to young intelligence officers that enormously damaging treachery will be forgiven.

a small inconvenience to pay for the greater truth,

If the U.S.A was going to launch a nuclear warhead at London, and an Intelligence Officer tweeted to Londoners to escape before launching, what would you call that.
Saving lives or collateral damage.

^also I forgot the pineapple. No lube for traitors.

Originally Posted by Looper

The army has been providing her with gender transition hormone treatment therapy and has now agreed to provide her with gender reassignment surgery.

Sounds generous,but why are they paying for him ?

What if he was convinced he was a dog born in a mans body would they install a kennel in his cell and supply him with cans of Pedigree Chum