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    Looks Polish to me.

    Maybe it wasn't meant to include them but an EU resident, whether "migrant" or "born and bred", surely aren't going to be discriminated treated differently? I am presuming the "migrant" definition is anybody originating outside the EU, also that the said "migrant" has "leave to remain" or some such status. Which I believe means he's now "one of us" income, VAT, property and investment tax paying, EU citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Maybe it wasn't meant to include them but an EU resident, whether "migrant" or "born and bred", surely aren't going to be discriminated treated differently?
    Yes, they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I am presuming the "migrant" definition is anybody originating outside the EU,
    Yes, that's how I read it.

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    also that the said "migrant" has "leave to remain" or some such status. Which I believe means he's now "one of us" income, VAT, property and investment tax paying, EU citizens.
    No, it says:

    "..that they sit (and pass) these tests once they are in the country in order to be granted leave to remain."

    Which means he's still a foreign migrant worker without leave (permission) to remain, and he/she won't get it until he/she passes the test.

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    Very interesting discussion here...

    My opinion is from the other side of the fence - a visa applicant from a 3rd world country.

    In 2014, I applied for a US visa. Prior to the US visa application, I had already traveled to several countries. For my US application, I had complete documents - cert of employment, tax return, letter from employer (approval of leave), etc. I had also consulted with Davis, since I knew that he had experience in visa matters for Filipinos. Davis gave me great advice, and I also read up a lot re: the visa interview process as there are lots of blogs out there. I am gainfully employed, in a white-collar job, could speak English well and had genuine reason to return to my home country. In the end, I was granted a 10-year multiple entry visa. I stayed in the US for 3 weeks and after that returned to my job & country.

    Davis told me that Thais and Filipinos are notorious as visa-overstayers, so immigration officials are naturally wary. The visa applicant has to provide proof of the legitimacy of the stay in the US/UK/Aus, etc, and to prove that he/she will return to his/her country of residence after the visit.

    Since then, I have had colleagues who have been approved of US visas; all of them have sponsors/relatives in the US. One of them, who is very well-travelled, got a 10-year multiple entry visa. The other, who has only 1 previous travel (in SEA), got a single entry visa.

    However, I also know of a colleague who was denied recently for an OECD visa. To my knowledge, her documents were complete (invitation letter, cert of employment, property ownership, etc), but her status in my company is part-time, so that may have affected her application. Also, she doesn't have any recent travel abroad. Her only travel abroad was more than 15 years ago, so it wasn't counted as "recent travel experience".

    All these colleagues that I speak of are college graduates and can speak English well, so language was not an impediment.

    In the end, the papers have to be complete (including financial status). Also, if there's an interview, the applicant must be able to answer the questions well, so that the visa will be approved.

    Addendum: during my visa interview, while waiting for my number to be called, I sat beside a 70+ y.o. woman. She didn't speak English well, and asked for an interpreter. She wanted to visit her daughter in Hawaii. That woman's visa was approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katie23 View Post

    Davis told me that Thais and Filipinos are notorious as visa-overstayers, so immigration officials are naturally wary.
    Minor correction. I believe I only said Filipinos. This is why the US Embassy in Manila is the only US Embassy in the world to have an INS Visa Fraud section - the only one outside of the US.

    Thais don't transplant as well as Filipinos, nor do they have the burning desire to get out of their own country.

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    ^ Thanx, I sit corrected. It was almost 2 years ago and I've forgotten some details.

    During my wait for the visa interview, there was a family (mom, dad, 2 kids) being interviewed at a window. They (or the parents) were interrogated well, and they all left the window with smiling faces. They looked hi-so. Well, they probably were hi-so, if they could afford to bring the whole family for tourism to the US! Another gal before me (professional, well-dressed in a suit, mid 20-30s) was interviewed for such a long time. While she was being interviewed, I was sitting and hoping that I wouldn't be interviewed at THAT window. I think she was approved but she had a harrowing experience. Lady luck decided to be perverse and assigned me to THAT window too! But, I was able to satisfactorily answer the questions and the consul approved my visa. So yay!

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    I have found another UK Immigration document.

    Immigration Directorate Instruction
    Family Migration:
    Part 8: Annex F
    Adequate Maintenance &
    Accommodation

    It appears to be aimed at Immigration Officers.

    The gist of the accommodation and maintenance appears to be that the sponsor or applicant must meet the same standards that UK citizens adhere too. This come from a high court judgement that all UK citizens must adhere to UK standards in this case, regarding accommodation and financial matters and that immigration policy should not allow immigrants to "live" in a situation which does not reach the UK standard. Even if the immigrants are willing to.

    Accommodation has to be legally owned or rented, it has to have the required number of rooms/bedrooms. If living with family members then evidence from them indication the above, and permission to be accommodated, is required.

    Maintenance follows the same guidelines. Citizens of the UK are able to claim benefits if they have a small income. These are many and will apply to some or not.

    The official definition of being able to show one has enough income or cash to pass the test of exceeding what a standard UK citizen could claim, and be awarded, in benefits. Not as I originally believed a fixed amount.

    Here is the link to the very straightforward and "possibly" pertinent document.



    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._8_Annex_F.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I have found another UK Immigration document.

    Immigration Directorate Instruction
    Family Migration:
    Part 8: Annex F
    Adequate Maintenance &
    Accommodation

    It appears to be aimed at Immigration Officers.

    The gist of the accommodation and maintenance appears to be that the sponsor or applicant must meet the same standards that UK citizens adhere too. This come from a high court judgement that all UK citizens must adhere to UK standards in this case, regarding accommodation and financial matters and that immigration policy should not allow immigrants to "live" in a situation which does not reach the UK standard. Even if the immigrants are willing to.

    Accommodation has to be legally owned or rented, it has to have the required number of rooms/bedrooms. If living with family members then evidence from them indication the above, and permission to be accommodated, is required.

    Maintenance follows the same guidelines. Citizens of the UK are able to claim benefits if they have a small income. These are many and will apply to some or not.

    The official definition of being able to show one has enough income or cash to pass the test of exceeding what a standard UK citizen could claim, and be awarded, in benefits. Not as I originally believed a fixed amount.

    Here is the link to the very straightforward and "possibly" pertinent document.



    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._8_Annex_F.pdf
    I don't think that applies in this case though. The woman is applying for a tourist visa. S
    When I'm on Holiday I'll sleep on peoples couch or in a hostel for example which wouldn't be considered a UK 'standard of living'.
    I think this information applies to immigration applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    No, it says: "..that they sit (and pass) these tests once they are in the country in order to be granted leave to remain."
    Yes, you are correct. I'll go for the my punishment now.





    Another document, for the public, is this which states the relevant laws etc. that apply. Including the fact that no UK benefits applying to British citizens can be claimed by the "visitor". One assumes this includes married pension entitlement.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigrat...stay-in-the-uk

    Does anybody know how long a UK visa, once granted, is valid for entry? A Thai visa is valid for one year from the date of issue. This means a person may be grated a Thai visa in say February 2016 and it is still valid, for entry, until 364 days after the date of issue. Is the same for UK "holiday" visas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    I don't think that applies in this case though. The woman is applying for a tourist visa. S When I'm on Holiday I'll sleep on peoples couch or in a hostel for example which wouldn't be considered a UK 'standard of living'. I think this information applies to immigration applications.
    The holiday visa applicant has to show they can afford accommodation and living expenses. If they state they are staying with friends or family members the accepted documentation has to be provided with the application.. The accepted documentation should indicate where one will be staying and details of the owner, financially and accommodation wise. That's what appears to be indicated in the holiday visa application form.

    But I maybe wrong.


    Maybe you have visited friends in countries where no holiday visa is required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I have found another UK Immigration document.

    Immigration Directorate Instruction
    Family Migration:
    Part 8: Annex F
    Adequate Maintenance &
    Accommodation

    <<<<< cut >>>>>

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload..._8_Annex_F.pdf
    I don't think that applies in this case though. The woman is applying for a tourist visa.
    I agree.

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    Could not determine from the opening post if it was a village marriage or a legal marriage as required by UK immi

    without all the facts hard to understand the refusal

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    Facts, what's this facts malarky. We don't need no stinking facts, to let rip here.

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