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    Boy cuts off own hand after blasphemy mistake: Punjab police

    AHORE: A 15-year-old boy near Lahore cut off his own hand believing he had committed blasphemy, only to be celebrated by his parents and neighbours for the act, police told AFP Friday.Local police chief Nausher Ahmed described how an imam told a gathering at a village mosque that those who love the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) always say their prayers, then asked who among the crowd had stopped praying.

    The boy raised his hand by mistake after apparently mishearing the question.

    The crowd swiftly accused him of blasphemy so he went to his house and cut off the hand he had raised, put it on a plate, and presented it to the cleric, the police chief said.

    The incident took place at a village in Hujra Shah Muqeem town, some 125 kilometres (77 miles) south of Lahore, the capital of Punjab province, about four days ago, according to the policeman.

    Ahmed said that he has seen a video in which the boy is greeted by villagers in the street as his parents proclaim their pride.

    No complaint has been made, he said, so no police report has been filed and there will be no investigation.


    Boy cuts off own hand after blasphemy mistake: Punjab police - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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    His name is Andy.

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    Easy to see how easily brainwashed these people can be, and used by whoever for their own agenda if the silly twat cuts his own hand off.

    A few years ago I Used to defend the mussies but the more I read of stupid acts like this it becomes apparant how dangerous they could potentially be in the name of their God.
    You bullied, you laughed, you lied, you lost!

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    Just like the condoning of paedophile priests, it takes a "whole village" to perpetuate the sickness.
    It usually begins within ones own family. Sad indeed.

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    The crowd swiftly accused him of blasphemy so he went to his house and cut off the hand he had raised, put it on a plate, and presented it to the cleric, the police chief said.
    Amazing. He managed to cut off his own hand, presumably felt little or no pain and lost little or no blood and became the pride of the village. I don't believe it.

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    Search liveleak if you don't believe in such things bro... real eye opener (bad choice of words)

    People burned to death, decapitated, raped, stoned (no, not stoned like me) the throwing rocks version..

    Nah... second thoughts, don't go near liveleak.. sometimes better to be ignorant of the atrocities in this world.. (not saying you are ignorant) you know what I mean..

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    Religion really is a form of mental illness.

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    ^^^ Same could be said for marriage (lol).

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    ^ ^

    So true that Bob,

    Anyone who needs the religious crutch can never truly be free or an independent thinker.

    Never can trust a religious nut case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    Religion really is a form of mental illness.
    i'm not certain that's 100% true but may be in some cases

    those born into religion have a tough job getting out of its clutches

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeCoffee View Post

    Same could be said for marriage (lol).


    One of the biggest reasons that I do not do marriage is that the Vow one takes is flawed, not reasonable and illogical.

    To say that you be faithful and love that one person in sickness and health till the end of your living days is a ridiculous prospect at best.

    Have a look at the guys on this forum who take the oath yet run around doing whores and the millions of divorced people getting around the place.

    The vows are a total load of shit huh.

    It should go like this.....

    I promise to stay with you until I don't like you anymore and then I'm off.

    The female must swear the same oath.

    Much more practical innit.
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    you can make your own vows you know tel

    i was once called as a witness to a minor crime and refused to do the biblical oath that they present you with
    there is a secular choice instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^ ^

    So true that Bob,

    Anyone who needs the religious crutch can never truly be free or an independent thinker.

    Never can trust a religious nut case.
    NO! I saw that many times in the police department, and while working for a law firm that defended them. One clown would suddenly "find the lord" and think his ticket to heaven was confessing and snitching off his buddies for every "wrong" thing they ever did.
    They have that weird kind of so called "morality" that does not include loyalty to others.

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    i'm in the process of watching that incredible documentary series 'making a murderer' and one of the witnesses reckon the lord guided her to the incriminating vehicle

    fukking nuts that this sort of nonsense is allowed in a court of law...albeit a seppo court

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    Sad story. Now the boy's life is ruined before it even really started as because of some dumb-ass cleric who doesn't give a damn about one or any of his "flock".

    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Never can trust a religious nut case.
    I have always harboured a minuscule amount of mistrust for anyone who proclaims to be religious.
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    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
    I apologize if any offence was caused. unless it was intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon View Post

    You can make your own vows you know tel.

    Well, I don't do Vows. I go on good old fashion feelings.

    My feelings have always been correct when relationships have gone tits up.

    When it's over it's over, easy as that and no bullshit peace of paper will ever change that my friend.

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    One thing's for certain - he's not gonna be clapping at the next honour killing, yes.

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    ^ I agree somewhat (with religion being an illness)... (not marriage Pee, marriage is fooking great!)

    The day is coming when Science will absolutely beyond a shadow of doubt, prove/demonstrate that the universe and everything in it, came about purely by natural occurrences.. i.e without the intervention of a supernatural power or supreme being... (oops... that's already been proven)...

    By virtue of knowing the universe is expanding exponentially, we can extrapolate
    the moment of creation and rewind time 14.6 billion years.

    Everything, including every planet/star/ every atom in our bodies, etc.. were compressed into a speck infinitely dense (there's a joke there for ya).. infinitely small (another one)..

    Anyway, you guys know the story as well as I do...

    Point being, there is no need for an all-mighty power of creation/god...he/she/it is surplus to requirements.. all we need is just basic physics/Science E = mc2


    Amen!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZdick1983
    By virtue of knowing the universe is expanding exponentially, we can extrapolate the moment of creation and rewind time 14.6 billion years.
    i find big bang theory less attractive the more i think about it

    multiverse theories appeal to me more

    if big bang was a natural event, then the chances are that they are going off constantly

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    Yes, I agree...

    There may well be an infinite number of big bangs happening simultaneously, absolutely CM.

    We may be living in one, of an infinite number of Universes... a bit like an ant thinking his universe ends within the confines of his tiny ant hill (thingy)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna
    Amazing. He managed to cut off his own hand, presumably felt little or no pain and lost little or no blood and became the pride of the village. I don't believe it.
    Check out the stump video from the BBC

    Pakistan 'blasphemy' boy 'doesn't regret cutting off hand'

    A Pakistani boy who cut off his own hand, believing he had committed blasphemy, says he does not regret his action.

    The 15-year-old raised his hand by accident when a cleric asked worshippers who did not believe in the teachings of the Holy Prophet to identify themselves.

    Admirers praising the boy's "devotional" act have travelled to his village to meet him, but his cleric has been arrested under anti-terrorism laws.
    BBC Urdu's Iram Abbasi is the first international broadcaster to speak to the boy.

    Some viewers may find the details in this report disturbing.


    Pakistan 'blasphemy' boy 'doesn't regret cutting off hand' - BBC News

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    The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand

    After a Pakistani boy cut off his own hand following a public accusation of blasphemy, BBC Urdu's Iram Abbasi travelled to his village in Punjab province to find out what happened. She is the first international broadcaster to speak to him. Some readers may find the details that follow disturbing.
    "Why should I feel any pain or trouble in cutting off the hand that was raised against the Holy Prophet?"

    Those are the words of 15-year-old Qaiser (not his real name) who chopped off his right hand just a few days ago believing he had committed blasphemy.

    Many believe fellow villagers started shaming the boy after the local cleric had made the accusation of blasphemy - and that is why Qaiser felt the need to prove his love for the Prophet Muhammad.

    On 11 January, Qaiser was attending a celebration of the Prophet's birth at a mosque in his village in north-eastern Punjab.

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    Media captionSpeaking to BBC Urdu's Iram Abbasi, the boy said; "I chopped off my hand... and showed the Imam" The cleric hosting it worked the crowd into a fervour and, a few hours into the celebration, called out: "Who among you is a follower of Muhammad?" Everyone raised their hands.

    He followed it with another question: "Who among you doesn't believe in the teachings of the Holy Prophet? Raise your hands!"

    Qaiser, mishearing, inadvertently raised his hand.

    Image caption The mosque was empty when the BBC visited - but the mood was intense during the sermon Witnessed by about 100 worshippers, the cleric immediately accused him of blasphemy and the boy returned home to prove his love for the Prophet - by cutting off his own hand.

    For a 15-year-old, Qaiser looked exceptionally frail when I met him. But his fight with pain and fear was outweighed by a sense of religious righteousness.

    "When I raised my right hand unwittingly, I realised I had committed blasphemy and needed to atone for this," he told the BBC.

    It appears it didn't matter to him whether it was a mistake or not - he couldn't live with the shame of the accusation without punishing himself, so had to undo it.

    "I came back home and went to the grass-cutting machine, but found the place dark so I took my uncle's phone to point some light at my hand. I placed it under the machine and chopped it off in a single swirl."



    Qaiser picked his severed hand up from under the machine and, bleeding profusely, placed it on a tray and took it back to the mosque, less than 100 metres from his home.

    Image caption The machine Qaiser used to cut off his hand Asked about everyone's reaction, he said: "They didn't say anything. A few people came forward to take me to the hospital, before I passed out."

    Religious fervour did not only override empathy among the villagers - even Qaiser does not seem disposed to self-pity.

    "I didn't feel any pain when I chopped it off so why would I feel any now? The hand that commits blasphemy should be chopped off," he said, with a restrained smile.

    His entire village is celebrating the act of expiation. The extreme nature of this "devotional" act has made Qaiser into a revered figure.

    He is being heralded among the villagers, and to a certain degree by himself, as a righteous hero. Most of his fellow villagers are illiterate and belong to an extremely conservative Islamic sect - their profoundly religious life is reflected in the mosques you find every few paces in this part of Pakistan. But Qaiser's act has even drawn admiration from surrounding villages.

    Image caption Qaiser's family are poor and can little afford to lose the hand of a future breadwinner Farooq, a man in his mid-thirties, was one of those who came to pay his respects. Appearing at Qaiser's home, he took the boy's left hand, kissed it and pressed it against his forehead. Following local custom, he also placed some cash in the pocket of the teenager he hails as a hero.

    "I heard that a boy sacrificed his own hand for the love of our Prophet. I came here to meet him."

    "The boy's gesture to show his love for the Prophet is unmatchable. I'm here to encourage him and to pay homage," he continued, his eyes brimming with tears of affection.

    Qaiser is the youngest of five children and the first to continue his school studies into his mid-teens. He had always been known for his strong religious convictions.



    Image caption Villagers in this conservative part of Pakistan have supported and praised Qaiser's action While Qaiser was having his wounds dressed in a poorly-equipped clinic, his father told us: "I hardly make ends meet."

    Breaking down, he added: "I don't even have money to pay the nurse. I also want a new hand for my son. My only solace is that he did for the Prophet."
    The cleric has been arrested under anti-terrorism laws, and denies charges of inciting hatred and violence. But the family does not want the cleric to be punished.

    That Qaiser punished himself so severely after being accused of blasphemy is unprecedented in Pakistan. But some say he may have been spared a worse fate in an increasingly conservative country, where people accused of blasphemy, or those who defend them, can end up victims of mob violence and lynching.

    In 2011, Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer was murdered by one of his own bodyguards in the capital, Islamabad, after criticising Pakistan's strict blasphemy laws and voicing support for a Christian woman sentenced to death for a blasphemy charge she denies.

    Another outspoken critic of Pakistan's blasphemy laws, Shahbaz Bhatti, the country's first minorities minister and a Christian, was also shot dead in 2011.

    Many will find the story of what Qaiser did to clear his name disturbing but it highlights the extreme sensitivity around the issue of blasphemy in Pakistan.
    What may have started as a simple misunderstanding went on to have life changing consequences for a child.

    The boy accused of blasphemy who cut off his hand - BBC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The crowd swiftly accused him of blasphemy so he went to his house and cut off the hand he had raised, put it on a plate, and presented it to the cleric, the police chief said.
    Amazing. He managed to cut off his own hand, presumably felt little or no pain and lost little or no blood and became the pride of the village. I don't believe it.
    This ain't كِتَاب أَلْف لَيْلَة وَلَيْلَة !

    This is the bitter truth about islam that can be read everyday in the news without commercial breaks.

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    Boy who cut off 'blasphemous hand' says he has no regrets



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    A Pakistani boy says he has no regrets about cutting off his own hand after being accused of blasphemy.

    In his first interview since the incident made global headlines, 15-year-old Qaiser told the BBC: "Why should I feel any pain or trouble in cutting off the hand that was raised against the Holy Prophet?"

    Qaiser took his drastic action after mistakenly raising his hand when an imam asked if anyone present did not believe in the teachings of Islam's holy prophet Mohammed.

    Although the story has horrified an international audience, it has made fewer waves in Pakistan where blasphemy remains an offence punishable by death – whether delivered by courts or mobs. Amputating his own hand may have saved his life.

    The episode began during a celebration of Mohammed's birthday at the mosque in Qaiser's home village in north-eastern Punjab.

    It was several hours into the ceremony on January 11 and the crowd had worked itself into a frenzy.

    The imam called out: "Who among you is a follower of Mohammed?"

    Everyone raised their hands.

    He followed it with another question: "Who among you doesn't believe in the teachings of the Holy Prophet? Raise your hands!"

    Qaiser says he misheard and raised his hand, thinking he was once again displaying his faith.

    The imam immediately accused him of blasphemy in front of 100 other worshippers.

    "When I raised my right hand unwittingly, I realised I had committed blasphemy and needed to atone for this," he said.

    He rushed home to put things right.

    "I came back home and went to the grass-cutting machine, but found the place dark so I took my uncle's phone to point some light at my hand. I placed it under the machine and chopped it off in a single swirl," he said.

    He picked up the severed hand, placed it on a tray and staggered back to the mosque, less than 100m from his home.

    When he passed out, villagers took him to hospital, and now treat him as a hero for putting right a wrong.

    His father said: "I don't even have money to pay the nurse. I also want a new hand for my son. My only solace is that he did it for the Prophet."

    Qaiser, who was always known as a pious boy, now wants to finish his studies.

    The cleric has been arrested under anti-terrorism laws.


    Boy who cut off 'blasphemous hand' says he has no regrets - Telegraph
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    Religion really is a form of mental illness.
    Agree,
    The reason is, they are brain washed with religion from birth, so know no difference.

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