Thread: National Guard Deployed as Violence Engulfs Baltimore

Originally Posted by bowie

Fully expect Baltimore to go down the same primrose path that Ferguson has traveled. On the news today, (as it was with Ferguson), they have the same platform of reporting, identical, other than the location. Residents bemoaning the destruction of their community, i.e. the tragic death of Freddie Gray does not justify protests that devolve into rioting and looting, which, in effect, provide for the total destruction of the community...

And, how can breaking the cycle be accomplished?

It'll be just like what happened to Newark NJ in the sixties...employers will leave and never come back.

Originally Posted by wasabi

It's a self filling prophecy from Hollywood, movies of gun slingers in the saloons and streets of the Wild West.

No, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy if your city government is run by one certain party too long.

One thing I find hard to understand, all these anti police, black rights groups, Justice department investigations, list goes on and on.
Not one has come up with a method of policing for these areas, alright to say don't shoot. don't us physical force, harsh words etc, which equates to don't enforce the laws.
When the streets are run by gangs and dealers, businesses will not open in that area, less jobs, more crime and so it goes.

A real harsh lesson was given in New Orleans, Katrina saw the breakdown of order, no different then Ferguson or Baltimore, just on a larger scale. Police etc just left and walked away.

Places like Ferguson, which has little local income, now relay on outside police to try and keep some sort of order.
Who's going to pay, you, if you live in the US, when you call the cops there are none available, redeployed.

The black areas of Baltimore are now stuffed, no one black or white will want to open businesses there, will you even get insurance to cover riots, public looting.

Since the Rodney King deal, how many inquires, Justice Department investigations have been done, yet not one real proposal or plan to rectify the problems.

People want better police, their not going to get a good standard of cops applying to work in inner city war zones. Things will just get worse in these areas, no go zones, no police response to crime. South Africa, apartheid and it's the black political leaders pushing the segregation.

Lets hear what some of you think is the answer, not the airy fairy PC crap, but real solutions and how much are you will be pay to fix the problems.

This is not just a US problem, all western counties have ethnic ghettos, throwing money, welfare, community centers has not worked.

^ Jobs. Working keeps young men off the streets.

Originally Posted by misskit

^ Jobs. Working keeps young men off the streets.

Your an employer, do you open a factory in a gang banger, no go area, or in a safe area.
Should the government pay for subsidized or state owned businesses to open in these areas.
How about a lottery, forced integration, white people in good areas are forced to swap houses.

^No one has a magic wand. There is no easy solution to ghettos. As long as young men have nothing to do and no money, they will be drawn to crime.

If the US would stop sending work overseas which should be done by labor at home, there would be much more factory work available for young men. Don't see any reason a factory has to be built in a gang area to help. Workers migrate after jobs.

Originally Posted by misskit

^ Jobs. Working keeps young men off the streets.

Of course in order to get a job, it is preferable if the applicant can read and write, has a high school diploma, and no felony record. The same standards apply to joining the military.

Which lets out most of these wannabe gangbanger, looting, neighborhood- destroying scum. Not to mention that they earn far, far more from drug dealing and theft than they ever would from a minimum wage job, even if they had the inclination to get a job, which very few of them do.


Next................

^ There will always be an underclass which will never be employable for all those reasons.

Having a way out for anyone with any kind of motivation to work is important. Otherwise the problem grows and grows.

Originally Posted by Koojo

How about every white family 'adopts' an african American.
They could help out the housework and yardwork, fieldwork etc.

Think we're closing in on a workable plan here folks. Surprised nobody thought of this before. Green sent.

This woman didn't want her son to be another Freddie Gray.

Angry mother beats son for participating in Baltimore riots

Originally Posted by misskit

This woman didn't want her son to be another Freddie Gray.

Angry mother beats son for participating in Baltimore riots

Sorry misskit. Old news.

Oops. I hadn't been following the thread.

CNN today.
Obama.

[The President also talked about the state of urban communities. "If you send police officers into those situations where the drug trade is the primary economy and you say to them basically your job is to contain that and arrest kids and put them in jail, when those police officers know (it's not going to fix things), then it's not surprising you end up with a situation of enormous tension between those communities and those police officers," he said.]

Whats that mean, don't police drugs in these neighborhoods, it causes tension, lets hand over control of areas to the gangs and their dealers.
That will work fine, blacks having exclusive rights to drug dealing and enforcing street laws in their areas.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

The black areas of Baltimore are now stuffed, no one black or white will want to open businesses there, will you even get insurance to cover riots, public looting.

They were stuffed long before these riots. Baltimore is two different cities. The majority of it is a bombed out wasteland that looks like a war zone. Then you have the small well to do pockets of white folks.

I know many of you have seen The Wire. It is based on real life Baltimore and written by an ex-cop. I have been to Baltimore several times and trust me that show it spot on.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Lets hear what some of you think is the answer, not the airy fairy PC crap, but real solutions and how much are you will be pay to fix the problems.

A good start would be to stop shooting black men in the back or breaking their necks while in custody.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Lets hear what some of you think is the answer, not the airy fairy PC crap, but real solutions and how much are you will be pay to fix the problems.

A good start would be to stop shooting black men in the back or breaking their necks while in custody.

First, we don't know how the guys neck was broken, but if he was white, would that justify white riots.
Second, shooting fleeing suspects is legal, in some cases, not only in the US, but many countries.
So why have they not changed the laws, Obama is the big boss could he not pass federal laws governing the use of force, or local state governments do it themselves.

Would allowing felons or possible dangerous criminals to run away and escape make areas safer, or would everyone just run and crime increase.

Just out CNN

Freddie Gray death: New narratives emerge - CNN.com

Injuries may have been self inflicted according to another prisoner in the van.

The revolution will be televised.

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Originally Posted by jamescollister

Would allowing felons or possible dangerous criminals to run away and escape make areas safer, or would everyone just run and crime increase.

The problem is that sometime over the last 20 years or so, cops have become incredibly lazy and no longer want to get off their asses and run after suspects, tackle them to the ground and cuff them. They're even too lazy, it seems, to pull out the taser and prefer shooting people in the back. And don't give me this shit about "possible" dangerous felons. In alot of cases they were pulled over for simply being black. If you can't see that, then you are part of the problem.

A new piece of reporting from ABC suggests that the dearly departed Mr Gray was not beaten or tortured to death as so many of his brethren would like to believe....

ABC affiliate reported that the preliminary findings of the medical examiner suggest Gray's injury was caused when his head slammed into a bolt at the back of the police van.Law enforcement sources reportedly told ABC's WJLA that the preliminary investigation found no evidence that the 25-year-old was fatally injured during his videotaped arrest.

It's now being suggested that the injury that finally killed the guy was accidental....likely caused by trashing around and hitting his head on a "bolt" or maybe a door hinge, or something of that sort.

Strange how these mass outbreaks of burning, looting and rioting break out before it's even established that the cops did anything wrong. Mr, Gray was fleeing from arrest in a high crime area; in possession of a switchblade, and by some accounts caused his own injuries.

This was nothing like a shooting of an unarmed "young boy" or anything of the sort that has become the standard excuse for an orgy of rioting, looting and torching buildings.

These people are so fucking stupid they burn down their local drug stores and convenience stores.....frequently owned/operated by Asian's who always manage to find work and make a living even in these wastelands of the rustbelt.

Here are the real victims in all this....and there are many of them.....


This is the Baltimore police commissioner.....


And just about everybody else in a position of authority here, happens to be a black person....

"If, with the nation watching, three black women at three different levels can't get justice and healing for this community, you tell me where we're going to get it in our country," she said, referring to herself, the prosecutor investigating the case and newly sworn in Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

Lynch oversees the Justice Department, which is also investigating Gray's death.

Well ladies, you might want to start with these people......

This sort of thing happens too much. The response of disempowered people is to riot. Don't start addressng and getting to the roots of the issue, the riots will sporadically break out, and only get worse. And then Big Biz will start losing money- carnt have that, can we? So get to the roots of the issue. Too many people die or are seriously injured by US Police, in situations where they pose no threat. Most, but not all of them Black.

Originally Posted by misskit

^ Jobs. Working keeps young men off the streets.

Be careful misskit. There are many here who think working is evil and should not be part of someones life.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Would allowing felons or possible dangerous criminals to run away and escape make areas safer, or would everyone just run and crime increase.

The problem is that sometime over the last 20 years or so, cops have become incredibly lazy and no longer want to get off their asses and run after suspects, tackle them to the ground and cuff them. They're even too lazy, it seems, to pull out the taser and prefer shooting people in the back. And don't give me this shit about "possible" dangerous felons. In alot of cases they were pulled over for simply being black. If you can't see that, then you are part of the problem.

This case is about cops not using weapons, but tackling a suspect and allegedly breaking his neck.
Who gives a shit about dangerous felons, the Government, as they write the laws, not the police.
It's the government that makes laws, the police enforce them, are you saying police should only enforce laws they like.

So why has the government not changed the use of force rules, because they like them, now who's at fault, cops doing their duty as per the laws, or the politicians who make these laws.