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    Erdogan poem: Turkey demands German action over 'obscene' satirist

    Erdogan poem: Turkey demands German action over 'obscene' satirist

    Turkey has made a formal request to Germany to prosecute a TV satirist for reading an obscene poem about President Erdogan, officials in Berlin say.
    Jan Boehmermann made clear before he read the poem that it contained allegations that breached German rules on free speech.
    Germany prosecutors launched a preliminary inquiry, as insulting foreign leaders is considered illegal.
    Broadcaster ZDF has said it will stand by Boehmermann.
    "The programme will carry on as before," it said, insisting that collaboration with Boehmermann would continue.
    However, the public TV network removed the video from the internet last week.
    The government has said it will consider the Turkish request, adding that Chancellor Angela Merkel saw freedom of speech as non-negotiable.
    Jan Boehmermann is Germany's most daring comedian, proving that the country's ordinarily stuffy public broadcasters can be innovative.
    But try to find the sketch online now and a message comes up saying that it's not available for copyright reasons. In fact the clip has been deleted by the channel that broadcasts the show.
    Some have called the sketch art. Others say it's puerile and vulgar. But whether its author should be prosecuted is quite another question.
    There is outrage in Germany that a publicly-funded channel has appeared to bow down to pressure from the Turkish government, which is already accused of suppressing free speech back home.
    And Chancellor Angela Merkel's opinion that the poem is "deliberately offensive" has laid her open to accusations that she is not standing up for free speech because Europe needs Turkey to help solve the refugee crisis.
    The poem was broadcast in late March on Boehmermann's Neo Magazin Royale show.
    It was in response to an earlier Turkish complaint about a satirical song on German TV mocking President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's authoritarian style and crackdown on civil liberties.
    The German ambassador was summoned by the government in Ankara after the song, "Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdogan", was broadcast on the public NDR TV channel. The German government and the EU defended the song as an example of free speech.
    Boehmermann hit back, delivering the poem during his late-night show as an example of what he was not allowed to do under Germany's criminal code.
    The poem featured references to sex with goats and sheep as well as references to repression of Turkey's minorities.
    Twenty complaints were made and prosecutors in Mainz announced they were investigating whether it had broken section 103 of the criminal code, which bans insulting representatives or organs belonging to foreign states.
    Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, told reporters on Monday that the government in Ankara had sent Germany's foreign ministry a diplomatic note with "a formal request for criminal prosecution".
    The note would be examined, he added. "It will take a few days. I can't and don't want to anticipate the results of this examination."
    Boehmermann is widely known in Germany for his incisive satire. Last year, he produced a video of Greece's then-finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, raising his middle finger to Germany.
    After his poem was pulled from the internet on 1 April, he tweeted: "I think today, 1 April 2016, we've shown impressively together with ZDF where the limits of satire lie here in Germany. Finally!"


    Erdogan poem: Turkey demands German action over 'obscene' satirist - BBC News

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    Insulting a muslim, sound familiar ? Take the word Erdogan out and replace it with ...


    Turkey asks Germany to prosecute comedian for insulting Erdogan

    Turkey has requested Germany criminally prosecute a comedian for insulting Turkish President Erdogan. Prosecutors are already looking into the case.

    Turkey's ambassador in Berlin on Sunday sent a diplomatic note to the Foreign Ministry requesting Germany criminally prosecute comedian Jan Böhmermann for reading a poem insulting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    Böhmermann, an award winning comedian and host of late-night talk show Neo Magazin Royale, added gas to a diplomatic spat between Germany and Turkey over free speech with his March 31 show on public television.
    On the broadcast, Böhmermann, seated before the Turkish flag and a portrait of Erdogan, accused the president of, among other things, sex with goats and sheep. Böhmermann also charged that Erdogan loves to "repress minorities, kick Kurds and beat Christians while watching child porn."
    Böhmermann aired the poem after Turkish officials called in Germany's ambassador to protest a satirical song aired on NDR, another public broadcaster, that had lampooned Erdogan in much tamer language. That two-minute clip, "Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdogan," took aim at the president for his alleged spending excesses and his government's crackdown on civil liberties.
    While the German government defended freedom of expression in the case of the satirical song, Angela Merkel criticized Böhmermann poem as "deliberately offensive" and discussed the matter with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.
    After officials removed Böhmermann's clip from the air and internet, the comedian said he and his employer had "demonstrated the limits of satire in Germany - finally!" Although the clip can still be found through Google, ZDF has combed YouTube to remove links.
    German prosecutors have started an investigation into whether to start criminal proceedings against Böhmermann under laws that criminalizes insulting foreign institutions and representatives. Such an investigation could only be launched if Erdogan requests it and German authorities find enough evidence to pursue prosecution.

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    Turkey asks Germany to prosecute comedian for insulting Erdogan

    Turkey has requested Germany criminally prosecute a comedian for insulting Turkish President Erdogan. Prosecutors are already looking into the case.

    Turkey's ambassador in Berlin on Sunday sent a diplomatic note to the Foreign Ministry requesting Germany criminally prosecute comedian Jan Böhmermann for reading a poem insulting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    Böhmermann, an award winning comedian and host of late-night talk show Neo Magazin Royale, added gas to a diplomatic spat between Germany and Turkey over free speech with his March 31 show on public television.
    On the broadcast, Böhmermann, seated before the Turkish flag and a portrait of Erdogan, accused the president of, among other things, sex with goats and sheep. Böhmermann also charged that Erdogan loves to "repress minorities, kick Kurds and beat Christians while watching child porn."
    Böhmermann aired the poem after Turkish officials called in Germany's ambassador to protest a satirical song aired on NDR, another public broadcaster, that had lampooned Erdogan in much tamer language. That two-minute clip, "Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdogan," took aim at the president for his alleged spending excesses and his government's crackdown on civil liberties.
    While the German government defended freedom of expression in the case of the satirical song, Angela Merkel criticized Böhmermann poem as "deliberately offensive" and discussed the matter with Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu.
    After officials removed Böhmermann's clip from the air and internet, the comedian said he and his employer had "demonstrated the limits of satire in Germany - finally!" Although the clip can still be found through Google, ZDF has combed YouTube to remove links.
    German prosecutors have started an investigation into whether to start criminal proceedings against Böhmermann under laws that criminalizes insulting foreign institutions and representatives. Such an investigation could only be launched if Erdogan requests it and German authorities find enough evidence to pursue prosecution.


    Normal in Turkey, but in Germany?
    The prospect of a well-known German comedian being prosecuted for insulting Erdogan, who since 2014 has filed more than 1800 criminal cases against ordinary Turkish citizens, journalists and politicians for insults, has caused a stir in Germany.
    Even minors have had cases filed against them, and in one instance a doctor was fired for posting a meme comparing Erdogan to the character Gollum in the "The Lord of the Rings."
    The defamation cases are part of a growing crackdown on freedom of expression and the press under Erdogan's increasingly authoritarian rule.
    The failure to stand up for free speech in Germany has led to accusations that Merkel's government is kowtowing to Erdogan because Europe needs Turkey's cooperation in stopping the flood of refugees to the EU.
    In an open letter to Böhmermann in the German newspaper "Die Welt" on Sunday, the chief executive of media giant Axel Springer, Mathias Doepfner, defended the comedian, calling the satire "priceless" and a "work of art."
    As mayor of Istanbul Erdogan was once imprisoned for four months in 1999 on charges of "inciting hatred based on religious differences" for reading a poem by Turkish nationalist ideologue Ziya Gokalp that was infused with Islamic references.


    Turkey asks Germany to prosecute comedian for insulting Erdogan | News | DW.COM | 10.04.2016

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    Erdo-how, Erdo-where, Erdoğun

    He's living in grand style,
    Big Boss from Bosporus.
    ("A showy construction with a thousand rooms,
    built without permit in a nature reserve")
    Press freedom gives him a swollen neck
    That's why he needs all those scarves
    (Erdogan talking with a hoarse voice)
    When a journalist writes an article
    Erdoğan dislikes
    He'll be in jail by the next day and the
    Newspaper's editorial office gets closed down
    He doesn't think twice
    And rides through the night
    With tear gas and water cannons
    Be nice to him,
    Since he's holding all the cards,
    Erdo-how, Erdo-where, Erdoğun
    The time is ripe
    For his great Ottoman empire,
    Erdo-how, Erdo-where, Erdoğun
    Equal rights for women
    Means they are beaten up equally
    ("Istanbul police has dispersed an
    International Women's Day demonstration by force.")
    If the election results don't suite his face
    He'll shake them into place
    (I like to move it, move it)
    He loathes the Kurds
    And would much rather bomb them,
    Than his brothers in faith over at ISIL.
    Hand him over your money
    He'll built you a refugee tent
    Erdo-how, Erdo-where, Erdoğun
    His country is ripe
    For EU-membership
    He doensn't give a shit about democracy
    Erdoğan says "Hi and goodbye"
    And rides off into the sunset...





    Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdoğan

    Er lebt auf großem Fuß,
    Der Boss vom Bosporus.
    ("Ein protziger Bau mit tausend Zimmern, errichtet ohne Baugenehmigung in einem Naturschutzgebiet.")
    Bei Pressefreiheit kriegt er 'nen Hals,
    D'rum braucht er viele Schals.
    (Erdoğan spricht mit Fistelstimme.)
    Ein Journalist, der was verfasst,
    Das Erdoğan nicht passt,
    Ist morgen schon im Knast.
    Redaktion wird dicht gemacht,
    Er denkt nicht lange nach und fährt mit Tränengas
    Und Wasserwerfern durch die Nacht.
    Sei schön charmant,
    Denn er hat dich in der Hand:
    Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdoğan.
    Die Zeit ist reif
    Für sein Großosmanisches Reich,
    Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdoğan.
    Gleiche Rechte für die Frau'n?
    Die werden auch verhau'n!
    ("Die Polizei in Istanbul hat eine Demonstration zum Weltfrauentag gewaltsam aufgelöst.")
    Ist das Wahlergebnis schlecht,
    Das ruckelt er zurecht.
    (I like to move it, move it.)
    Kurden hasst er wie die Pest,
    Die bombardiert er auch viel lieber
    Als die Glaubensbrüder drüben beim IS.
    Gib ihm dein Geld,
    Er baut dir ein Flüchtlingszelt:
    Erdowie, Erdowo, Erdoğan.
    Sein Land ist reif
    Für'n EU-Beitritt,
    Er pfeift auf Demokratie.
    "Tschü mit ü!" sagt Erdoğan,
    Und er reitet in den Sonnenuntergang!

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    "Democracy is the train we ride to our ultimate objective."
    True words of a muslim (Erdogan) ! Wake up Europe!


    Germany Turkey: Police protection for satirist Boehmermann over Erdogan poem

    A German TV comic, Jan Boehmermann, has been placed under police protection after he read an obscene poem about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    A police spokesperson said a patrol car had been parked in front of his house.
    Mr Erdogan has filed a criminal complaint against the satirist in a case that has prompted a debate in Germany over freedom of speech.
    German prosecutors are investigating whether he broke a law against insulting foreign leaders.
    Public broadcaster ZDF announced earlier on Tuesday that his weekly satire programme would not go ahead this week because of the "vast amount of media reporting and the resulting focus on the programme and its presenter".
    It was not immediately clear if a concrete threat had been made against Boehmermann but Cologne police told German media: "When you can't rule something out then you have to do something."
    Bild website reported that the satirist and his family were apparently facing a threat from supporters of the Turkish president. No request for protection measures had come from the comic but were a result of risk analysis, reports said.
    To some the poem was puerile, vulgar and irresponsible at a time when Europe needs Turkish help in the refugee crisis.
    To others it was an ingenious work of subversive art, which highlighted the importance of freedom of speech: a sketch in which even President Erdogan is now playing his part.
    Either way, Jan Boehmermann always goes a step further than polite society generally allows. Clever, funny and complicated, he has singlehandedly revolutionised German state broadcasting.
    During the height of tensions between Athens and Berlin over the Greek debt crisis Boehmermann portrayed Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis as a vengeful motorbike-riding sex bomb. But it was his fellow Germans, and the rest of the media establishment, that the comedian was mocking.
    A jaunty 1930's-style Springtime for Hitler remake wittily highlighted the similarities between the views of the anti-migrant party AfD and Nazi-era politics.
    Even refugee helpers have been fair game, as Boehmermann mercilessly portrayed modern, multi-cultural Germans as a self-righteous unstoppable horde of muesli-eating, Birkenstock-wearing sexual perverts.

    But for Boehmermann's many fans the fear is now that taking on Turkey's president has been a step too far.
    Boehmermann, considered Germany's most incisive satirist, had read the obscene poem on his Neo Magazin Royale programme on 31 March, making clear that it included material that broke German laws on free speech. Section 103 of the criminal code bans insulting representatives or organs belonging to foreign states.
    In particular, the poem made references to Erdogan having sex with goats and sheep, as well as repression of Turkish minorities.
    Days earlier, another German TV programme that poked fun at President Erdogan had prompted the Turkish government to summon the German ambassador in protest.
    On that occasion, both Germany and the EU insisted that press freedom was inviolable.
    However, Chancellor Angela Merkel became involved in the latest row, when she told Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu that Boehmermann's poem had been "deliberately offensive". The poem itself has been removed from ZDF's website.
    Although a number of viewers complained about the broadcast, Chancellor Merkel has herself been criticised by political opponents for jeopardising freedom of speech in order to shore up the EU-Turkey deal on returning migrants from the Greek islands.
    Hannelore Kraft, state premier of North-Rhine Westphalia where the satirist lives, tweeted that freedom of satire was part of German democracy: "This should not be put in doubt. Certainly not through external political pressure."
    Mrs Merkel emphasised on Tuesday that the deal with Turkey bore no relation to the legal action facing Jan Boehmermann. "Freedom of the press, opinion and
    science apply and are completely separate from that," she insisted.The German chancellor had been expected to visit Turkey in the coming days, to open facilities built for refugees with EU funding. However, her spokesman made clear on Monday that there were no immediate plans for a trip.
    Germany Turkey: Police protection for satirist Boehmermann over Erdogan poem - BBC News

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    The government has said it will consider the Turkish request, adding that Chancellor Angela Merkel saw freedom of speech as non-negotiable.
    But it's not true in Germany or anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
    Jan Boehmermann made clear before he read the poem that it contained allegations that breached German rules on free speech.
    So, a deliberately unlawful provocation.

    Can't really complain about it being deleted by the public broadcast ZDF.

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