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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Mann View Post
    Switzerland has suspended the citizenship process for the family of two teenage Muslim brothers after the boys' refusal to shake hands with their female teachers sparked a national debate over religious freedoms.
    Send them back to hell where they came from.
    Before its too late and the martyr syndrom comes through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Is Egypt in Switzerland now, ENT?
    Only a fool would ask such a question.

    It's good to see a Muslim country banning the veil in any form in public, the Arab enlightenment may be dawning..............maybe.

    Hang on, an Arab enlightenment?

    Erm,....sorry, ...that's an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    There are no private Muslim Schools in Switzerland and Islam is not taught in schools there.

    Muslims can attend their mosques and masjids as usual, but without encroaching upon Swiss citizens' rights and culture, so no yodelling muezzin in minarets (only 4 in Switzerland and a ban on building any more mosques and minarets).

    UPDATE
    The ban on face veils and burkhas has been approved, and any one flouting that ban faces a fine of around 9,000 Swiss franks or 6,500 pounds.
    Time the pasty weak Poms started acting like that rather than bending over for the mohamadeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    Is Egypt in Switzerland now, ENT?
    It's good to see a Muslim country banning the veil in any form in public,
    Which country is that? Because it's not the case in Egypt.

    You don't even read what you copy from or understand what you post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Which country is that? Because it's not the case in Egypt.

    You don't even read what you copy from or understand what you post.


    This time I think your right ! It will take those backwards people a least another 399 years to push the bill through.


    Egypt drafts bill to ban burqa and Islamic veils in public places

    Legislators have argued that full face veils are un-Islamic and that the Quran only requires women to dress modestly and cover their hair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
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    Is Egypt in Switzerland now, ENT?
    It's good to see a Muslim country banning the veil in any form in public,
    Which country is that? Because it's not the case in Egypt.

    You don't even read what you copy from or understand what you post.
    You have some deep seated problems, Nervenema.


    BURKA BOMBSHELL: Muslim country to ban the veil 'because it is NOT Islamic'

    EGYPTIAN lawmakers have argued that full face veils are actually un-Islamic and even go against what the Koran advocates.
    Fri, Mar 11, 2016 | UPDATED: 09:34, Fri, Mar 11, 2016

    Lawmakers have argued that full face veils are actually un-Islamic
    Days after Ukip reignited calls for a ban on the burka in Britain, Egypt has now moved closer to banning the veil.
    The full-face veil has long been associated with followers of Islam and typically covers all of the wearer’s face other than their eyes.

    Egypt, a predominately Muslim country, has placed several restrictions in recent years on wearing the niqab following a sharp rise in those wearing the full veil in the last decade.

    The ban would apply in public places and government buildings. In January this year a court upheld a university’s ban.
    Leading politicians argued the full-face veil is neither an Islamic tradition, nor required in the Koran.

    Member of Parliament Amna Nosseir, also a member of Egypt's Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs, revealed the niqab is instead a Jewish tradition.
    She insisted "the niqab is not an Islamic duty" and instead was "a part of Judaism".

    She has argued that it is a tradition which appeared in the Arabian Peninsula prior to Islam and that a variety of Koran passages contradict its use.
    Dr Nosseir added that while the Koran calls for modest clothing and for women to cover their hair, the holy book does not ask for women to cover their faces.

    She said: “We seek to spread moderate Islam. Wearing the niqab in public has raised concerns in the Egyptian streets in view of the hard circumstances the country is undergoing.”
    Egypt set to vote on BURKA BAN after politicians claim it is NOT Islamic | World | News | Daily Express

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    There are no private Muslim Schools in Switzerland and Islam is not taught in schools there.

    Muslims can attend their mosques and masjids as usual, but without encroaching upon Swiss citizens' rights and culture, so no yodelling muezzin in minarets (only 4 in Switzerland and a ban on building any more mosques and minarets).

    UPDATE
    The ban on face veils and burkhas has been approved, and any one flouting that ban faces a fine of around 9,000 Swiss franks or 6,500 pounds.
    Time the pasty weak Poms started acting like that rather than bending over for the mohamadeans.
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    Nobody wears a burqa in Egypt.

    They won't ban the hijab.

    They might ban the niqab, but my guess is they won't.

    Perhaps a leading Saudi will give some advice to their Egyptian brothers. We'll have to wait and see.

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    https://aifs.gov.au/publications/fam...ion-sharia-law

    The case for official recognition
    Sharia law is already operating in Australia


    Given that many of Australia's 350,000 Muslims (Australian Bureau of Statistics [ABS], 2006) are already regulating their lives according to Sharia, it is logical to officially recognise and support this.
    Lucky the Swiss are not pussies like the Aussies.

    Historical population
    Year Pop. ±%
    1981 76,792 —
    1991 147,487 +92.1%
    2001 281,600 +90.9%
    2011 476,291 +69.1%
    And in that the population of muslims in Australia double every decde, there will be 1 million there in 2021, and 25% of the popullation of Aus by 2031. About time we started calling the place "Pakiralia", with it's capital city "Canblahor", and other major cities "Sydnistan", "Melpakitown" and Where'sthegreeks?onlyPerthpakiland left.

    Always knew that aussies were pussies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    And in that the population of muslims in Australia double every decde, there will be 1 million there in 2021, and 25% of the popullation of Aus by 2031. About time we started calling the place "Pakiralia", with it's capital city "Canblahor", and other major cities "Sydnistan", "Melpakitown" and Where'sthegreeks?onlyPerthpakiland left.

    Always knew that aussies were pussies.
    Worse then the plague

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post

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    I just have one question ? Anything usefull ever came out of those colleges besides

    Any Nobel Prizes ?

    What do they teach ? How to bend over and bang your head to the floor without getting a cephalalgia?


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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
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    Al-Hidayah Islamic School

    I just have one question ? Anything usefull ever came out of those colleges besides

    Any Nobel Prizes ?
    Well the aussie economy is booming since they got a foothold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Nobody wears a burqa in Egypt.

    They won't ban the hijab.

    They might ban the niqab, but my guess is they won't.

    Perhaps a leading Saudi will give some advice to their Egyptian brothers. We'll have to wait and see.
    Goes to show that most Muslima don't want to wear a burqa nor a niqab.

    I reckon this Egyptian move to ban the burqa is a pre-emptive determination in light of the proposed new bridge from Saudi to Egypt.

    Who knows, the Egyptians might set up a used burqa box at their end of the bridge.

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    Muslim country to ban the veil 'because it is NOT Islamic'
    For a moment there, I thought this article was about the UK.

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    Ha ha, but the Egypo's are not 'real' Muslims are they It's Islam that need banning, not bits of rag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    There are no private Muslim Schools in Switzerland and Islam is not taught in schools there.

    Muslims can attend their mosques and masjids as usual, but without encroaching upon Swiss citizens' rights and culture, so no yodelling muezzin in minarets (only 4 in Switzerland and a ban on building any more mosques and minarets).

    UPDATE
    The ban on face veils and burkhas has been approved, and any one flouting that ban faces a fine of around 9,000 Swiss franks or 6,500 pounds.
    Time the pasty weak Poms started acting like that rather than bending over for the mohamadeans.
    I am a Pom ,and sadly I could not disagree with you even if I tried

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Nobody wears a burqa in Egypt.

    They won't ban the hijab.

    They might ban the niqab, but my guess is they won't.

    Perhaps a leading Saudi will give some advice to their Egyptian brothers. We'll have to wait and see.
    One already did.

    Saudi Cleric Says Women Are not Required to Wear Hijab, Can Put Makeup
    Saturday 6 December 2014 - 11:04

    Aziz Allilou is a student at the Higher Institute of Media and Communications (ISIC) and Morocco World News correspondent in Rabat.

    Rabat – A new fatwa against wearing Hijab has been issued last week by a Saudi Cleric who said that “Islam doesn’t require women to wear veil,” adding that women can put makeup on, take pictures for themselves and post them on social media networks.

    The fatwa was issued by Saudi Arabia’s former head of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice in Makkah, Ahmed bin Qassim al-Ghamidi.

    Answering a question in which a Twitter user asked him whether women can post their pictures on social media, the Saudi cleric said that “there is nothing wrong if a woman showed her face or put make-up.”

    He goes on to add that it is permissible for a woman to post her pictures on social media, reported Al Moheet.

    In another tweet, Ahmed bin Qassim al-Ghamidi goes as far as to claim that only the wives of prophet (MPBUH) “were required to wear Hijab so that adult males outside of their immediate family couldn’t see them.”

    To support his claims, he quoted a previous saying of the Palestinian Islamic scholar Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdqsi in which he said that “if the woman’s face and hands were intimate parts of her body, it would not be Haram for her to cover them while performing Al Haj.”

    Ahmed bin Qassim al-Ghamidi goes on to add instead of blaming women, the blame should put on men who are required to lower their gaze.

    The Saudi cleric quoted Morocco’s scholar Qadi Ayyad, who once said: It’s not mandatory for woman to cover her face outside her house, but it is a Sunna Mustahaba_ (preferable not obligatory). Men, on the other hand, shall lower their gaze.

    Saudi Cleric Says Women Are not Required to Wear Hijab, Can Put Makeup | Morocco World News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly94 View Post
    Ha ha, but the Egypo's are not 'real' Muslims are they It's Islam that need banning, not bits of rag.
    Baby steps, but the Saudis just might withdraw their offer to build that bridge now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
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    Al-Hidayah Islamic School

    I just have one question ? Anything usefull ever came out of those colleges besides

    Any Nobel Prizes ?
    Well the aussie economy is booming since they got a foothold?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    Nobody wears a burqa in Egypt.

    They won't ban the hijab.

    They might ban the niqab, but my guess is they won't.

    Perhaps a leading Saudi will give some advice to their Egyptian brothers. We'll have to wait and see.
    Goes to show that most Muslima don't want to wear a burqa nor a niqab.

    I reckon this Egyptian move to ban the burqa is a pre-emptive determination in light of the proposed new bridge from Saudi to Egypt.
    Different cultures and fashions.

    Egyptian women prefer to wear a hijab.
    In Yemen, most women wear the niqab.
    Burqas are an Afghani thing.

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    Anyway, back on topic.

    What's the latest news on the citizenship process of the two Muslim students in Switzerland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
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    Nobody wears a burqa in Egypt.

    They won't ban the hijab.

    They might ban the niqab, but my guess is they won't.

    Perhaps a leading Saudi will give some advice to their Egyptian brothers. We'll have to wait and see.
    Goes to show that most Muslima don't want to wear a burqa nor a niqab.

    I reckon this Egyptian move to ban the burqa is a pre-emptive determination in light of the proposed new bridge from Saudi to Egypt.
    Different cultures and fashions.

    Egyptian women prefer to wear a hijab.
    In Yemen, most women wear the niqab.
    Burqas are an Afghani thing.
    True.

    Saudi will have to really push the envelope on this one to get Egypt to conform to a strictly conservative Saudi belief, attitude and behaviour.

    I don't think the Saudis can do it and get away with it, though I think they will try it on.

    The Saudi's best shot would be to try and revive the corpse of an old hadith or sunnah on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    The Saudi's best shot would be to try and revive the corpse of an old hadith or sunnah on the matter.
    Egypt and Saudi Arabia use different schools of Islamic jurisprudence: Hanafi v Hanbali.

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    I'm aware of that.

    Can Saudi steamroll it's way across Egypt and over North Africa, and will it, or even want to do that?

    Why? What for?

    No other reasons than to create a great jihad, by stealth, coercion or otherwise to further the cause of Islam in its own image, secure in the belief that what they are doing has been commanded by a god most high, their 'Allah" the myths and dreams that their prophet Mohammed of the Quraish (Koraish) tribe proclaimed their tribal doctrine of the Koran and Allah, the moon god Baal, so as to;

    a) Loot
    b) Pillage
    c) Plunder

    ...then rape and subvert the populations of North and more southern parts of Africa and continue, as though on a pilgrimage, to make jihad following in the steps of the first Islamic War of Genocide and Repression, across Africa to Spain and France, according to the religious tenets of the House of Saud.

    We will see what happens.

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    No handshake exemption for Muslim pupils, Swiss canton rules

    GENEVA (AFP) - Religious belief is no excuse for refusing to shake a teacher's hand, Swiss regional authorities ruled Wednesday (May 25), reversing one school's controversial decision to grant exemptions for Muslim students wary of touching the opposite sex.

    Parents or guardians of students who refuse to shake a teacher's hand in the northern Swiss canton of Basel-Country could now face fines of up to 5,000 Swiss francs (S$6,955), regional education authorities ruled.

    "A teacher has the right to demand a handshake," they said in a statement.

    The decision comes after a national uproar over revelations that a school allowed two brothers, aged 14 and 15, not to shake their teachers' hands after they complained that doing so was counter to their religious beliefs if the teacher was a woman.

    They argued that Islam does not permit physical contact with a person of the opposite sex, with the exception of certain immediate family members.

    To avoid effectively permitting discrimination against female teachers, the school decided to exempt the boys from shaking hands with any of their teachers, regardless of sex.

    That decision - made independently by the school in the northwest Therwil municipality without involvement of the canton's authorities or local officials - triggered an outcry across Switzerland, where the tradition of students shaking their teachers' hands as a sign of respect is deeply entrenched.

    "The public interest concerning gender equality as well as integration of foreigners is far greater than that concerning the freedom of belief of students," authorities said.

    Wednesday's ruling means that the school's temporary rule, in place since the academic year started last autumn, will be lifted, the statement said.

    If the two students at the heart of the controversy once again refuse to shake hands, "the sanctions called for by law will be applied," it said.

    Switzerland's population of eight million people includes an estimated 350,000 Muslims.

    Previous similar disputes have centred on Muslim parents who demanded that their daughters be exempt from swimming lessons, a case that led to the parents being fined.

    Muslim families have however secured victories in court against schools which sought to ban the full face veil.

    No handshake exemption for Muslim pupils, Swiss canton rules, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

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