Thread: China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

Originally Posted by Looper

China voices anger at G7 comments on disputed islands

China has said G7 nations should "stop making irresponsible remarks" after foreign ministers released a statement on maritime territorial disputes.

The ministers, meeting in Japan, said they opposed "any intimidating coercive or provocative unilateral actions" that could increase tension.
China claims almost all the South China Sea and areas of the East China Sea, angering neighbours who have competing claims.



It has also been reclaiming land.

Experts say satellite images of the reclamation work could indicate that China may be steadily militarising the islands it is creating or expanding.

Read more on the South China Sea:

• China's Island Factory in the South China Sea
• Flying close to Beijing's new South China Sea islands
• What is the South China Sea dispute about?
• How uninhabited islands soured China-Japan ties

The foreign ministers of the G7 group of industrialised nations - US, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan - did not explicitly mention China in their statement.

But they called on all states to "refrain from such actions as land reclamations" and building outposts "for military purposes" that could risk stability or change the status quo.

Disputes should be solved "in good faith and in accordance with international law," they said.

In his response, China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang reiterated China's belief it has a legitimate claim to the territory.

He urged the foreign ministers to "stop making irresponsible remarks and all irresponsible actions, and truly play a constructive role for regional peace and stability".

China voices anger at G7 comments on disputed islands - BBC News

Think back to when America talked about going into Iraq, there were full page photo's of a site with pointer's showing missiles, chemical tank's etc, the same as these photo's, all propaganda, turned out none of it was true.

The fishing fleet based in a tiny port town on Hainan island is getting everything from military training and subsidies to even fuel and ice as China creates an increasingly sophisticated fishing militia to sail into the disputed South China Sea.


China's secret maritime militia: Fishermen the forward guard in South China Sea dispute - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


China trains 'fishing militia' to sail into disputed waters | Reuters


China's fishermen on the front line in the South China Sea

Where is Captain Nemo and the Nautilus when you need them.

It appears that the Chinese legal team have been studying, at last, the law which Ameristan continues to hold dear, even though it hasn't ratified it, in it's own parliament (UNCLOS).

There are within UNCLOS different rules for merchant ships and warships.

"Article 30
Non-compliance by warships with the laws and regulations of the coastal State

If any warship does not comply with the laws and regulations of the coastal State concerning passage through the territorial sea and disregards any request for compliance therewith which is made to it, the coastal State may require it to leave the territorial sea immediately.

Article 31
Responsibility of the flag State for damage caused by a warship or other government ship operated for non-commercial purposes

The flag State [the foreign ships] shall bear international responsibility for any loss or damage to the coastal State resulting from the non-compliance by a warship or other government ship operated for non-commercial purposes with the laws and regulations of the coastal State concerning passage through the territorial sea or with the provisions of this Convention or other rules of international law."


China opposes US distortion of navigation freedom: spokesman

China opposes US distortion of navigation freedom: spokesman - Global Times



"According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), foreign vessels enjoy the right of innocent passage through territorial seas, but military vessels are not endowed with the same right, said Lu."


As UNCLOS allows coastal states, China, to enforce it's national laws within it's boundaries. As many warships are capable of using nuclear tipped weapons. Whether admitted or not by the foreign ships captain. They are bound by them and must allow for their adherance.



"Article 21
Laws and regulations of the coastal State relating to innocent passage

1. The coastal State may adopt laws and regulations, in conformity with the provisions of this Convention and other rules of international law, relating to innocent passage through the territorial sea, in respect of all or any of the following:

(a) the safety of navigation and the regulation of maritime traffic;
(b) the protection of navigational aids and facilities and other facilities or installations;
(c) the protection of cables and pipelines;
(d) the conservation of the living resources of the sea;
(e) the prevention of infringement of the fisheries laws and regulations of the coastal State;
(f) the preservation of the environment of the coastal State and the prevention, reduction and control of pollution thereof;
(g) marine scientific research and hydrographic surveys;
(h) the prevention of infringement of the customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations of the coastal State.
2. Such laws and regulations shall not apply to the design, construction, manning or equipment of foreign ships unless they are giving effect to generally accepted international rules or standards.
3. The coastal State shall give due publicity to all such laws and regulations.
4. Foreign ships exercising the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea shall comply with all such laws and regulations and all generally accepted international regulations relating to the prevention of collisions at sea.

Article 23
Foreign nuclear-powered ships and ships carrying nuclear or other inherently dangerous or noxious substances


Foreign nuclear-powered ships and ships carrying nuclear or other inherently dangerous or noxious substances shall, when exercising the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea, carry documents and observe special precautionary measures established for such ships by international agreements."


Presumably the "Carried Documents" must be shown for inspection and any doubtful seaman may if they so desire, request the ship to stop, board the ship, request the documents and inspect the ship to ensure compliance with the documents.


If in compliance the said ship may proceed on it's way, unhindered. If not in compliance the master must presumably immediately surrender his ship, personnel and cargo to the offended coastal state. Who may presumably make arrangements for the personnel to be sent back to their own country. The coastal state has an opportunity to thoroughly inspect the ship, which of course may take some time and damage some equipment.


Or will Ameristan and it's vassal states, ignore the UNCLOS agreement, they hold so dear and revert to their natural "bombing back to the stone age" personality?



They allegedly have sailed blindly through a nations territorial sea and ignored Chinese military forces requests to "go away" [UNCLOS terminilogy "leave the territorial sea immediately"].

Chinese vessels have been reportedly dumping chemicals in the surrounding waters of Pag-asa Island and harming the marine life in an effort to kill the island’s economy. As the number of civilians leaving because of a lack of fish increases, the Chinese get closer to taking over the land.

China Dumps Chemicals In Ocean To Drive Fishermen Away From Disputed Island

^All based on a facebook page and "unnamed civilians". A reliable source you found there?



Your link takes one to this:

China Dumps Chemicals to Kill Fish Around Disputed Island to Drive Away Fishermen

Which takes one to this:

https://www.facebook.com/Kalayaan-AT...61763/?fref=ts

SCO supports peace and stability in South China Sea

Source:Xinhua Published: 2016-5-25 847

SCO supports peace and stability in South China Sea - Global Times

"Countries of Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) on Tuesday expressed support for maintaining peace and stability in Asia-Pacific region, including the South China Sea.

In a statement of SCO Secretary-General Rashid Olimov on South China Sea issue, all SCO countries agreed and supported China's efforts made to safeguard peace and stability in the South China Sea.

They also voiced support for any country in the Asia-Pacific region to promote a peaceful, friendly and harmonious environment in the South China Sea.

The SCO member states stressed the UN Charter, UN Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence and other international laws should be the basic principles when addressing the South China Sea issue.

Directly concerned states should resolve disputes through negotiation and consultation in accordance with all bilateral treaties and the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), the statement said.

It urged to respect the right of every sovereign state to decide by itself the dispute resolution methods, and strongly opposed outsiders' intervention into the South China Sea issue, as well as the attempt to internationalize the dispute. "


It seems the Chinese have many international laws or agreements to select from that could be a basis for peaceful, bilateral negotiations. I wonder why these avenues haven't been utilised prior to Ameristan sticking it's nose in other countries affairs?How can Ameristan "normalise" it's relationship with Vietnam and offer trade and weapons to it when it is by far the country which currently, occupies the most Islands/reefs/sandbanks etc. in the South China Sea?

Or would that question be unanswerable, even for an unexceptional empire state.

From the same SCO meeting.

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM - Global Times


"In a speech before leaving Hanoi on Tuesday, the US president said he would uphold the key principles of freedom of navigation and regional order together with his partners while admitting the US is not a claimant.

"Every time the US brings about freedom of navigation, I think it should first make clear whether it is talking about the real freedom of navigation enjoyed by all countries under international law or a 'freedom' exclusive to US military vessels and planes to do whatever they want," Hua Chunying, spokeswoman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told a daily briefing on Tuesday.

"If it is the first one, we will surely welcome and stand for it. Otherwise, I believe the entire world would say 'no' to it," Hua said."

Apparently the Chines are asking for clarity regarding the Ameristani position on "freedom of navigation. Allegedly it is contrary to the actual laws, as written and adhered too by the international community.

One hopes the reply isn't "sign the agreement and then we will tell you what's in it" attitude some others are willing to comply with.

Originally Posted by OhOh

From the same SCO meeting.

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM

US should respect rules on regional peace, stability: FM - Global Times


"In a speech before leaving Hanoi on Tuesday, the US president said he would uphold the key principles of freedom of navigation and regional order together with his partners while admitting the US is not a claimant.

"Every time the US brings about freedom of navigation, I think it should first make clear whether it is talking about the real freedom of navigation enjoyed by all countries under international law or a 'freedom' exclusive to US military vessels and planes to do whatever they want," Hua Chunying, spokeswoman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, told a daily briefing on Tuesday.

"If it is the first one, we will surely welcome and stand for it. Otherwise, I believe the entire world would say 'no' to it," Hua said."

Apparently the Chines are asking for clarity regarding the Ameristani position on "freedom of navigation. Allegedly it is contrary to the actual laws, as written and adhered too by the international community.

One hopes the reply isn't "sign the agreement and then we will tell you what's in it" attitude some others are willing to comply with.

I think the Americans would insist on the term 'internationally recognized'.
The chinks claim to territorial waters is preposterous.

There was a good piece on the SCS on Sky News yesterday.

Unfortunately there was no sound on the two accompanying video reports when I played them.

Lifting of Vietnam Arms Ban Sparks War of Words in South China Sea

China's state media have hit out at the lifting of the U.S. government's 41-year-old arms embargo on Vietnam, as analysts said the regional war of words could exacerbate small-scale, localized confrontation.

While U.S. officials have said the move wasn't made with Beijing in mind, official media controlled by the ruling Chinese Communist Party struck a warning note in editorials likely to have been approved at the highest level this week.

"Obama claimed that this move is not aimed at China, yet this is only a very poor lie which reveals the truth - exacerbating the strategic antagonism between Washington and Beijing," the Global Times newspaper, which has close ties to the ruling party, wrote in a opinion piece on Tuesday.

"Trade in arms between the U.S. and Vietnam, two nations with completely different political systems, is of great symbolic significance," the paper said.

In a separate article, it warned that Beijing could be "forced to resort to militarization" amid growing tensions in the South China Sea.

"The situation in [these] waters will be more tense, conflicts and even clashes will be more likely to break out between China and the U.S.," the paper said.

Analysts said Washington's "pivot to Asia" policy looks likely to continue to ruffle feathers in Beijing, prompting further militarization of disputed reefs and islands in the busy shipping lanes of the South China Sea.

"There is a perception in the international community that the U.S. has strengthened its naval presence in the South China Sea," Taiwan military affairs commentator Zheng Shaoru told RFA on Wednesday.

"I think that the U.S. is playing a game of psychological warfare with China; a war of words that will keep up the pressure on Beijing," Zheng said. "But Beijing has also stepped up its military presence in the South China Sea."

"What's worrying about that is that there is an increased risk of accidental engagement," he said.

But Hong Kong political commentator Camoes Tam said U.S. military personnel are unlikely to brush with their Chinese counterparts in the disputed waters.

'Might is right'

"If China sees [U.S. presence] within the area, it will pretend it didn't see them, but if you are a small coastguard or fishing vessel from a smaller country like the Philippines or Vietnam, then they will detain you first and ask questions later," Tam said.

"Might is right in this scenario, and the big guys bully the smaller ones," he said. "It's a question of picking on someone smaller than you, right across the South China Sea."

Xia Ming, political science lecturer at the College of Staten Island in New York, said the lifting of the arms ban by Obama during his trip to Vietnam is part and parcel of the U.S. "pivot to Asia" policy.

"Back when ties between China and Vietnam soured in 1979, China and the United States were more closely allied," Xia said. "But now, the U.S. has brought Vietnam into the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

"U.S.-Vietnam relations have done a 180 degree turn," he said.

Wake Forest University researcher Li Weixin agreed.

"[It] is all tied in with their return to Subic Bay and Cam Ranh Bay," Li told RFA in a recent panel discussion. "It is part of the U.S. policy of re-balancing in the region."

He said Beijing has little to fear from Vietnam, arms ban or no arms ban, however.

"Vietnam doesn't have that much money, to go purchasing the latest military equipment," Li said. "And, even if they want it, it doesn't mean the other side will sell it to them."

Neither will it prove easy for Vietnam to integrate U.S. weaponry into its existing military hardware, he added.

"Vietnam also has a lot of Russian military equipment, and it won't be easy to integrate all of that," Li said. "It'll still be business as usual."

Lifting of Vietnam Arms Ban Sparks War of Words in South China Sea

Maybe outsourcing so many jobs, technology, manufacturing ability and wealth to China was not such a good idea after all.

We created, and continue to feed this monster China and the mess it's causing, now we have to live with it.

China's state media have hit out at the lifting of the U.S. government's 41-year-old arms embargo on Vietnam, as analysts said the regional war of words could exacerbate small-scale, localized confrontation.

While U.S. officials have said the move wasn't made with Beijing in mind, official media controlled by the ruling Chinese Communist Party struck a warning note in editorials likely to have been approved at the highest level this week.

I love it when the Chinese government/CCP cry like bitches

Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas

cry like bitches

They are immune to crying, hearing a pig squeal is music to their ears though.

China Paper Warns US of 'Price' to Pay in South China Sea

BEIJING—
The flagship newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party on Wednesday warned Washington that there would be a “price” to pay if it crosses China's “bottom line” by meddling in disputes over the South China Sea.

The People's Daily editorial comes as Beijing ramps up efforts to assert its stance ahead of a ruling by an international tribunal in a case filed by the Philippines challenging China's claims to most of the South China Sea. China is boycotting the case before The Hague-based court and says it will not accept the verdict.

The paper said that bilateral ties and regional stability were at stake and that the U.S. should recognize that “there is a bottom line with every issue, and a price will be paid if that line is crossed.”

“If the United States, regardless of the cost, chooses the path of `brinkmanship' that pressures and intimidates others, there will be only one result, that is, that the U.S. bears all the responsibility for possibly further heightening tensions in the South China Sea,” the editorial said.

“China has a solid-rock position over safeguarding China's national sovereignty and territorial integrity. It will not want anything that does not belong to it, but it will ensure that every inch of land it owns is safe and sound,” the paper wrote.

The newspaper has previously accused Washington of seeking to turn the South China Sea “into a powder keg” and warned it not to underestimate China's determination to defend its territorial claims.

China on Tuesday also started holding seven days of military drills around disputed islands in the sea.

China Paper Warns US of 'Price' to Pay in South China Sea

Originally Posted by misskit

“If the United States, regardless of the cost, chooses the path of `brinkmanship' that pressures and intimidates others....

....It will not want anything that does not belong to it, but it will ensure that every inch of land it owns is safe and sound.....

It's hilarious how the Chinese attempt to turn around situations to their advantage.

Their hyperbole is absurd, and they seem to almost foam at the mouth with Communist zeal.

Originally Posted by misskit

China is boycotting the case before The Hague-based court and says it will not accept the verdict.

Sounds like the call of an entity that knows it's in the wrong.

As Cujo said, the Chinese claims are preposterous.

They are going to cry like bitches on the 12th. Puff their cheeks, pout, and the world will laugh.

Originally Posted by MrG

So if the Court rules against China, it will be the US and everyone else who is taking it to the brink.

The court where the Philippines called for a decision is not a competent authority. They have no power to determine disputes of this kind.

Everyone else? Care to name the countries which are agreeing with the Philippines in SE Asia?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Sounds like the call of an entity that knows it's in the wrong. As Cujo said, the Chinese claims are preposterous.

China has the legal authority and military muscle to back it's claims. The previous Philippine government was persuaded by the Ameristanis, who have not signed up to the rulings of this court, to ask for a ruling from a court which has no legal right/jurisdiction in this type of disagreement.

Try reading the UNCLOS rules/jurisdiction link, it has been posted here previously. Or keep drinking the koolaid.

Ugghhh -a disgusting Wumao.

Reviled worldwide.

You'll be crying on the 12th, along with all of China when the Hague votes for the Philippines.

You disgusting brown-nosing kunt.

An UNCLOS announcement means what? Who will act upon it in SE Asia?

The Ameristani child killers wont like it but what are they going to do? Send a few more aircraft carriers who stay on the Pacific side of the Philippine island for safety.