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    Challenge to Brexit

    The group "British Influence" is trying to throw a spanner into the Brexit works.

    From the Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-single-market

    The British government is facing a fresh legal challenge over whether it should seek to retain membership of the single market after Brexit.

    Lawyers will argue that June’s referendum asked the public a single question over whether the UK should leave the EU, and did not delve into the more complex issue of economic access.
    It is the second legal challenge faced by the government over the process of leaving the EU. At the start of the month another challenge saw the high court rule that only parliament has the power to formally trigger Brexit. That case will be decided by the supreme court in an appeal to be heard next week.

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    The latest challenge will see lawyers argue that parliament should also have a say over whether the country could remain in the European Economic Area (EEA), in line with other non-EU countries, such as Norway.
    Jonathan Lis, the deputy director of British Influence, which is planning to bring forward a judicial review, said: “The single market wasn’t on the ballot paper. To leave it would be devastating for the economy, smash our free trading arrangement and put thousands of jobs at risk. Why should people not only throw the baby out with the bath water, but the bath out of the window?”
    Asked about the Vote Leave campaign telling voters that Brexit would mean leaving the single market, Lis said that they also promised voters 350m a week for the NHS.

    “This is not an anti-Brexit measure,” he added.
    Lis argued that there was “discretionary control” over the freedoms within the EEA that went beyond the EU, citing the example of Switzerland negotiating an agreement through which vacancies could be advertised initially to local residents.

    The basis of the legal action would be that the government has an opportunity to stay within the single market, but is rejecting it.
    It will claim that Croatia, by joining the EEA nine months after the EU, has proven that the two organisations are separate, so leaving one need not mean leaving the other.

    “The fact that the UK dismisses these arguments out of hand suggest that it is deliberately aiming for a hard Brexit outside the single market. This option was not on the referendum ballot paper,” he said, calling the legal challenge a “game-changer on every level”.
    The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, speaking before a Downing Street summit involving the Polish prime minister, Beata Szydło, and six of her cabinet members, said there was no reason why either legal challenge should slow down Brexit.
    “There is no delay,” Fallon told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “The prime minister has already said we’re going to start the negotiations by triggering the famous article 50 next spring, and those negotiations are prescribed in the treaty as lasting around two years.”
    Asked about giving parliament a voice on the process, he said: “MPs and peers are having a say at the moment. We had a debate last week on Brexit and how it affected the future in Britain.
    “But what we’re not going to do is open up our entire negotiating hand, precisely because it concerns the sorts of complexities we’re going to be discussing with the Polish delegation today.”
    The meeting with the Polish politicians was an example of how links with EU nations could develop, Fallon said. “This is a glimpse of the future of how we will be deepening our country-to-country relationships with key partners in Europe right across the board – on exports, on trade, on research, and also on defence and security.”
    Under EEA membership, Britain would retain the benefits of free trade.
    British Influence, which has written to David Davis, the Brexit secretary, suggests the government should not just be focusing on article 50, but on articles 127 and 128 as well.

    It says there is no legal consensus that the UK is only “a contracting party to the EEA only as a member of the EU There are numerous reasons why it may be a member in its own right: article 127 of the EEA agreement, for example, requires members to give 12 months’ notification to leave, without any reference to article 50; article 128 states that countries acceding to the EU ‘may’ apply to join the EEA, but are not compelled to.”

    "British Influence"

    is headed by the following chaps

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Alexander

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mandelson

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Clarke

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrgolofkin
    The British government is facing a fresh legal challenge over whether it should seek to retain membership of the single market after Brexit. Lawyers will argue that June’s referendum asked the public a single question over whether the UK should leave the EU, and did not delve into the more complex issue of economic access.
    The first referendum in the 70's was only a 'Yes' or 'No'. I don't remember the 'No' voters belly ache-ing about them losing.

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    So now lawyers and judges want to run the country and impose policy, I always thought that was the governments job. Maybe these unelected lawyers and judges should stand in the next election if they want to form policy.

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    Unelected wrexiters scared about their futures and public hand outs from the public purse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    So now lawyers and judges want to run the country and impose policy, I always thought that was the governments job. Maybe these unelected lawyers and judges should stand in the next election if they want to form policy.
    Pretty sure it was opposition party members and the electorate that started the ball rolling in the first place through debate and an online petition, no..? So now you're saying that only elected government members can raise debate that leads to policy... mmm sounds like an authoritarian dictatorship doesn't it. Funny how the Brexit lot wanted debate, but now rush to stifle that same democratic right. The vote to leave the EU wasn't overwhelming, as I recall it was rather evenly split, so should half the population shut up and put up like you insist, or should they be allowed to exercise the same democratic right to debate that the pro Brexit campaigners used..?

    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    Good points.
    Ok
    You remainers can have another vote.
    We had to lobby hard and wait 41 years from 1975 to 2016 to get one, so
    you can have one in 2057 - not next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    So now lawyers and judges want to run the country and impose policy, I always thought that was the governments job. Maybe these unelected lawyers and judges should stand in the next election if they want to form policy.
    Heaven forbid the rule of law should impinge upon Brexit political dogma.

    Perhaps, Farage should stand for Parliament again if he wants to form policy? Unelected wankstains spouting away on how they would run things is just soooooo undemocratic.

    Har, har.

    You dumb mofo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    Ok You remainers can have another vote. We had to lobby hard and wait 41 years from 1975 to 2016 to get one, so you can have one in 2057 - not next week
    All Remainer voters that don't make another 41 years will be notified as to that referendum result by Quija Board.

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