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    U.S. government stops UK Muslim family boarding flight IN ENGLAND.

    US stops British Muslim family from boarding flight to visit Disneyland
    David Cameron to examine case amid heightened terror concerns
    Family of 11 had been granted authorisation to fly online in advance
    Eleven members of a British Muslim family were turned away at Gatwick airport from boarding a flight to California where they planned to visit Disneyland.

    A British Muslim family heading for Disneyland was barred from boarding a flight to Los Angeles by US authorities at London’s Gatwick airport amid concerns of an American overreaction to the perceived terrorist threat.

    US Department of Homeland Security officials provided no explanation for why the country refused to allow the family of 11 to board the planeeven though they had been granted travel authorization online ahead of their planned 15 December flight.

    Senior politicians have been drawn into the case, warning that a growing number of British Muslims are being barred from the US without being told the reason for their exclusion.


    Calls for David Cameron to step in after US bars British Muslim family from trip
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    Aides to the prime minister, David Cameron, have promised that he will examine the case, which comes as a leading community group in the US has warned that Muslims are being subject to “an unprecedented and dramatic increase” in violent and hostile incidents. Advocates attribute this increase to the recent terror attacks in Paris and the mass shooting in San Bernardino, California.

    Comments by the Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump calling for a ban on all Muslims entering the US have also contributed to the tense atmosphere.

    President Obama alluded to these comments in a speech earlier this month. “We betray our most noble past as well if we were to deny the possibility of movement, the possibility of progress, if we were to let cynicism consume us and fear overwhelm us,” Obama said.

    The case of the family from London who were turned back at the airport has been raised by the British Labour MP Stella Creasy, who believes a lack of information from US authorities is fuelling resentment within British Muslim communities.

    “Online and offline discussions reverberate with the growing fear UK Muslims are being ‘trumped’ – that widespread condemnation of Donald Trump’s call for no Muslim to be allowed into America contrasts with what is going on in practice,” Creasy writes in an article for the Guardian. She said she was in contact with at least one other constituent who had had a similar experience.

    US Homeland Security officials did not respond to a request for comment on why the family had been stopped from entering the country.

    The family planned to visit cousins in southern California and go to Disneyland and Universal Studios, but they were turned away by US officials while at the departure lounge.

    A Downing Street spokeswoman said Cameron would consider the issues raised in Creasy’s letter and respond in due course. The prime minister has already described Trump’s remarks as “stupid, divisive and wrong”.

    Mohammad Tariq Mahmood was one of the family members turned away from the flight. He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children. Mahmood told the Guardian that no officials had told them why their entry was barred, but he thinks the reason is “obvious”.

    “It’s because of the attacks on America – they think every Muslim poses a threat,” Mahmood said.

    He said the children had been counting down the days to the trip for months, and were devastated not to be able to visit their cousins as planned.

    He said that the airline told them that they would not be refunded the $13,340 cost of their flights. They were also forced to return everything they bought at the airport’s duty-free shops before being escorted from the airport.

    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life. I work here, I have a business here. But we were alienated,” Mahmood said.

    Creasy, having “hit a brick wall” in her own attempts to get answers from the American embassy, has asked the prime minister to press US officials for an explanation for the Mahmood family’s exclusion.

    She has also asked him to clarify whether the UK monitors the numbers and ethnic or religious background of those who are blocked from travelling, to “help reassure all UK citizens that no discrimination on the grounds of faith is happening at UK airports”.

    Two days after the family was stopped from boarding their flight, another British traveller, Ajmal Mansoor, an imam and lecturer based in Bristol, was turned away from boarding a flight to New York.

    “USA has the right to issue and revoke visa – I fully understand that,” Mansoor wrote in a Facebook post. “However not forwarding any reasons infuriates ordinary people. It does not win the hearts and minds of people, it turns them off. I am amazed how irrational these processes are but does USA care about what you and I think? I don’t think so!”

    The US embassy in London did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
    US stops British Muslim family from boarding flight to visit Disneyland | US news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life. I work here, I have a business here. But we were alienated,” Mahmood said.
    I'm sorry Mahmood the problem is caused by your mussie bros , take it up with them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan View Post
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    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life. I work here, I have a business here. But we were alienated,” Mahmood said.
    I'm sorry Mahmood the problem is caused by your mussie bros , take it up with them .
    I'm sorry, Mahmood. The problem is caused by the boogie men in scared little minds, causing delusions and bigotry.

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    Do people / kids feel uncomfortable when...



    the color black is arround ?

    The color black relates to the hidden, the secretive and the unknown, and as a result it creates an air of mystery. It keeps things bottled up inside, hidden from the world.
    In color psychology this color gives protection from external emotional stress.
    It creates a barrier between itself and the outside world, providing comfort while protecting its emotions and feelings, and hiding its vulnerabilities, insecurities and lack of self confidence.
    Black is the absorption of all color and the absence of light.
    Black hides, while white brings to light.
    What black covers, white uncovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    US Homeland Security officials did not respond to a request for comment on why the family had been stopped from entering the country.
    They bloody well ought to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    He said that the airline told them that they would not be refunded the $13,340 cost of their flights. They were also forced to return everything they bought at the airport’s duty-free shops before being escorted from the airport.
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    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life.
    My goodness, unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
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    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life. I work here, I have a business here. But we were alienated,” Mahmood said.
    I'm sorry Mahmood the problem is caused by your mussie bros , take it up with them .
    I'm sorry, Mahmood. The problem is caused by the boogie men in scared little minds, causing delusions and bigotry.
    Where does it say, stopped because they were Muslims, were all Muslims stopped.
    Could have been for 101 reasons, prior criminal history, that he didn't put on the visa application.
    Drug history, or on a watch list, up to the yanks who gets in.

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    Over $13,000 blown. There has to be more to this story. Wonder if it will ever come out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
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    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life. I work here, I have a business here. But we were alienated,” Mahmood said.
    I'm sorry Mahmood the problem is caused by your mussie bros , take it up with them .
    I'm sorry, Mahmood. The problem is caused by the boogie men in scared little minds, causing delusions and bigotry.
    Actually he'd do himself a big favour by criticising the US authorities for their arbitrary action AND criticising radical Muslims who have created this absurd climate of fear with their terrorist actions.

    But he won't do it, because his fellow "British" muslims would smash his windows in and torch his house and car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Actually he'd do himself a big favour by criticising the US authorities for their arbitrary action AND criticising radical Muslims who have created this absurd climate of fear with their terrorist actions.
    Why should he have to? Disapproving of psychotic murderers is generally a given and a constant demand that this disapproval be vocalised is itself psychotic. How often do you apologise for atrocities committed by the west?

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    He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children.
    Maybe Disneyland was full.

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    Mohammad Tariq Mahmood was one of the family members turned away from the flight. He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children. Mahmood told the Guardian that no officials had told them why their entry was barred, but he thinks the reason is “obvious”.
    obviously a name mix up

    Hakeem Muhammad Tariq Mehmood Jadoo Aur Jinnat 2014 1 - YouTube - Video Dailymotion

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    Quote Originally Posted by boloa View Post
    Mohammad Tariq Mahmood was one of the family members turned away from the flight. He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children. Mahmood told the Guardian that no officials had told them why their entry was barred, but he thinks the reason is “obvious”.
    obviously a name mix up

    Hakeem Muhammad Tariq Mehmood Jadoo Aur Jinnat 2014 1 - YouTube - Video Dailymotion
    From that link I'm guessing you know no Urdu? The man in the video is a Pakistani doctor who edits a nonviolent religious magazine. Did the beards and squiggly writing scare you?

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    You must remember, you can never, ever, underestimate the stupidity of the American systems when operated blindly by their government employees, many of whom are probably unemployable elsewhere.

    They operate No-Fly lists drawn from several sources and use these to identify possible security threats but the crudity of such systems often throw up "false positives" causing no end of grief for the unfortunate victims. Obtaining information to correct these is well nigh impossible since no one person can or will take responsibility.

    I recall a British journalist, Catherine Stevens, was denied boarding to the US some years ago and it only became known after some considerable adverse publicity ( she wrote for the Times I think ) that the septics had identified a contraction of her first name to "Cat" could link her to the famous British singer, Cat Stevens, who converted to Islam and was known as Yusuf Islam, who at the time was placed on a No Fly list because he was, well, a converted Muslim. That she was not a man and had a different date and place of birth didn't seem to cut much ice at the time.

    Generally speaking, when false positives are identified, the entry on the database should be amended to exclude the innocent parties so that they will not be denied boarding the next time they wish to fly. I don't think the septics do this and simply maintain a stubborn and rather stupid arrogance.

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    They were granted a visa, so they weren't on any list, under the details they submitted.
    So something changed between application and departure, what is anyone's guess, but they were not on a no fly list to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by boloa View Post
    Mohammad Tariq Mahmood was one of the family members turned away from the flight. He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children. Mahmood told the Guardian that no officials had told them why their entry was barred, but he thinks the reason is “obvious”.
    obviously a name mix up

    Hakeem Muhammad Tariq Mehmood Jadoo Aur Jinnat 2014 1 - YouTube - Video Dailymotion
    From that link I'm guessing you know no Urdu? The man in the video is a Pakistani doctor who edits a nonviolent religious magazine. Did the beards and squiggly writing scare you?

    No...but obviously the name Tariq Mahmood has rung a few bells with the USA Immigration ,maybe they think he is related...who knows !!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Mahmood_(detainee)
    Big Ol' Lucky Ol' Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans Mann View Post
    He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children.
    Maybe Disneyland was full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
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    He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children.
    Maybe Disneyland was full.
    England certainly is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boloa View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by boloa View Post
    Mohammad Tariq Mahmood was one of the family members turned away from the flight. He was travelling with his brother and nine of their children. Mahmood told the Guardian that no officials had told them why their entry was barred, but he thinks the reason is “obvious”.
    obviously a name mix up

    Hakeem Muhammad Tariq Mehmood Jadoo Aur Jinnat 2014 1 - YouTube - Video Dailymotion
    From that link I'm guessing you know no Urdu? The man in the video is a Pakistani doctor who edits a nonviolent religious magazine. Did the beards and squiggly writing scare you?

    No...but obviously the name Tariq Mahmood has rung a few bells with the USA Immigration ,maybe they think he is related...who knows !!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Mahmood_(detainee)

    Or maybe they don't like UKIP candidates. Who knows? I'm pretty sure that just googling Taruq Mahmood is unlikely to bring up any definite answers yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    They were granted a visa, so they weren't on any list, under the details they submitted.
    So something changed between application and departure, what is anyone's guess, but they were not on a no fly list to start.
    Different databases, searched differently, who knows. The possibility that the "no fly" lists were updated after visa issue and threw up a false positive linking this family is a possibility. But, that's the problem with "no fly" lists, they can never be implemented properly with any degree of commons sense. If a target suspect is entered on a database with three possible aliases, several different years of birth and may be travelling in any one of four nationalities, the likelihood of him being linked to a perfectly innocent party is considerable - if this guy and his family fetched up in JFK or Miami or wherever, the immigration officer would have discounted him from any possible "hit" and let him proceed.

    Doing this sort of stuff by numbers is useless really and the operation of "no fly " lists has been criticised in the US for several years for being ineffective, disruptive and a waste of resources.

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    The article and you are jumping to a conclusion that this is somehow terror related, yet there is nothing to support it.

    Australia has been stopping a lot of Muslims flying, over the last year or so, not terror related, but child brides.

    It could be something as simple, as they learnt the family had no valid reason to return to the UK, or a criminal conviction that was not disclosed on the original visa application.

    The article doesn't even tell who was stopped, whole family, wives or just the brother[s], investigative reporting not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Actually he'd do himself a big favour by criticising the US authorities for their arbitrary action AND criticising radical Muslims who have created this absurd climate of fear with their terrorist actions.
    Why should he have to? Disapproving of psychotic murderers is generally a given and a constant demand that this disapproval be vocalised is itself psychotic. How often do you apologise for atrocities committed by the west?
    How often do "The West" suicide bomb people then.

    Fuck me I must have missed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    The article and you are jumping to a conclusion that this is somehow terror related, yet there is nothing to support it.

    Australia has been stopping a lot of Muslims flying, over the last year or so, not terror related, but child brides.

    It could be something as simple, as they learnt the family had no valid reason to return to the UK, or a criminal conviction that was not disclosed on the original visa application.

    The article doesn't even tell who was stopped, whole family, wives or just the brother[s], investigative reporting not.
    Or more likely one of them goes drinking with some extremist nutter from the local mosque in Blackburn.

    DHS don't have to give reasons.

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    Did a bit off googling, BBC has more on it, seems 2 of the kids weren't theirs and Mahmood had been arrested previously, in, off all places Israel, unknown reason.
    Probably failed to mention that on his visa application, would appear more to the story, wonder if he told his local member the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
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    “I have never been more embarrassed in my life. I work here, I have a business here. But we were alienated,” Mahmood said.
    I'm sorry Mahmood the problem is caused by your mussie bros , take it up with them .
    I'm sorry, Mahmood. The problem is caused by the boogie men in scared little minds, causing delusions and bigotry.
    Was it the boogeyman that killed 14 in California?

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    May be they have intelligence that something big is going down around Christmas.
    After Lockerbee anyone that's in anyway connected to bad people won't fly stateside
    especially around Christmas.

    And then there's the return journey.
    Customs will have enough on their plates.

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