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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You'd better hope there is never another superpower war, because it will inevitably turn, as Bush Jr. would say, "nucular".
    'Sink two aircraft carriers': Chinese Admiral's chilling recipe to dominate the South China Sea

    Fighting words.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...iU8AKSPPUY5uvE

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    ^ From a person many steps away from the big red button. If only some other countries had similar security.

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    China's world first: Electromagnetic railgun goes to sea

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12184829

    And if you've never seen what an electromagnetic railgun can do....awesome, literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    ^ From a person many steps away from the big red button. If only some other countries had similar security.
    In China, how many senior military men with "permission" to speak such things are "many steps" away from the supreme leader Xi? Do you really think Xi was not aware of what would be said?

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    What the US does with a jack boots, threats, extortion, coercion, murder and invasion, China does with money. It's why so many countries are turning away from the US. They're going to part of someones empire, so why not the one that gives them the case rather than murders and kills all the people and then uses their country as a launching pad to attack the next country on the murkins hit list?

    Always amused to catch up with these threads where harryNoRead and his mates puke up the US State department narrative as if it's beyond suspicion
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    With the election of President Duterte and his declaration that the “U.S. has lost” in the SCS in Beijing during a state visit to China in July 2016, Duterte secured $24 billion in Chinese economic pledges to help the Philippines develop infrastructure and its economy. They also mutually agreed to put aside the territorial disputes between them to focus on cooperation and stabilizing their relationship.

    By most accounts, the relationship has moved in a positive trajectory as some of the economic pledges made to Manila have begun to trickle in. To date, an estimated $800 million out of the $24 billion has been accounted for. As with most large-scale economic pledges related to infrastructure and development, it takes years for the economic assistance to take root and to be able to assess its effectiveness. Still, there are questions concerning Chinese commitment to fully delivering promised funds, especially if Manila strengthens its relationship with America and or Japan, or if Manila returns to a more contested approach to its territorial claims.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature...hina-sea-40012

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    In China, how many senior military men with "permission" to speak
    What makes you believe the Rear Admiral has, "permission to speak" and/or that his views are the views of the Chinese politicians and military commanders. Is he on the decision making panel, does he have a military position with the capacity to decide on military actions?

    "Rear Admiral Lou Yuan is deputy head of the Chinese Academy of Military Sciences. Admiral Lou, who holds an academic military ranknot a service role —"

    Your source:


    Do you even read the article under discussion, that you post about? Did you not see the original piece was from the Taiwan's Central News Agency (CNA). Who are "highly likely" to have an axe to grind, don't you agree?

    "Taiwan's Central News Agency (CNA) reports Admiral Lou gave a wide-ranging speech on the state of Sino-US relations. The high-profile, hawkish military commentator reportedly declared"

    The NZ Herald publishes, a reported CNA report, that itself uses the cover of, "reportedly declared" Who wrote the articles pertinent points, not the NZH, not the CNA, some unknown "reporter".




    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Still, there are questions concerning Chinese commitment to fully delivering promised funds, especially if Manila strengthens its relationship with America and or Japan, or if Manila returns to a more contested approach to its territorial claims.
    ^From your links "About us" page:

    "It is about American interests"

    https://nationalinterest.org/about-the-national-interest

    Lots of unnamed "questions" and possible scenarios, If....., with......., or if.......... returns...... Which nobody can foresee. Only prudent planning and scheduling is available.

    The Chinese financial commitment will be utilised once the governments have decided, what, where and when, not to any here today, dismissed tomorrow, propaganda article. As many are aware overextending by both parties is not always useful. Decades, not manipulated hourly share prices, are the relevant time scales

    One presumes you agree with sober heads deciding the spending of CNY 165,000,000,000 is the correct way forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    What the US does with a jack boots, threats, extortion, coercion, murder and invasion, China does with money. It's why so many countries are turning away from the US.
    It's why so many corrupt leaders are turning away from the US you fucking moron.

    The people don't have a say in the matter.

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    Christopher Pyne says China has raised regional 'anxiety' over its activities in the South China Sea

    Defence Minister Christopher Pyne has called on Beijing to act responsibly in the South China Sea and avoid mimicking Russia's "might is right" approach to diplomacy.

    Key points:

    The Minister urged Beijing to respect international law to resolve territorial tensions
    He added that Canberra and other capitals were not intent on "containing" China
    The Government will invest $90 billion in the Royal Australian Navy in the coming years

    Delivering a keynote speech to military leaders in Singapore, Mr Pyne stressed that no country wanted to stifle China's growth and prosperity.

    But he urged Beijing to rethink its approach to the politically-charged waters of the South China Sea, arguing the world power was eroding regional confidence and increasing anxiety, including with activities like building artificial islands in disputed waters.

    "Resolving disputes in the South China Sea in accordance with international law would build confidence in China's willingness to support and champion a strategic culture that respects the rights of all states," Mr Pyne said.

    "As the exhortation goes, to those that much is given, much is expected; similarly for nation states, for those with great power comes great responsibility, and so I call on China to act with great responsibility in the South China Sea."

    The Minister pledged Australian support for multilateral activities in the South China Sea, if required, to remind Beijing they are international waters.

    See how China is converting reefs to military facilities by building artificial islands in the South China Sea.

    China is pitted against smaller neighbours in those waters that it claims almost in entirety.

    While Australia is "not interested in containing China," it wants Indo-Pacific countries to not have to make "choices between economic gain and sovereignty," Mr Pyne said.

    Mr Pyne described ongoing tensions between the United States and China as "the defining great power rivalry of our times".

    However, he shrugged off suggestions of a potential cold war between the duelling world heavyweights.

    "It's a simplistic and unsophisticated characterisation of what is a much more complex and dynamic geo-strategic paradigm," Mr Pyne said.

    https://www.abc. net.au/news/2019-01-28/christopher-pyne-says-china-is-raises-anxiety-in-region-over-scs/10756224

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    including with activities like building artificial islands in disputed waters.
    Does he not know of any other SE Asian countries militarising "their alleged" South China Seas islands, reefs and shoals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    it wants Indo-Pacific countries to not have to make "choices between economic gain and sovereignty,
    From an Oz politician, look at your own actions Oz, priceless.

    Australia:

    Exports to ameristan $8.43B

    Imports from ameristan $23.61B

    Trade balance - $15B


    Exports to China $68.10B

    Imports from China
    $49.97B

    Trade balance + $19B

    https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/exports-by-country

    https://tradingeconomics.com/austral...rts-by-country


    Australians are lucky China makes up the annual deficit.

    "External Debt in Australia decreased to 2,031,327 AUD Million in the third quarter of 2018 from 2045588 AUD Million in the second quarter of 2018. External Debt in Australia averaged 802,484 AUD Million from 1988 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 2045588 AUD Million in the second quarter of 2018 and a record low of 147312 AUD Million in the third quarter of 1988."

    https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/external-debt


    A 200% increase in debt. All good news to the lenders. Austerity and reduction in wages will be called for soon. Possibly the ameristani banks are willing to "invest" in Oz, for a nice annual interest income or because of the Kangaroos.

    I'm sure a current Oz politician has the balls to say NO to ameristan but it's bankers say don't be so silly.

    Sovereignty eh. As Venezuela is, experiencing now, that financial tap can be turned off and regime change instigated overnight, by a single tweet. Or in Oz's case a letter from the Oz Governor General,



    appointed by the UK head of State, to the sitting PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Defence Minister Christopher Pyne has called on Beijing to act responsibly in the South China Sea and avoid mimicking Russia's "might is right" approach to diplomacy.


    ...& the US warships patrolling the area is the unicorns and rainbows approach to diplomacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post


    ...& the US warships patrolling the area is the unicorns and rainbows approach to diplomacy?
    Demonstrating that any ship can navigate free waterways and the chinkies can't just grab what they feel like.

    Next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Demonstrating that any ship can navigate free waterways....
    In in your rush to lick America's asshole clean, I see you've lost track of the conversation again Harry, ...

    A warship is not just "any ship".

    If the US wanted to demonstrate that "any ship" could pass through the area and challenge the idea: "might is right" is not a sensible approach to diplomacy .....then sending a warship is not the way to go.

    If you need that explained to you then you probably have brain damage.

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    ^I can see your point regarding warships as opposed to "the freedom of the seas illusion".

    One of those quaint international laws which some utilise against other countries, but ignore for their own situation, even failing to pass them into domestic law themselves. As long as we all obey their illegal sanctions and don't stop in ports situated in any of the many countries they currently have under their illegal sanctions

    However as we know, China has developed a new "warship".

    They appear, to many sailors, as just another oil tanker meandering along the commercial routes. Unfortunately they have successfully sunk or disabled more western warships in the past few years than all the others since the UN action in Korea (allegedly). These oil tankers have the ability to shutdown some of the most highly armed and defended western warships, disable computer systems and consequently missiles, torpedo and gun systems, some have said they can also disable a submarines periscope!!!!!.

    They stop exceptionally well trained, fed and watered crews from performing their duties etc. Using simple, superior, designed and manufactured, from night soil, old tin cans and string, electronic weapons along with the amplified sounds of common insects.

    Once an enemies warship and crew are disabled the tanker then use one of the oldest methods of sinking ships, ramming the opponent. Hence the many limping back to port/towed backed to port/sunken warship/overheating engines........ stories, we read about every month.

    These new warships do not only attack legitimate expensive and fragile warships costing 100,000,000s Roubles/Yuan but, you can't beat this, they actually deliver goods and commodities back to their home ports and earn a profit 24/7 year after year, for their privately owned shipping lines and shareholders.

    As you can imagine this is not going down to well with western ship owners and the bankers who have invested heavily and demand their regular pound of flesh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    In in your rush to lick America's asshole clean, I see you've lost track of the conversation again Harry, ...

    A warship is not just "any ship".

    If the US wanted to demonstrate that "any ship" could pass through the area and challenge the idea: "might is right" is not a sensible approach to diplomacy .....then sending a warship is not the way to go.

    If you need that explained to you then you probably have brain damage.
    Perhaps you don't understand what the message is, you dim fuck.

    Good job it wasn't aimed at you, eh?

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    Another example of the benevolent Chinese helping a poorer neighbour to develop Unlike the nasty world bank that require economic feasability studies.
    I could just imagine the conversation of ohoh klondyke and a couple of others walking down the concrete steps to the "showers" at Auschwitz. Those damn Yanks and Brits only offered us a hand basin. These nice Germans are giving us showers.

    Sri Lanka the latest victim of China?s debt-trap diplomacy - Asia Times

    Another one if you can believe those annoying facts from the fake newspaper NYT, of course nowhere near as believable as RT or Shin Wa.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/w...anka-port.html
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    Oh dear, another behind the curve poster.

    Care to share the position of Sri Lanka's debt situation i.e who it owes what to and how much.

    Due diligence or posting fake "news"

    This may help your "knowledge" of their debt position.

    https://indianpunchline.com/sri-lankas-bop-crisis-is-an-eye-opener/


    I await any evidence, you may provide, disputing the linked above article's numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Oh dear, another behind the curve poster.

    Care to share the position of Sri Lanka's debt situation i.e who it owes what to and how much.

    Due diligence or posting fake "news"

    This may help your "knowledge" of their debt position.

    https://indianpunchline.com/sri-lankas-bop-crisis-is-an-eye-opener/


    I await any evidence you may provide disputing the linked a articles numbers.

    As usual, HoHo tries to gloss over the important details.

    China charges an interest rate of 6.3% for its loans to Lanka, while the interest rates on soft loans from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank (ADB) are only 0.25–3%.

    Read more at:
    //economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/65659719.cms?from=mdr&utm_source=contentofinterest &utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    gloss over the important details
    As your "factual" India Times report claims that, "China is already the largest lender to the island nation", in paragraph 3. I stopped reading. I presume you have copies of the Loan Agreements to share with us?

    However as I asked,




    for any factual evidence to support your allegations please post them here so we might analyse and reach a conclusion.

    Here is a link to the ADB bank:

    https://data.adb.org/dataset/statement-adbs-sovereign-loans-1968-2017





    Maybe you could supply the other lenders figures.
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    In your rush to lick China's asshole clean, I see you've lost track of the conversation again foobar, ...

    "Building military runways are NOT island resorts".

    If the Chinese wanted to demonstrate that "any ship" could pass through the area and challenge the idea: "might is right" is not a sensible approach to diplomacy .....of building military runways.

    If you need that explained to you then YOU DO have brain damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As your "factual" India Times report claims that, "China is already the largest lender to the island nation", in paragraph 3. I stopped reading. I presume you have copies of the Loan Agreements to share with us?

    However as I asked,




    for any factual evidence to support your allegations please post them here so we might analyse and reach a conclusion.

    Here is a link to the ADB bank:

    https://data.adb.org/dataset/statement-adbs-sovereign-loans-1968-2017





    Maybe you could supply the other lenders figures.

    Money talks Bullshit walks ! Its been like this since the stone age and the Chinese have proven throughout history that they are no exception.

    This statement has been brought to you by the "The Central Politburo of the Communist Party of Teakdoor".
    NO DISCUSSIONS ALLOWED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Oh dear, another behind the curve poster.

    Care to share the position of Sri Lanka's debt situation i.e who it owes what to and how much.

    Due diligence or posting fake "news"

    This may help your "knowledge" of their debt position.

    https://indianpunchline.com/sri-lankas-bop-crisis-is-an-eye-opener/


    I await any evidence, you may provide, disputing the linked above article's numbers.

    Jeezus H Christ you really are a Russian/ chinese Troll arent you?

    Here's the site if you want to "subscribe" to Indian Punchline.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/indian_punchline

    Note the start of the web address and here's a little more on Russian Insider, A pro Moscow pro kremlin rag based in ...yes you guessed it.... Russia.
    A bit more on Russian Insider. that certainly describes OhNo

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Insider

    The Asia Times and New York Times credibility of course pales into insignificance next to Russian Insider. So sorry my mistake.


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    None of it of course mitigates the fact that the chinkies indulged in predatory lending to a country they knew couldn't pay it back, and then swiped a port off them for 99 years, which was probably their intention in the first place.

    That's how Chinastan works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    None of it of course mitigates the fact that the chinkies indulged in predatory lending to a country they knew couldn't pay it back, and then swiped a port off them for 99 years, which was probably their intention in the first place.

    That's how Chinastan works.
    Dont forget the new Sri lankan International airport that has no planes landing. Nice due dilligence there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    The Asia Times and New York Times credibility of course pales into insignificance next to Russian Insider. So sorry my mistake.
    You are able to post which ever "sources" you wish,as we all are. If you beleive the numbers and accusations included in your posts without checking,
    it's up to you".

    I do look around the many "sources"and choose t accept the facts from proven, reliable sources. Your sources, Asia Times and NYT make allegations/fake news with no factual sources quoted.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    predatory lending to a country
    You must take that up with the Sri Lankan officials who accepted the deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Dont forget the new Sri lankan International airport that has no planes landing. Nice due dilligence there as well.
    "On 7 Sep 2014, the Japanese premier launched stage 2 of the second phase of the BIA development project on his arrival at the airport, which is being funded by the Japanese Government."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar...d_construction

    I don't think you're adding any benefit to 'arrys post, with such poorly checked sources.



    However you must take that up with the Sri Lankan officials who accepted, the Japanese funded projectl.

    Just in case anyone missed the faux pas by



    the airport was a Japanese funded projectl.
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