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    MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after

    MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after referendum

    MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after referendum


    British voters are being “conned” by Brussels officials who are keeping plans for a European army secret until after the referendum, leading Tories have claimed.

    Liam Fox, the former defence secretary who served under David Cameron, told The Telegraph that the ambitions showed the EU is wedded to the “dangerous fantasy” of creating a single defence force.

    Another eurosceptic Tory MP said voters were being “deceived” and “hoodwinked” about the true scale of the EU’s drive to create a single army.

    The backlash came as it emerged plans to move towards the creation of a European army are being kept secret from British voters until the day after next month’s referendum.

    Drawn up by the EU’s foreign policy chief, the Global Strategy on Foreign and Security Policy foresees the formation of new European military and operational structures.

    This first step towards an EU army is supported by Germany and other countries, The Times reports.

    In 2011, similar proposals were vetoed by Britain, although there were concerns that a loophole could allow nine states to group together to bypass opponents.

    In an effort to avoid derailing the Prime Minister’s Remain campaign, the policy plans will not be sent to national governments until the day after Britons vote.

    Until then, only a small group of EU political and security committee ambassadors, who must leave their electronic devices outside a sealed room, can read the proposal.

    However hand written notes can be taken.

    Extracts of the text in notes taken by dipomats, seen by The Times, emphasise that “security and defence is where a step change is most urgent”.

    The paper warns that “in turbulent times, we need a compass to navigate the waters of a faster-changing world”.

    The news comes as figures show a record number of immigrants arrived in Britain last year for work, and net migration reached 333,0000.

    Head of foreign policy in the EU, Federica Mogherini, has reportedly spent 18 months preparing the defence document to be discussed by European leaders at a summit on June 28.

    Mr Fox told The Telegraph: “Those of us who have always warned about Europe’s defence ambitions have always been told not to worry, but step-by-step that ever closer union is becoming a reality. We cannot afford to be conned in this referendum as we were conned in 1975.

    “The best way to protect ourselves is to stay close to the US. The US defence budget is bigger than the next 11 countries in the world put together. Europe’s defence intentions are a dangerous fantasy and risk cutting us off from our closest and most powerful ally.

    “We’re always told not to worry about the next integration and then it happens. We’ve been too often conned before and we must not be conned again.”

    Andrew Bridgen, the Tory MP for North West Leicestershire, said: “This is the way the EU operates. The people were deceived about the aims of the EU in 1975 and they’re being deceived again today. For the security of our country we must vote to leave the EU.

    “This blows out of the water the Prime Minister’s claim that we’re being excluded from ever closer union. Voters are being hoodwinked once again.”

    So the first time I said that cameron was slowly dismantling the UK military and combining the dregs of it up with the French, thus creating the EU Army as per EU doctrine, I was laughed at by Chass and Harry. This was nearly a year ago.

    The second time more recently I reaffirmed exactly the same thing, I was told i was a tinfoil conspiracy theorist by the same two.

    It's now entering the mainstream soft introduction stage.... but it's too late. It has already been done as the British squadron in Cornwall under French authority and General direction will attest to. Funny how I am usually right though...... Ohhhh none dare say CONSPIRACY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after
    Good and about time. Tired of my taxes being spent to subsidize European defense spending. Screw that. Dump NATO and let the Euros, with or without Brits, pay their own way.

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    The problem is the Fouurth Reich's endless lies and deception; they just want to control a single federal Europe, and no Britons, at any time, bought into that; we bought into a single market with easy trading and travelling, nothing else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after
    Good and about time. Tired of my taxes being spent to subsidize European defense spending. Screw that. Dump NATO and let the Euros, with or without Brits, pay their own way.
    Fair call. Would surely make Igor less nervous when there ain't no US military installations just outside his borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The problem is the Fouurth Reich's endless lies and deception; they just want to control a single federal Europe, and no Britons, at any time, bought into that; we bought into a single market with easy trading and travelling, nothing else...
    Typical crass lies by the telegraph though. Because there is NO WAY at all that the British will watch a joint force being set up directly with Germany (who lest we forget is the country that has equipped israel with submarines to fit their Nukes into which are now roaming the seas, and probably around Europe and the US which is where their real danger is). So, cameron has been linking up with France, still on the down low of course, but jut a quick google shows that the Anglo French alliance is so webbed together now, married in every action, that this creates one very big problem.

    Referendum or no, in or out, stay or remain, if the vote it out, there is a big chance that the people of the UK will be told "well, the milliary is so intertwined with France now that we can not separate now.

    The mock concessions that cameron got for his renegotiation with the EU were all conceded for 2 points.

    1 - combined EU army to be implemented straight away.
    2 - Combined Treasury.

    With these two, the UK disappears. Literally. It is gone, and this is what cameron has traded. He is a traitor.

    .....still no chass to call me a tin foil conspiracy theorist I note....


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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after referendum

    MPs warn voters being 'conned' as Brussels keeps plans for EU army secret until after referendum


    British voters are being “conned” by Brussels officials who are keeping plans for a European army secret until after the referendum, leading Tories have claimed.

    Liam Fox, the former defence secretary who served under David Cameron, told The Telegraph that the ambitions showed the EU is wedded to the “dangerous fantasy” of creating a single defence force.

    Another eurosceptic Tory MP said voters were being “deceived” and “hoodwinked” about the true scale of the EU’s drive to create a single army.

    The backlash came as it emerged plans to move towards the creation of a European army are being kept secret from British voters until the day after next month’s referendum.

    Drawn up by the EU’s foreign policy chief, the Global Strategy on Foreign and Security Policy foresees the formation of new European military and operational structures.

    This first step towards an EU army is supported by Germany and other countries, The Times reports.

    In 2011, similar proposals were vetoed by Britain, although there were concerns that a loophole could allow nine states to group together to bypass opponents.

    In an effort to avoid derailing the Prime Minister’s Remain campaign, the policy plans will not be sent to national governments until the day after Britons vote.

    Until then, only a small group of EU political and security committee ambassadors, who must leave their electronic devices outside a sealed room, can read the proposal.

    However hand written notes can be taken.

    Extracts of the text in notes taken by dipomats, seen by The Times, emphasise that “security and defence is where a step change is most urgent”.

    The paper warns that “in turbulent times, we need a compass to navigate the waters of a faster-changing world”.

    The news comes as figures show a record number of immigrants arrived in Britain last year for work, and net migration reached 333,0000.

    Head of foreign policy in the EU, Federica Mogherini, has reportedly spent 18 months preparing the defence document to be discussed by European leaders at a summit on June 28.

    Mr Fox told The Telegraph: “Those of us who have always warned about Europe’s defence ambitions have always been told not to worry, but step-by-step that ever closer union is becoming a reality. We cannot afford to be conned in this referendum as we were conned in 1975.

    “The best way to protect ourselves is to stay close to the US. The US defence budget is bigger than the next 11 countries in the world put together. Europe’s defence intentions are a dangerous fantasy and risk cutting us off from our closest and most powerful ally.

    “We’re always told not to worry about the next integration and then it happens. We’ve been too often conned before and we must not be conned again.”

    Andrew Bridgen, the Tory MP for North West Leicestershire, said: “This is the way the EU operates. The people were deceived about the aims of the EU in 1975 and they’re being deceived again today. For the security of our country we must vote to leave the EU.

    “This blows out of the water the Prime Minister’s claim that we’re being excluded from ever closer union. Voters are being hoodwinked once again.”

    So the first time I said that cameron was slowly dismantling the UK military and combining the dregs of it up with the French, thus creating the EU Army as per EU doctrine, I was laughed at by Chass and Harry. This was nearly a year ago.

    The second time more recently I reaffirmed exactly the same thing, I was told i was a tinfoil conspiracy theorist by the same two.

    It's now entering the mainstream soft introduction stage.... but it's too late. It has already been done as the British squadron in Cornwall under French authority and General direction will attest to. Funny how I am usually right though...... Ohhhh none dare say CONSPIRACY.
    Of course you were laughed at, and you're being laughed at now because you quoted some puff piece from a paper known as the "Torygraph" you dick.


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    I am surprised that Pseudolus, with his insider knowledge gleaned from tin foil loon infiltrated conspiracy websites, oops, sorry, I mean professional well informed and well connected international contacts, and with his penchant for incisive, well reasoned, deductive and logical opinions has not been headhunted by The Times or the BBC for their investigative journalism departments.

    keep at it pseudo, one day you could be a contender.

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    The US and the UK along with France, Germany and other EU countries are all members of NATO. There is no need for an EU army. The US will not allow an unstable and timid EU bureaucracy to pontificate over the next Russian foray into Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    The Times or the BBC for their investigative journalism departments.
    55555555555


    This statement shows you exactly how stupid you are.

    BBC - created and still is the governments propaganda machine. The fact that you do not know this really does show how utterly dense you are.

    As for the Time - Murdoch war hawk supporting rag.


    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    The US and the UK along with France, Germany and other EU countries are all members of NATO. There is no need for an EU army. The US will not allow an unstable and timid EU bureaucracy to pontificate over the next Russian foray into Europe.
    And?

    Told you a year ago. Told you a month ago. There will be no UK military. You happy with that?


    Fuck you are stupider that Tax and that is saying something.

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    silly boy, your confusing the british council with the bbc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The problem is the Fouurth Reich's endless lies and deception; they just want to control a single federal Europe, and no Britons, at any time, bought into that; we bought into a single market with easy trading and travelling, nothing else...
    Too true.

    Germany runs the show with Quisling France and Belgium doing what they always did best, capitulate to and serve the Reich.

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    During the first Cold War in the 70's and 80's Britain did joint exercises with German and french troops, in Germany.
    Nobody worried about it.
    Why worry about it now?

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    Ever seen their past uniforms? The only thing missing was the Swastika.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    During the first Cold War in the 70's and 80's Britain did joint exercises with German and french troops, in Germany.
    Nobody worried about it.
    Why worry about it now?
    It still goes on, under NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    During the first Cold War in the 70's and 80's Britain did joint exercises with German and french troops, in Germany.
    Nobody worried about it.
    Why worry about it now?
    It still goes on, under NATO.

    History is why. The United States started off as a voluntary association of States, that only lasted about 70 or so years until some Southern States decided to cede from the Union. The result was our Civil War.
    Doubtful if the EU will remain "voluntary" either, especially once a unified military is formed.

    It's also not the least bit anti-American or debatable to say that our Federal Government has grabbed far more power from the states than it was ever intended to, likely the EU central government will eventually do the same.

    I'm sure there are other examples in history.

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    ^ "...likely the EU central government will eventually do the same."

    Yup, pretty much so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Liam Fox, the former defence secretary who served under David Cameron, told The Telegraph

    Another eurosceptic Tory MP said voters were being “deceived” and “hoodwinked”

    Andrew Bridgen, the Tory MP for North West Leicestershire, said: “This is the way the EU operates.
    Big fucking yaaaaawn... no facts, just usual Tory fear mongering.

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