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Old 05-02-2016, 12:38 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Well yes of course, but I thought the Thai references were very illustrative of different countries methods of operation.
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China 'has deployed missiles in South China Sea' - reports

China appears to have deployed surface-to-air missiles on a disputed island in the South China Sea, say reports.



Civilian satellite images taken on 14 February and published reported by Fox News appear to show two batteries of eight missile launchers and a radar system on Woody Island in the Paracels.

Taiwan, which along with Vietnam claims the island, confirmed the deployment.

The deployment of missiles would significantly increase tensions in the acrimonious South China Sea dispute.

China has been carrying out extensive land reclamation work in the South China Sea, which it says is legal and for civilian purposes.

But the work has angered other countries which also claim the territory, and there is growing concern about the militarisation of the region.
Reuters quoted a US official confirming the "apparent deployment".

The latest images were captured by ImageSat International.

They show a close-up of a section of beach which resembles the coastline on the north of Woody Island, and point out two missiles batteries. Each battery is made up of four launchers and two control vehicles.

Two of the the launchers appear to have been erected, says the report.
Image copyright IHS Jane's Image caption Images have also shown extensive reclamation work on islands, including Fiery Cross Reef An image taken of the site on 3 February shows the beach empty.

Fox News quoted a US defence official as saying the missiles appeared to be the HQ-9 air defence system, with a range of about 200km (125 miles).
Taiwan's defence ministry told the BBC the missiles would be capable of targeting civilian and military aircraft, and that it would watch developments closely.

The news comes as South East Asian regional leaders end a two-day meeting in Washington DC where South China Sea had been a topic of debate.

US President Barack Obama said the members had discussed the need for "tangible steps" to reduce tensions, including "a halt to further reclamation, new construction and militarization of disputed areas".

A Pentagon spokesman said the US could not comment on intelligence matters but watched such issues "very closely".

"The United States continues to call on all claimants to halt land reclamation, construction, and militarization of features in the South China Sea," he said in a statement to the BBC.

What is the South China Sea dispute?


Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.

China has backed its expansive claims with island-building and naval patrols, while the US says it opposes restrictions on freedom of navigation and unlawful sovereignty claims - by all sides, but seen by many as aimed at China.

The frictions have sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.

Although largely uninhabited, the Paracels and the Spratlys may have reserves of natural resources around them. There has been little detailed exploration of the area, so estimates are largely extrapolated from the mineral wealth of neighbouring areas.

The sea is also a major shipping route and home to fishing grounds that supply the livelihoods of people across the region.

China 'has deployed missiles in South China Sea' - reports - BBC News
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Don't worry ! A little Typhoon will straighten out those imbiciles on both sides.
Maybe the U.S. can create an artificial typhoon

Typhoon Blows Away Illegal Island Made by Vietnam in South China Sea-english-?

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Declare war and bomb us, or watch us do you all without lube.
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China - Air defense, 180Kg warhead, range 250Km , two batteries of eight missile launchers. - Spratly islands
Ameritan + vassal states- Nuclear/HE armed Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles 100's to 1,000s - Guam, S Korea, Japan, Australia any passing warship.

Perspective is a tool to evaluate who is threatening who.

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Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.
Yes China owned the South China Sea for centuries and all the peripheral countries paid homage to the Emperor. Then the British, French and Spanish came along, for a heartbeat in world history. They left with their tails between their legs. Ameristan tried, withdrew and now is trying again to start another war, in another place.

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Declare war and bomb us, or watch us do you all without lube.
As you say the Chinese can just sit a watch whilst smiling at the round eyes. They have no need to bomb anywhere or go to war with anybody. The rest of the world seems to have that gig sewn up.

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Ameritan + vassal states- Nuclear armed Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles - Guam, S Korea, Japan, Australia any passing warship.
Not much good when there are 100,000 Chinese 5 years old ready to hack them within 3 seconds.
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Steady on, dudes. These missiles are for "peaceful, civilian purposes".
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Yes China owned the South China Sea for centuries and all the peripheral countries paid homage to the Emperor. Then the British, French and Spanish came along, for a heartbeat in world history.
You are a retarded fuck-knuckle of the lowest order.

It has been many centuries since China controlled the south china sea. It has no land there with which to lay a modern legal claim to control over the waters under current international maritime law.

Manufacturing artificial islands does not count.

It is a blatantly illegal attempt to take control of an international waterway which is vital to international trade.

They deserve to be punished like the uncivilised cockroaches that they are.
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They deserve to be punished
Oh please.

No one has the balls.
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If anyone can lay claim to those islands, it is the Cham. The Cham: Descendants of Ancient Rulers of South China Sea Watch Maritime Dispute From Sidelines


And Wiki has good background info : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
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They said they wouldn't. Then they did.

That's what you have when you deal with the Chinese government.
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They said they wouldn't. Then they did.

That's what you have when you deal with Chinese.
Fixed that for you.
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They said they wouldn't. Then they did.

That's what you have when you deal with the Chinese government.
Obviously only a preserve of the Chinese government.

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China deploys surface-to-air missiles to Woody Island, following pledges not to militarize South China Sea: Shanghaiist

Lying, thieving kunts.
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It has been many centuries since
You live in such a small world. It's been many centuries since the original idea came into force. Then the allowable distance was 3 miles - the distance a cannon could fire a ball. This has been extended and various distances are accepted by different countries. Now the cannon has been replaced with the ICBM, which has a range of 1,000s of Km. Should the distance be adjusted to take into account the now "reach of any available weapon"?

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Manufacturing artificial islands does not count.
Says whom? Who is going to throw them off, you?

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like the uncivilised cockroaches
The "cockroaches" will outlast you.

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They said they wouldn't. Then they did. That's what you have when you deal with the Chinese government.
Oh no! No another thieving, lying government in the world. Who would dream of doing such a thing.

Why does Ameristan even care, they've not even signed up to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).
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As you say the Chinese can just sit a watch whilst smiling at the round eyes. They have no need to bomb anywhere or go to war with anybody. The rest of the worldseems to have that gig sewn up.
One last hurrah from the Empire with no clothes.

China's new gig is that they are the cancer of this region. They are all going to die of lung cancer anyway.

Gesundheit !

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You live in such a small world. It's been many centuries since the original idea came into force. Then the allowable distance was 3 miles - the distance a cannon could fire a ball. This has been extended and various distances are accepted by different countries. Now the cannon has been replaced with the ICBM, which has a range of 1,000s of Km. Should the distance be adjusted to take into account the now "reach of any available weapon"?
You talk utterly unsupportable crap in defence of your scatter-brained inane political positions.

China has no land in the south China sea so it has no claim to territorial waters there. Many centuries ago they may have controlled the water but the have not done so for a long time.

Whatever the territorial water range calculation is Chinas claim will be trumped by the other regional nations in that area which all have land mass closer to the water in dispute. Falling back on a claim that Chinas military controlled the water many centuries ago is utterly desperate reaching nonsense that nobody is going to buy.

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Says whom?
('Says who') Are you seriously that fucking dumb that you don't see the problem with one nation building an artificial military island 1000 kms away from their mainland and 100km off the coast of another nation in order to set up a spurious claim to territorial waters? You have got a brain like a box of frogs.

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Who is going to throw them off, you?
So it is ethically OK in the world of 21st century global politics to do anything you like as long as you believe you can militarily defend your actions or you can avoid military confrontation? You are living in the 17th century you foking muppet.
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Missile Moves Raise Political Temperature in the South China Sea


An aerial view shows part of the city of Sansha on the island of Yongxing, also known as Woody island, in the disputed Paracel chain where China reportedly moved in antiaircraft missiles.


Accusations that China has placed anti-aircraft batteries on a disputed island in the South China Sea are stoking tensions in a region that is grappling with Beijing’s claim to maritime rights that cover nearly the entire area.

On Wednesday Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said in a statement that it had "grasped that Communist China deployed" an unspecified number of missiles on Woody Island in the Paracel group.

Moving the ground-to-air missiles onto the island, would allow China to bolster its claim on an important strategic resource. China has been building new islands in the disputed sea by piling sand atop reefs and then adding airstrips and what look like military installations.

Woody Island, which the Chinese call Yongxing, is also claimed by Taiwan and Vietnam. The island contains an artificial harbor, an airport, roads, army posts, a helicopter base and other buildings, the Associated Press reports.

Some of the world’s busiest sea lanes traverse the area which is also a rich fishing ground and may contain petroleum reserves beneath the sea bed.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Wednesday that the U.S. expects to have "very serious" talks with China about the South China Sea.

“There is every evidence, every day that there has been an increase of militarization of one kind or another. It’s of serious concern,” he said. “We’ve had these conversations with the Chinese, and I’m confident that over the next days we will have further, very serious conversation on this.”

China did not directly deny the reports, instead Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi criticized the media for making sensationalist claims, while he bragged about the “public goods and services” the nation provides in the region, according to news reports.

Taiwan and China both claim nearly the entire sea. Vietnam and the Philippines also have large claims, while Brunei and Malaysia have smaller stakes to waters and features that lie much closer to those nations than they do to far away China.

Obama seeks "tangible steps"

Beijing’s move comes just after President Obama and leaders of the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations wrapped up a meeting in California. Obama called for a halt to militarization in the South China Sea after the meeting ended on Tuesday.

“We discussed the need for tangible steps in the South China Sea to lower tensions, including a halt to further reclamation, new construction and militarization of disputed areas,” Obama said at a news conference Tuesday."Freedom of navigation must be upheld and lawful commerce should not be impeded."

While the joint ASEAN-U.S. statement issued after the meeting failed to mention China by name, it included a “commitment to maintain peace, security and stability in the region, ensuring maritime security and safety, including the rights of freedom of navigation and overflight.”

That language has been a consistent watchword for the U.S. and its allies as they seek to counter China’s ascendance in the region.

“This happened when the U.S.-ASEAN summit took place as Washington and the ASEAN leaders agreed to voice the concerns over the South China Sea,” Tran Cong Truc, the former chief of Vietnam’s border committee, told RFA’s Vietnamese service.

“China decided to push forward with their plan in an attempt to try to ruin the common voice of ASEAN and the U.S. in countering China,” he said.

While China may want to drive a wedge between ASEAN and the U.S., it is also testing its neighbors, he explained.

“By doing this they want to test the water to see how other countries will react so they can continue with their plan, deploying modern weapons to the Spratly Islands,” Tran Cong Truc said.

Taiwan military analyst Chen Guoming told RFA’s Cantonese service that the satellite intelligence is highly unlikely to be mistaken, and that the missiles on the island are likely China's home-produced Hongqi-9 series, or the Russian-built S-300 series.

Chen said the militarization of the Nansha, or Spratlys, could mean that China's neighbors and fellow claimants may do the same.

Vietnamese concerns

The dispute hits Vietnam particularly hard, as many Vietnamese feel the Chinese move smacks of imperialism.

Vietnamese activists chanted anti-China slogans in Hanoi Wednesday as they marked the 37th anniversary of a border war with their giant neighbor, AFP reported.

In a pre-planned event, more than 100 people gathered in Hanoi to mark China's 1979 invasion of Vietnam's northernmost provinces.Security officials stood by as veterans chanted "down with China, down with China's invasion,” AFP reported.

The short but bloody war came after Vietnam toppled the Beijing-backed Khmer Rouge regime in neighboring Cambodia. The war ended with Chinese forces withdrawing and both powers claiming victory.

Although Vietnam celebrates military victories over the French and American armies, there are no official events to mark the China border war.

But Beijing's increasingly assertive stance in the contested waters triggered public anger and rounds of protests in authoritarian Vietnam where the demonstrations are sometimes forcefully broken up.

Just how far Vietnam will go is unclear as China is also a one-party communist state that, like Vietnam, rejects outside pressure over its human rights practices and shortcomings in the rule of law. China is also Vietnam’s biggest trading partner.

Fox News reported that China had moved surface-to-air missiles to the Paracels, identifying them as two batteries of the HQ-9 system, along with radar targeting arrays. The missiles have a range of about 200 kilometers (125 miles), making them a threat to all forms of civilian and military aircraft.

“We believe this is an attempt by certain Western media to create news stories," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang told reporters after a meeting with Australian Minister of Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop.

The development is largely civilian oriented and benefited the region, he told the AP and pointed to the construction of light houses, weather stations, and rescue and shelter facilities for fishermen.

"All of those are actions that China as the biggest littoral state in the South China Sea, has undertaken to provide more public goods and services to the international community and play its positive role there," minister Wang said, according to reports.

Construction of military infrastructure is "consistent with the right to self-preservation and self-protection that China is entitled to under international law, so there should be no question about that," he said.

Missile Moves Raise Political Temperature in the South China Sea
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South China Sea dispute: US attacks China 'militarisation'

US Secretary of State John Kerry says Washington is seriously concerned about increased Chinese militarisation in the contested South China Sea.
He was responding to reports Beijing has deployed surface-to-air missiles on a disputed island in the region.

China dismissed the reports as "hype", but said it had the right under international law to defend itself.

Several nations claim territory in the resource-rich South China Sea, which is also an important shipping route.

A spokesman for Mr Kerry said satellite images appeared to confirm China had deployed anti-aircraft missiles on Woody or Yongxing Island in the Paracels.

The island is claimed by China, Taiwan and Vietnam and the presence of missiles would significantly increase tensions.Mr Kerry said the US expected to have a "very serious conversation" with China over its presence.

"There is every evidence, every day, that there has been an increase of militarisation from one kind or another. It's a serious concern," he said.



The latest images of Woody Island were captured by ImageSat International.

A picture dated 3 February shows a beach on the island empty. By 14 February it contains several missile launchers and support vehicles.
But the Chinese Foreign Minister, Wang Yi, said reports were a Western media invention.

He defended "the limited and necessary self-defence facilities" on islands inhabited by Chinese personnel as "consistent with the right for self-preservation and self-protection.... under the international law".


China has been carrying out extensive land reclamation work in the region, which it says is legal and for civilian purposes.

But the work has angered other countries which also claim the territory, and there is growing concern about the implications of the area becoming militarised.

The South China Sea dispute has been a topic of debate at a meeting of South East Asian regional leaders in California.

US President Barack Obama said the members had discussed the need for "tangible steps" to reduce tensions.

What is the South China Sea dispute?


Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries, but tension has steadily increased in recent years.
Its islets and waters are claimed in part or in whole by Taiwan, China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei.

China has backed its expansive claims with island-building and naval patrols, while the US says it opposes restrictions on freedom of navigation and unlawful sovereignty claims - by all sides, but seen by many as aimed at China.

The frictions have sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.

South China Sea dispute: US attacks China 'militarisation' - BBC News
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You live in such a small world. It's been many centuries since the original idea came into force. Then the allowable distance was 3 miles - the distance a cannon could fire a ball. This has been extended and various distances are accepted by different countries. Now the cannon has been replaced with the ICBM, which has a range of 1,000s of Km. Should the distance be adjusted to take into account the now "reach of any available weapon"?
You talk utterly unsupportable crap in defence of your scatter-brained inane political positions.

Hey Loopy, I like OhOh idea.
I think Germany has all rights to claim back the land and sea that our Emperor/Kaiser once had. We can then resettle all our refugees to Königsberg (maybe add a few missiles in their bags )
This idea is up for a Noble Peace Price !
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Anyone looking at that map can see that although it might (at a stretch) be said that China has a claim on the Paracel Islands, trying to claim any of the Spratleys is taking it way too far. Look where they are in relation to Vietnam and The Phils !

The mainland Chinese really are a bunch of slimy, pushy jerks.
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Chinas claim will be trumped by the other regional nations
In whose court? Who will enforce the decision?

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one nation building an artificial military island
Take at look at who else is building islands, to no apparent condemnation.

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So it is ethically OK in the world of 21st century global politics to do anything you like
"Global politics is who has the might, financially and militarily to enforce or bribe it's vasals. Some "exceptional" countries have been doing consistently during the last few decades.

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Accusations that China has placed anti-aircraft batteries on a disputed island in the South China Sea are stoking tensions in a region
No, the Ameristanis and their vassals are the ones "stoking tension.

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“China decided to push forward with their plan in an attempt to try to ruin the common voice of ASEAN and the U.S. in countering China,” he said.
Look whose talking, the "exceptional" country, How are the Ameristanis planning to "counter" the Chinese?

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The mainland Chinese really are a bunch of slimy, pushy jerks.
So whats new, or are you suggesting other countries politicians aren't?

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I reckon he starts salivating every time a Chinese man approaches or passes him, in the hope he can slurp on their one inchers.
Don't project your own fantasies, keep them to yourself, pervert.
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Maybe they can put one of their fake F-22's on there.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/where-di...194030501.html

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I think Germany has all rights to claim back the land and sea that our Emperor/Kaiser once had.
I believe that Germany signed away any claims following their surrender after WWII. You know after slaughtering millions of people.

Currently does the German constitution allow for any foreign military action? Do the German people want to go to war again?
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In whose court? Who will enforce the decision?
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Global politics is who has the might, financially and militarily to enforce or bribe it's vasals
What an utter cock-brain you are.

The ability to possibly get away with some greedy self-serving territorial shenanigans by taking a calculated risk that maybe no-one will try to stop you militarily does not make it OK to do it.

Building islands 1000km away from your mainland and 100km offshore from another nation in order to fabricate a spurious claim to maritime territorial control is utter bollix as everyone including you well knows.

Get your head out of your arse.
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