Thread: Fort Lauderdale airport shooting: Five people shot dead by Florida gunman

^The America I lived in didn't allow concealed carry, nor in most cases for guns to be taken out of the home other than to a shooting range or for hunting. Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.

I didn't fuck off after Vietnam; I worked for the USG for 28 years, but was posted abroad for almost all of them.

I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.

Still not like that and you know it. You also know that people that have CCP/CWP don't usually go round killing people or cops or generally being a nuisance. Does it happen? Yeah but they are not the group to be targeting.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.

Fair enough but its pretty hypocritical to mock American gun rights sitting in a country with a murderous dictator, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Slick

Do you think it would be better to have doctors be able to dictate citizens civil liberties on a whim?

What about the liberties of those who were gunned down, is a known psycho's "right" to walk around shopping centers with a semi-automatic more important than the lives of the victims?

Originally Posted by Slick

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.

Still not like that and you know it. You also know that people that have CCP/CWP don't usually go round killing people or cops or generally being a nuisance. Does it happen? Yeah but they are not the group to be targeting.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.

Fair enough but its pretty hypocritical to mock American gun rights sitting in a country with a murderous dictator, isn't it?

We got him, you got Trump. We're all fucked.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

We got him, you got Trump. We're all fucked.

Yeah but at least we got 2A and Trump is a fan and the god given right to defend ourself free from prosecution. Im sure its easy to pick up a 1911 over there though. Probably some M19A1's floating around still. Just don't know about the legalities of it all over there.

Originally Posted by Slick

What does this have to do with doctors being able to remove americans civil liberties at will?

Nobody said anything about this but you. With the concerns of his family, his less than honorable discharge from the military, his visit to the FBI to let them know the CIA was controlling his mind, and his subsequent time in a mental institution, he should never have had a concealed carry permit, or a weapon.

If you disagree, because he has "rights", then you are the problem.

Nobody has suggested doctors should be able to revoke anybody's liberties at will.
Concealed carry is not a civil liberty, it requires a license & there are conditions to be met for it to be granted.

The guy had undergone psychological treatment and his condition was known to the FBI.


Edit: oops, DK was faster!

Originally Posted by stroller

Nobody has suggested doctors should be able to revoke anybody's liberties at will.

Thats exactly what you guys are saying.

Originally Posted by stroller

Concealed carry is not a civil liberty, it requires a license & there are conditions to be met for it to be granted.

Yeah I know, I have one in the state of Florida.

Gun ownership is a civil liberty, just to buy one requires a background check (from a dealer - even Alaska) and so does a carry permit. Both are NCIS checks. Basically to legally buy a gun, you can legally have/apply for a CWP too. States vary slightly, but its not all that different. Besides, you don't need a carry permit to travel with a firearm in checked baggage so I don't know why this is a hang up point for your guys.

Originally Posted by stroller

The guy had undergone psychological treatment and his condition was known to the FBI.

There is nothing saying someone undergoing psychological treatment loses their civil liberties. That shit it just ridiculous and he wasn't "known to the FBI" like a terrorist.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

If you disagree, because he has "rights", then you are the problem.

Then I guess I'm part of the problem, as I wholeheartedly disagree with doctors having the ability to report your private medical treatment to authorities.

Unless someone is legally adjudicated mentally unfit. I believe should be a place for some mentally unstable people to not have access to firearms, but in no way should doctors be able to do it easily, and if the feel like it. It should have to go to a court or some legal proceedings etc... This is a born god given right not to be taken away willy nilly without being able to plead your case or something.

If it was me, I wouldn't have doctors anywhere near the constitution. No way.

Originally Posted by cyrille

yes it really is working a treat except for those silly victims who weren't packin'.

will they ever learn?

No one is 'packing' in the baggage claim area dickhead. They just got off the aircraft and that sort of thing is discouraged.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by cyrille

yes it really is working a treat except for those silly victims who weren't packin'.

will they ever learn?

No one is 'packing' in the baggage claim area dickhead. They just got off the aircraft and that sort of thing is discouraged.

The shooter just picked up his checked bag from the baggage claim area. He took it into the bathroom, got his gun and his loaded magazines, and came out shooting. Worked for him.

Five dead. Eight wounded. 14 families (including his) ruined.

But no worries, Slick, his "rights" to murder people were protected.

Originally Posted by Slick

Thats exactly what you guys are saying.

Your reading comprehension isn't up to scratch, or perhaps you're being deliberately disingenuous - hardly worth further argument in either case.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Where does it say he is a Christian?

It did in the Latin Times but that has since been deleted. However, being Puerto Rican, there's a 93% chance he's a Christian...

...not that it matters one iota...

Doctors in the U.K. Tell on you, they tell on you to the Driving license authorities if you are unfit to drive. Going blind is just one of the reasons the Doctor will tell on you.
And your driving license will be revoked.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

^The America I lived in didn't allow concealed carry, nor in most cases for guns to be taken out of the home other than to a shooting range or for hunting. Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.

I didn't fuck off after Vietnam; I worked for the USG for 28 years, but was posted abroad for almost all of them.

I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.

The military by in large teaches responsibilty and respect for firearms. Mandatory military service and firearms trainning would go a long way.

This tragic massacre in FL is a sad aberration, shows how someone unstabble can slip through the cracks.

Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws which have created this climate of fear which now pervades.

This terribly tragic improper use of a firearm is but a symptom of a much larger problem which will not be addressed by corporate media.

RIP

Originally Posted by stroller

is a known psycho's "right" to walk around shopping centers with a semi-automatic more important than the lives of the victims?

Of course it is! And you can pry my gun from my cold dead fingers.

mental health problems played a role

..right up until he ran out of bullets
then he regained his sanity and lay down, safely waiting to be arrested.

Originally Posted by ENT

Karen Loeffler, the US attorney for Alaska, told journalists: "As far as I know this is not a person that would have been prohibited from having a gun."

As suspected. Its unfortunate but its the cost of having protected god given rights. Take any of the constitutional amendments and there will be a person or group that takes it to the absolute extreme, sometimes to the harm of others either physically or mentally.

Originally Posted by ENT

She explained that federal law only allows for gun rights to be taken away from someone on mental health grounds if they are "adjudicated mentally ill".

As stated before. Im a Florida resident, and they typically only follow federal level firearms laws in the State due to the Preemption Statute. Its also a crime for local governments/agencies to apply their own gun laws, on top of Federal/State law. I believe its very similar to Alaska in that regard.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014...-pro-gun-bills

https://www.floridacarry.org/issues/firearms-preemption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Alaska

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws

What racist laws does the U.S. Have? Give us one example.

Obama reacted : was organized by the russians!

L

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws

What racist laws does the U.S. Have? Give us one example.

The entire Nixon spawned "war on drugs" is inherently racist and disproportionately destroys minority communities. (Most of the US prison population are black/hispanic)

But it didn't start with Nixon.

It began back in the 30's with Harry J. Anslinger



But actually started before that with opium prohibition which was aimed at the Chinese migrant workforce.
The USA has a long history of racist shenanigans!

Originally Posted by Cujo

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws

What racist laws does the U.S. Have? Give us one example.

" Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms and shoot nigras".