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Old 08-01-2017, 05:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Three patients die at Worcestershire hospital amid NHS winter crisis

One woman reportedly died of heart attack after waiting 35 hours on trolley in corridor at busy Worcestershire Royal hospital

Extreme pressures facing NHS accident and emergency departments have been thrown into stark relief by the revelation that two patients died after lengthy waits on trolleys in corridors, and a third was found hanged on a ward at the same hospital.

It has been claimed that one woman died of a heart attack after waiting for 35 hours on a trolley at Worcestershire Royal hospital and another man suffered an aneurysm while on a trolley, and could not be saved. It is also alleged that a patient was found hanged on a ward. Worcestershire Acute Hospitals NHS trust confirmed the hospital was under pressure.

The cases emerged after the publication of an analysis that showed the NHS was on the brink of a winter crisis. A larger than expected increase in patient numbers caused a third of hospital trusts in England to warn they needed urgent action to cope.

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Too immigrants in Britain that's why.

The country is full to the brim.

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Too immigrants in Britain that's why.

The country is full to the brim.

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The problem with the NHS is that it exists. The current crisis is as a direct result of the latest doctrine implemented over the past 20 years in which everything is concentrated within one hospital in a region, denuding the counties around it of all its former resources or severely restricting their services.

As one can see, it is working well.

Incidentally, the "trolleys" are not as most understand them to be but are in fact mobile beds offering the same comfort of a fixed bed and the corridors used were apparently within the emergency centres and not simply access corridors to be navigated around the hospital.

Still, the British propensity for hyperbole and melodrama is as it ever was with the British Red Cross spokesman claiming the events in the UK within the NHS represents a "humanitarian crisis".

Silly fucker should get his sorry arse down to any government hospital in Thailand in order he might regain his sense of perspective

One thing about living abroad is the focus it brings to bear upon how most folk in the UK are clueless wankers about pretty much everything that goes on in the wider world. Brexit fodder really and explains it quite well.
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Still, the British propensity for hyperbole and melodrama is as it ever was with the British Red Cross spokesman claiming the events in the UK within the NHS represents a "humanitarian crisis".

Silly fucker should get his sorry arse down to any government hospital in Thailand in order he might regain his sense of perspective.
By the same token perhaps witnessing a genuine humanitarian crisis might help your perspective too.
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The Babyboomers.

Coming en mass soon to a hospital near you.
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Cuts leading to a loss of over 7000 hospital beds in 6 years combined with a lack of places and crippling costs of social care. It should come as no great surprise.
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Well, looks like that 350,000,000 a week that was promised the NHS if Britain left the EU is going to come in handy

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Still, the British propensity for hyperbole and melodrama is as it ever was with the British Red Cross spokesman claiming the events in the UK within the NHS represents a "humanitarian crisis".

Silly fucker should get his sorry arse down to any government hospital in Thailand in order he might regain his sense of perspective.
By the same token perhaps witnessing a genuine humanitarian crisis might help your perspective too.
Have you been to fucking Pontypridd after a lost rugby game on a Saturday night in mid winter???????
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one of the problems with a and e is that there are too many over nannied people who demand attention for the most minor of conditions that are hardly emergencies and would be better managed at pharmacies or by their gp.

the drunks and street fighters that use up a lot of the resources should really just be left on the street to bleed out and choke on their own vomit.
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People die this time of the year, it's winter, it's the way it's always been, get over it.
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Well, looks like that 350,000,000 a week that was promised the NHS if Britain left the EU is going to come in handy
Was it people who have the power to make decisions where money is spent the ones who said that? We have voted to leave but it's the same people/ party in charge bar a little reshuffling of positions.

Anyway go ask Theresa May why she spends circa 12 bill a year on foreign aid when oh look that would be nearly 350 mill a week that could be spent on the NHS.

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Three patients die at Worcestershire hospital amid NHS winter crisis


That's part of the political correct media spiel,
put 'winter crisis' in, so the weather gets the blame rather than mass immigration or incompetence

No ice or snow or flu epidemic in mild uk at the moment.

The sooner that rag The Guardian goes bust the better, they are already begging for donations..

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Shouldn't global warming be saving us from Winter crisis?
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I understand there is to be a new chief executive to run the place, an immigrant I believe, an Australian one. Good luck to him/her hope they get a budget to work with.
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That's what happens when you allow yourselves to become 2nd class citizens in your own country due to excessive immigration. Minorities will become majorities, services will become overloaded... 3rd world decline...

Just leg it to Thailand.. at least you know where you stand there...

In the queue (behind Somchai jnr and his brats) heh...
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The problem with the NHS is that it exists.
I thought that you are Irish? *

Assuming so, and assuming that you are living in Ireland and not GB ... how does the NHS directly affect you?


* Humble apologies if my assumption is incorrect.
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This

Bromsgrove and Redditch Welcomes Refugees, a community group preparing to welcome and support Syrian refugees
Bromsgrove and Redditch Welcomes Refugees held first meeting (From Bromsgrove Advertiser)

and now this
be carefull what you wish for


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109 people wait 12 hours or more on trolleys at Redditch's Alexandra Hospital


WHILE two patients died at Worcester's crisis-hit emergency department more than 100 others waited over 12 hours on trolleys.
The harrowing scale of the winter crisis at Worcestershire Royal Hospital and Redditch's Alexandra Hospital was laid bare at a meeting as one NHS boss described the situation as heart-breaking.
Waits on trolleys at Worcester have already been branded 'unacceptably long' by Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt who has concerns about a spike in respiratory infections and flu as more cold weather arrives this weekend.
He said: "The most recent statistics show that nearly three quarters of trolley waits occurred in just two trusts. In Worcestershire, in particular, there have been a number of unacceptably long trolley waits, and the media have reported two deaths of patients in A&E.
In total 109 emergency patients waited on trolleys for more than 12 hours at and Redditch between December 20 last year and January 4 this year.
http://www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk/...ital/Worcester

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That's why the EU kept telling us that Britain's ageing population is dying on hospital trolleys and you need the new refugees to replace them.
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we need someone like this to sort out the problems in the nhs.

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The NHS already overloaded by a thundering number of Brits who believe that the value of something free is nothing.

If you personally didn't have to hand over any cash, it was magic money that sorted the NHS, some giant cash cow in the sky.

Why not have another burger, when a new hip to heft around your massive bulk is free?

Why not lie in the sun on your bargain holiday in Sharm El Sheikh, when the cost of having half your cancerous ear cut off is nothing?

Why not smoke your way to lung cancer if it's all being chemo'd on the state?

Seventy-odd years after Beveridge announced his intention to rid us of the Five Great Evils want, ignorance, squalor, famine and idleness we are still enjoying a National Health Service free at the point of use.

But times have changed. And if you need evidence of why this can't work in a modern age, you only need, as Alan Bennett did, to watch the behaviour of hotel-goers at an all-inclusive buffet: theyll take more than they need of everything, and have no guilty conscience about the state they leave it in when they're done.


A free health service does not only cause the ignorant to use it like it has no value (going to A&E with a broken toe or splinter, for example).

But it actively encourages people to behave irresponsibly, stuffing themselves to obesity, drinking themselves out of a liver, stuffing sugar until they're type 2 diabetic, knowing the NHS will pick up the pieces.

It also encourages people to abdicate any formal responsibility to care for their own.

How many times have you heard people complain about the way the NHS treated their mum or their dad? How they came home 'half-dead', starving, dehydrated. How the doctors misdiagnosed a problem.

A free health service does not only cause the ignorant to use it like it has no value. But it actively encourages people to behave irresponsibly, writes Katie Hopkins

If you are that bothered, get yourself on the ward and feed and water them yourself. Help provide their care. Spend the cash you waste on nonsense in Primark getting a private opinion instead. Just because something is 'free' doesn't mean you can't pay especially if you can afford to waste your cash on other meaningless stuff.

It seems fecklessness is not confined to our obese. Or to our drunks on a Friday night. But to ungrateful children, too.

If we do not internalise the cost a failure to care for our own health, or that of our aging parents, through sheer irresponsibility, is it any wonder our NHS is dying?

And that was before.

Before our government decided we should pay for the problems of the rest of the world as well.

I am struck by two particular things about the economic migrants we have allowed to monopolise our public services. Their ability to get to the front of the queue, ahead of British nationals. And their ability to breed.

Maternity care for migrant mothers from outside the UK cost us 1.3 million in the last ten years. I would be willing to bet those costs have increased exponentially since Merkel invited half of Africa to make Europe their home.

The average Afghan-born woman living in the UK has 4.25 children and the average Somali-born woman has 4.19 children.

The average for Pakistani women is 3.82.

While the average for British-born mums is 1.74,

Is it any wonder, when we offer free housing, benefits, schooling and healthcare for every new arrival?

Health experts suggest the cost of treating sickly migrants adds around 1 billion a year to the cost of the NHS. Bear that in mind when Corbyn says he is 'relaxed' about uncontrolled immigration.

It's not that I wish any particular malice on those arriving. I just want them to pay for what they take.

Because, as we have learned with our NHS, when something is free, it has no value. And no limit.

Migrants in our country see no reason to limit the number of children they have, because the British taxpayer will pick up the bill.

Yet again, we fail to make people own their problems.

As we learn from life, resources are finite. There are limits. And we are pushing them.

I have heard the tired old counter-argument that our NHS is staffed by thousands of fantastic immigrants. But it bears no relevance to this discussion. If you are here, working and contributing, you have earned your place.

But I refuse to accept hardworking Brits should have their income tax increased to pay for other people's problems.

We can pretend it's all about saving the NHS if it makes you feel more generous, if you prefer to avoid the facts.

about it, we have failed to make the hard choices, failed to impose limits.

Failed to make people accountable for their poor decisions which result in health problems.

And we have failed to make migrants pay for the healthcare they need.

Britain offers an endless, all-inclusive buffet of support for the sick, the lazy, the feckless and the foreign who have brought nothing to the table.
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GPs being made scapegoats for A&E pressures, says BMA

The doctors' union, the BMA, has accused the government of making GPs in England scapegoats for the pressure on A&E departments.

The government says GPs must try harder to stay open from 08:00 to 20:00, seven days a week, so fewer patients are forced to seek care at hospitals.

It warned GPs risk losing extra funding if they fail to meet their commitments to longer surgery opening times.

But the BMA and Labour said underfunding of the NHS was to blame.

Dr Chaand Nagpaul of the BMA told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have got a very serious problem that we don't have the capacity in general practice.

"The crisis in the NHS won't be solved by scapegoating or deflecting blame on to GPs."

One in three GP practices were reporting unfilled vacancies, while eight in 10 said they were unable to provide safe care, he added.

Pressure on A&E was down to seriously-ill patients, he said, not access to GPs, and the government needed an emergency plan to tackle NHS under-resourcing.

Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard, chairwoman of the Royal College of GPs, said the "whole of general practice and primary care" was "close to the precipice" after being "under-funded and under-resourced for a decade".

Surgeries are currently expected to open between the core hours of 08:00 and 18:30, Monday to Friday. Extra funding is available to those offering appointments outside those hours.

Downing Street said surgeries should do more to ensure they offered appointments in the evening and at weekends.

"Most GPs do a fantastic job, and have their patients' interests firmly at heart," it said.

"However, it is increasingly clear that a large number of surgeries are not providing the access that patients need - and that patients are suffering as a result because they are then forced to go to A&E to seek care.

"It's also bad for hospitals, who then face additional pressure on their services."

The government highlighted October 2015 figures from the National Audit Office (NAO), which showed that 46% of GP surgeries closed at some point during core hours, and 18% closed at or before 15:00 on at least one weekday.

Three-quarters of those that closed early were receiving extra funding in 2015-16 to provide access outside of core hours, the NAO said.


Major alerts

More than four in 10 hospitals in England declared a major alert in the first week of the new year.

The director of acute care for NHS England, Professor Keith Willett, has estimated that 30% of patients attending A&E would be better cared for elsewhere in the system, the government said.

Downing Street said the prime minister wanted to help reduce pressures on hospitals in a number of ways:

Ministers may ask GP surgeries to use a new appointments tool to submit appointments data

GPs would receive extra funding for offering extended hours only if they could demonstrate they were offering appointments which patients wanted and were advertising them properly

Surgeries receiving extra cash for longer opening times would be asked to expand their online services for patients to free up time for consultations and treatment

GPs being made scapegoats for A&E pressures, says BMA - BBC News
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