You may want to read about the WMD used by the crusader coalition before you point the finger at a single countries "environmental" record.Originally Posted by Looper
Armor Piercing, Toxic Shocking ? the US?s Ongoing Depleted Uranium Manifesto | New Eastern Outlook
Do you believe Vietnam's building of "fake islands is reasonable as part of the negotiating strategy" or hiding behind Ameristani alleged military force is?Originally Posted by Looper
The damage caused by the DU, a weapon of mass destruction, is one that "keeps on giving" eh?Originally Posted by Looper
When was the Chinese statement made, when and who introduced armed, offensive weapons, into the area subsequently?Originally Posted by Latindancer
You need to qualify who the "rest of the world is" and who isn't. Add up the population numbers and the areas of the countries in each group before you make such a "probably exceptional" statement.Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas
Today, the Vietnamese government are hiding behind the Ameristani skirt and smiling at the Ameristani. Hồ Chí Minh must be turning in his grave.Originally Posted by Latindancer
Maybe the Ameristanis have given the Vietnamese new, Ameristani history books, for their school children. The Vietnamese recently held democratic elections, the people voted. Some of whom may well have fought and won a war, against the then Ameristani coalition which included Australia. The proposed usurper, backed by Ameristani money and influence, was soundly beaten and has deserted the political area, for now.
A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.
Changing the subject much?Originally Posted by OhOh
No, but it is a direct response to the sneaky Chinese fake island tactics. I think any settlement must involve the Chinese leaving their fake island. If a retaliatory fake island is necessary for leverage during negotiations then maybe that is the best way to go.Originally Posted by OhOh
Changing the subject much?Originally Posted by OhOh
You have got your head so far up your anti-american ass it must be hard to breathe.Originally Posted by OhOh
What a prize clown.
Do you have any dates as to when each country started and finished their "island" construction, or does post #158 apply to you as well?Originally Posted by Looper
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Philippines Looking to Resolution of Arbitration Case Against China
MANILA—
Philippine officials say they are hopeful the country’s arbitration case against China over disputed territory in the South China Sea will be decided in April or May.
Philippine Foreign Affairs Spokesman Charles Jose said Thursday the department is basing its timeframe on how long it has taken the tribunal at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague to act between hearings.
China is not participating, but Jose said the court’s decision, whatever it may be, would stand.
“Even the court is telling China that the decision is binding on both the Philippines and China,” said Jose. “So the Philippines and other countries are calling on China to respect the forthcoming decision of the tribunal.”
In January 2013, the Philippines filed a complaint with the arbitral tribunal questioning what it called China’s “excessive claim” to practically the entire South China Sea. The Philippines cited China’s so-called nine-dash line, a U-shaped swath of the sea spanning from Hainan Island in the north to waters near Malaysia in the south.
more Philippines Looking to Resolution of Arbitration Case Against China
Who appointed the judge on this case, in this court? Is anyone forming a "coalition" to enforce this courts judgement.
US Sends Aircraft Carrier, Destroyers to South China Sea
The United States has deployed an aircraft carrier and several escorts to the South China Sea in an apparent show of force to China.
The John C. Stennis, along with two destroyers and two cruisers, reportedly arrived in the disputed waters earlier this week. A U.S. flagship is also in the region.
China claims almost the entire South China Sea. The United States has accused Beijing of militarizing the region as it tries to contest territorial claims by other nations.
After China deployed surface-to-air missiles on the Paracel Islands last month, the head of the U.S. Pacific Command, Admiral Harry Harris, told Congress that China is clearly militarizing the sea.
"You'd have to believe in a flat Earth to believe otherwise," Harris testified.
China denies the accusation and says it is the U.S. that is causing the tension.
"If you take a look at the matter closely, it's the U.S. sending the most advanced aircraft and military vessels to the South China Sea," said a spokeswoman for Beijing's Foreign Ministry, who warned that such a buildup could lead to a "miscalculation."
Pacific Fleet officials say the United States has routinely patrolled the Pacific, including the South China Sea, for decades and has no intention of easing up.
U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter told a group of U.S. troops Friday that China's rise as a prosperous nation "is fine. China's aggressive behavior is not, and we and lots of our partners... look to us to apply a counterweight to check anything excessive."
Six Pacific nations — including Vietnam and the Philippines — have territorial claims in the South China Sea, and accuse China of using its military might to intimidate them into backing down.
China also has been building artificial islands in the sea to try to strengthen its claims.
US Sends Aircraft Carrier, Destroyers to South China Sea
Ameristan announces that "defensive weapons" are to be introduced into the Korean war zone.
"The foreign ministers of China and Russia are opposing the possible deployment of an advanced American missile-defense system in South Korea.
Amid escalating tensions over North Korea's nuclear arsenal, Washington and Seoul last week began formal talks on deploying the sophisticated THAAD system.
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told a news conference Friday after meeting with Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov that putting the system in South Korea would "inflict direct harm to the strategic security interests of China and Russia."
Lavrov said deploying the system would be an overreaction.
"The plans, which the U.S. has been nursing together with the Republic of Korea, exceed any conceivable threats that may come from North Korea, even taking Pyongyang's current actions into account," he said.
In Washington, State Department spokesman John Kirby said the U.S. was in consultation with South Korea about a possible THAAD deployment because of thef provocative behavior oNorth Korea.
"I don't know if it's going to get deployed, but if it does, there's no reason for the Russians or the Chinese to be concerned about it because it is purely defensive in nature," Kirby told reporters."
The Chinese and Russians are now working together
"China is fully confident of the outlook of its relations with ally Russia, visiting Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said after meeting with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Moscow.
“China-Russia cooperation is not confined to bilateral levels, instead, the two countries have been coordinating and playing active roles in a number of international issues,” Wang said on Friday.
The two countries, as permanent members of the UN Security Council and major emerging economies, have held similar positions on the Syrian crisis, as well as negotiations at the WTO and IMF.
“As each other’s most important and prioritized partners, China and Russia are developing the comprehensive strategic coordination as a strategic principle, rather than any expediency,” the Chinese Foreign Minister added. Lavrov and Wang discussed bilateral ties as well as the fragile peace in Syria and the North Korean crisis.
Both Moscow and Beijing urged North Korea to return to talks over its nuclear program."
China voices anger at G7 comments on disputed islands
China has said G7 nations should "stop making irresponsible remarks" after foreign ministers released a statement on maritime territorial disputes.
The ministers, meeting in Japan, said they opposed "any intimidating coercive or provocative unilateral actions" that could increase tension.
China claims almost all the South China Sea and areas of the East China Sea, angering neighbours who have competing claims.
It has also been reclaiming land.
Experts say satellite images of the reclamation work could indicate that China may be steadily militarising the islands it is creating or expanding.
Read more on the South China Sea:
The foreign ministers of the G7 group of industrialised nations - US, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan - did not explicitly mention China in their statement.
- China's Island Factory in the South China Sea
- Flying close to Beijing's new South China Sea islands
- What is the South China Sea dispute about?
- How uninhabited islands soured China-Japan ties
But they called on all states to "refrain from such actions as land reclamations" and building outposts "for military purposes" that could risk stability or change the status quo.
Disputes should be solved "in good faith and in accordance with international law," they said.
In his response, China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang reiterated China's belief it has a legitimate claim to the territory.
He urged the foreign ministers to "stop making irresponsible remarks and all irresponsible actions, and truly play a constructive role for regional peace and stability".
China voices anger at G7 comments on disputed islands - BBC News
Originally Posted by Looper
Peace and stability and the G7 nations, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States, are mutually exclusive. To forget that 5 of the group have slaughtered more of the worlds citizens than the rest of the worlds countries put together.
Maybe the G7 countries, would like to assist the The Lancang-Mekong Cooperation Meeting partners to raise their forgotten Asian countries development.
I'm sure some of them will sign many agreements with the G7 countries, take the money and then remind them of the centuries of colonialism/exploitation suffered by their citizens under some of the G7 countries boots.
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The Ameristanis appear to have forgotten about some of the weapons system recently used for a combined Philippine and Ameristani war game.
Some have already imposing Ameristani might in the South China Sea. Understandably the Chinese government politely suggests the offensive weapons stay clear of it's own islands and territorial waters.
China dismisses Pentagon report on freedom of navigation - Global Times
This photo taken on Dec. 11, 2015 shows uniquely beautiful winter scenery of the Zhaoshu Island in the South China Sea.
Not a carrier group, just fishing boats. This has to change.
"China on Tuesday urged the United States to show respect for other countries' sovereignty and security.
Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying made the statement at a regular press briefing when asked to comment on an annual freedom of navigation report released by the US Department of Defense (DoD) on April 25.
According to the DoD Freedom of Navigation Report for the Fiscal Year 2015, the US military conducted "freedom of navigation" operations against 13 countries and regions last year, including China, India and Indonesia.
The DoD said on its website that these operations aimed to preserve the rights, freedoms, and lawful use of the sea and airspace guaranteed to all nations under international law.
US freedom of navigation operations last year challenged China's claims of jurisdiction over airspace above the Exclusive Economic Zone(EEZ) and restrictions on foreign aircraft flying through an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) over the East China Sea, according to the report.
"We have taken note of the US report," said Hua, adding that the aim of the DoD freedom of navigation program was, in essence, to advance the US unilateral proposition by force and coercion, by brandishing its naval and air power.
In 1979, the United States established the Freedom of Navigation program before the signing of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), said Hua, adding that its aim was to safeguard the US military's maximum freedom and maneuverability to enter the oceans of the world and challenge the new maritime order as a non-signatory of the 1982 UNCLOS."
As illustrated in the Chinese statement, Ameristani offensive forces are hiding behind, and being used, to uphold the fig leaf of international convention UNCLOS, which it isn't even a signatory to.
One wonders how long some Philippine citizens will again take to rebel against another round of colonial rule from Washington DC. Haven't the Philippines just got out of a civil war?
US ?forcing? countries to take sides over sea arbitration - Global Times
US ‘forcing’ countries to take sides over sea arbitration
"Clash over Hague case
The US is in no position to criticize China, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said Friday in response to US Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken's opposition to China's stand that it cannot be a party to the convention and reject "the binding nature of any arbitration decision."
The arbitral tribunal has no legal basis as the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea has nothing to do with issues concerning territorial sovereignty, Hua noted, adding that the US is not even a party to the Convention.
On August 25, 2006, China submitted a statement of optional exception to the UN Secretary General that it rejects the arbitration on matters concerning territorial sovereignty and maritime interests under the rights entitled in Article 298 of the Convention.
The International Court of Arbitration at The Hague is expected to decide on the case in late May or early June, according to Reuters."
Article 298 from UNCLOS:
http://www.un.org/depts/los/conventi...s/unclos_e.pdf
Bollocks.US ‘forcing’ countries to take sides over sea arbitration
And, everyone is against China.
Such conviction.Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas
I don't suppose you have the audited numbers/% of the worlds population that agree with your assumption.
Beijing slams Manila for ‘lying’ about sea negotiations
Beijing slams Manila for ?lying? about sea negotiations - Global Times
"China on Thursday defended the legitimacy of not accepting and participating in the South China Sea arbitration case unilaterally initiated by the Philippines, calling Manila's claim that it had exhausted all bilateral means a "lie."
"The Philippines has never negotiated with China on any item in the arbitration.'Exhausting all bilateral means' is a lie cooked up by the Philippines," Hong Lei, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson, said at a press briefing on Thursday, stressing that China's non-acceptance and non-participation in the arbitration case is consistent with law.
As early as 2006, China had released a statement on excluding compulsory arbitration as provided in Article 298 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Hong said.
The two countries have agreed to solve the South China Sea disputes through negotiations as defined in bilateral and multilateral documents, according to Hong. "The door for negotiations is always open to the Philippines," he said.
A ruling on a case filed by the Philippines before the International Court of Arbitration at The Hague on its dispute with China over the South China Sea is expected by June, whose results could further complicate the issue, observers said in previous interviews with the Global Times.
"The arbitration case initiated by the Philippines, from the very beginning, is illegal and unjustifiable. Its true intention is to politically confront China under the cloak of law," Hong said, and voiced "firm opposition to a certain country's plot to hijack international law for its own selfish gains."
Strong words from an acknowledge mouthpiece of the Chinese government.
^
And the bullies in Beijing think the world believes an iota of the crud they talk.
What a laugh.
Chinese = laughing stock of the world.
Indeed. The Paracels ? Maybe.
The Spratleys ? Give us a freaking BREAK !
Originally Posted by Baas BabelaasSo you keep shouting, but have yet to actually evidence your accusations.Originally Posted by Baas Babelaas
^ Maybe the French would like The Channel islands, maybe Spain Gibraltar, maybe Argentina the Malvinas, maybe the Sioux etc. Ameristan, the Aboriginals Australia or the Maori New Zealand.Originally Posted by Latindancer
You see where I'm going here?
Or is it just the Chinese that can't claim sovereignty over far away places?
Look it's fairly obvious the chinkies don't want to go to the ICJ because they know they will lose.
So instead they point their tiny fingers at everyone else and say "They're against us".
Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats.
Possibly the Chinese are abiding by the letter of the UNCLOS international law. Again when did "the letter of the law" mean anything to the Ameristani people. Isn't that what lawyers are for, to find a loophole and fuck the consequences.Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
One should look at UNCLOS and note the clause which allows any country to opt out. The Ameristani court case is illegal. But what are international laws and agreements to such an unexceptional regime.
One should also review the fact that the Ameristani vassal has not even tried to bilaterally reach an agreement with China. But hey lets just go with the unexceptional "we have the biggest cock" rhetoric.
Many countries have opted for this route previously, but when it's China they are called "Stupid fucking pencil dicked twats."
One thing which some, including me, wonder is which "China" was awarded all the islands that the Japanese held at the end of WW2. As specified in the Cairo and Potsdam treaties, signed and agreed by the 3 world powers - UK, USA and "China". As at the time there were, and still are, two "Chinese" governments.
Both of which now claim these "islands" in the South China sea. The two "Chinese" governments also both use the same argument regarding "historic usage" which gives them sovereignty and all other claims, Vietnam, Philippine, etc., which are based on "discovering free and uninhabited land/islands (under the principle of terra nullius), are null and void.
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After the Ameristani vassal accused China of "bullying" the Chinese minsiter offers some clarity to Chinese alleged bullying.
China warns Philippines against "blackmailing" on South China Sea - Global Times
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China warns Philippines against "blackmailing" on South China Sea
"China will never "bully" small countries, nor will it tolerate "blackmail" on the South China Sea issue, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said here on Monday.
Spokesman Lu Kang made the remarks at a daily press briefing in response to claims that the Philippines initiated arbitration due to the two countries' very unequal strengths which makes it unable to solve maritime delimitation disputes with China through dialogue.
"Such an argument confuses right and wrong and reminds us of the so-called theory of original sin of major powers," said Lu.
Calling the rhetoric "obviously from those who attempt to smear China," Lu said the logic behind the rhetoric is that "a strong nation is bound to seek hegemony."
China adheres to the path of peaceful development and follows a national defense policy that is defensive in nature, said Lu.
China persists in building good-neighborly relationships and partnerships with its neighbors and in solving disputes through dialogue and negotiation, he said.
Since the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949 China has successfully solved boundary issues with 12 of its 14 land neighbors via consultation in accordance with historic,l facts, on the basis norms of international laaw, said Lu.
The entire length of demarcated and delineated boundary has reached 20,000 kilometers, which accounts for 90 percent of China's total land boundary, he added.
Another example is that China and Vietnam delineated the maritime boundary in the Beibu Gulf via negotiations, Lu said.
China knows its responsibility and obligation to safeguard regional peace and stability, said Lu.
Stressing that China has dealt with the South China Sea issue in a constructive way, Lu said the door for dialogue has always been open.
However, the Philippines, disregard of the consensus reached with China, shows no sincerity in solving the South China Sea issue through dialogue and "pretends to be a victim," said the spokesman, accusing Manila of stirring up trouble and aggravating the situation.
Manila unilaterally initiated an arbitration case against China over maritime disputes in the South China Sea at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague in early 2013 under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). The decision will probably be announced in May or June.
When asked to comment on former U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel's recent remarks, Lu said some people choose to turn a blind eye to basic facts about the South China Sea issue and wantonly manipulated international law.
According to reports, Hagel said it would be "dangerous" for either side to disobey a decision of the Permanent Court of Arbitration.
Lu said China's position of non-acceptance and non-participation in the arbitration unilaterally initiated by the Philippines is clear and consistent.
Some Americans consider themselves champions of the rule of the law, yet the United States remains a non-signatory to the UNCLOS passed in 1982, said Lu.
The United States requires other countries to accept the settlement of disputes through a third party, yet itself has kept away from accepting the decisions of the UN court, he said.
It urges other countries to abide by international law, yet it keeps door wide open for illegal action by itself and its allies, said Lu, adding that the United States has ignored the Philippines' infringement to some islands and reefs of China's Nansha Islands for a long time.
Using the international law when convenient and abandoning it in unfavorable conditions gravely undermine the authority, solemnity and effectiveness of the international law, said Lu.
"This is a dangerous act that the international community must heighten vigilance against," he said.
The South China Sea disputes between China and the Philippines are over territorial and maritime delimitation. China declared in 2006 that arbitration and other compulsory dispute settlement procedures do not apply to issues such as maritime delimitation, as outlined in Article 298 of the UNCLOS."
This may all change with the election of the new Phillipino President, who knows.
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Allegedly the New Philippine Pragmatic President wants a deal when it comes to real issues. Asians getting along with Asians, sounds like a good start. Has he met any of the Ameristani enforcers yet, will he be singing from another sheet once he does?
Philippines' Duterte calls for summit to solve South China Sea spat | Reuters
"The presumptive winner of the Philippine election on Monday said that if he became president he would settle rows over the South China Sea with multilateral talks that would include allies the United States, Japan and Australia as well as claimant nations."
Rodrigo Duterte, the tough-talking mayor of Davao City, said China should respect the 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone granted to coastal states under international law and should team up with the Philippines to jointly exploit offshore oil and gas. "I would say to China, 'do not claim anything here and I will not insist also that it is ours'. But then I will just keep (turn) a blind eye," he told reporters, as results of an unofficial vote count came in showing him winning a hefty 40 percent of the votes.
"If you want joint ventures, fine, we can get the gas and the oil," he said. "I believe in sharing."
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