Thread: China 'building runway in disputed South China Sea island'

OhNo supporting China's illegal bullyboying is embarrassing.

Not least for the family. I wonder what it's family think of it. Spouse, spawn and sperm donors.

Really should move to China, suck some CCP cock, and aim for the dream goal - a Chinese passport.

Originally Posted by Geezy

China's illegal bullyboying

Care to quote your source for China's, alleged, illegal actions?

^
Why would it? China won't even respect international law, treaties regarding the sea, and rulings made based on that, so them hoping for some kind of imaginary "code of conduct" to be enforceable is joke. Are they going to set up an alternative UN for themselves too, and get their MoUs ratified by that with all it's Belt-and-Road/String-of-Pearls members? It doesn't work... not just because ASEAN isn't a serious legal entity, or because China is ignoring international law it doesn't like, but because the whole basis of everything is that it's built on agreement between the world's major powers. China trying to conjure up some kind of specious "code of conduct" with a few minor nations it's "investing in" is about as credible as Venezuela making a Code of Conduct in the Caribbean/Gulf with half a dozen banana republics there... laughable, and easily and legally ignored... China can't avoid the USA.

^Knockout post from the Nemo!

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

about as credible as Venezuela making a Code of Conduct in the Caribbean/Gulf with half a dozen banana republics there... laughable

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

China won't even respect international law, treaties regarding the sea, and rulings made based on that,

Care to list the actual international law, treaties or rulings China has disrespected? It might also be useful for you to list those that ameristan has acknowledged/"respects" by ratifying them.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

but because the whole basis of everything is that it's built on agreement between the world's major powers. China try

Yes one could look at what the "world powers" actually agreed and signed binding treaties, in Cairo and Potsdam. The gist of which was all the Japanese possessions at their WWII surrender which were claimed by China would be returned to them. That is one fact for you to refute.

The horses mouth tells some where to go.

Philippine FM lauds China's role in region, criticizes meddling from outsiders - Global Times

"China has played "a very positive role in the (Southeast Asian) region," Philippine Foreign Secretary Alan Peter Cayetano said on Tuesday. He said China's strong economy has fueled growth in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) region.

Addressing a question regarding a joint statement issued by Australia, Japan and the US a day before that said the dispute should be addressed based on last year's international tribunal's ruling, Cayetano said, "We are a sovereign nation. We will decide what is good for us and what strategy is good for us."
Foreign ministers of China and ASEAN approved a framework of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea on Sunday. At the press conference, Cayetano stressed the need to maintain stability in the region by focusing on positive development, adding that there is now relative peace in the South China Sea.

"We are not pro-China, pro-US, pro-Japan, or pro-whatever. We are pro-Philippines and more pro-ASEAN," Cayetano said, "We will appreciate not being told what to do."

What is China's 'magic island-making' ship?

China has unveiled a new dredging ship capable of creating islands such as those Beijing has already built in the disputed South China Sea.



Described as a "magical island-maker" by the institute that designed it, the vessel was unveiled on the eve of US President Donald Trump's tour of Asia.

China has been accused of creating artificial islands in the South China Sea to bolster its claims over the contested waters. The strategic sea is also claimed by Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.
Vital statistics

What's the ship called? The vessel has a highly symbolic name: Tian Kun Hao: a legendary enormous fish which can turn into a mythical bird.

How big and powerful is it? At 140m long, it's the biggest ship of its kind in China and - according to the designers - in Asia.

It appears to be a lot more powerful than China's current dredging vessels, and is capable of digging 6,000 cubic metres an hour, the equivalent of three standard swimming pools, from 35m below the water's surface.

What does it actually do? It can dredge anything from sand and mud to coral. It cuts material out from the sea bed, suctions it up and conveys it to as far as 15km from the ship to pile it up and form new "reclaimed" land. Similar - though smaller - vessels were used to build islands in the South China Sea starting in late 2013.
Why is it important?

"The significance of this is that it could be deployed to do further reclamation in the South China Sea," explains Alex Neill, Shangri-La Dialogue Senior Fellow with IISS Asia.

"The one that's really focussing people's minds is Scarborough Shoal. It hasn't been reclaimed but there were suggestions that it would be. The US though views Scarborough Shoal as a red line."
Image caption China has turned a number of reefs in the South China Sea into military posts

The timing could be a coincidence, says Mr Neill, but it is worth remembering the considerable tension South China Sea activity can generate.

The US has traditionally taken no set position in the territorial disputes, but it does assert so-called freedom of navigation operations which means it sails past or flies near the disputed islands - a strategy that angers China.

This ship "has been launched with a lot of fanfare and has been called the 'magic island-maker' in Chinese media. So it could very well be a signal that China feels emboldened to move further with its South China Sea claims," Mr Neill adds.

Why is the South China Sea contentious?
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"All the US can do is [have] Trump... reassert its concern about the reclamation activities."

China, however, has defied such criticism in the past and continued building islands and even placing military installations on them.
What else could it be used for?

Dredging vessels are used for a wide range of tasks and reclaiming land is only one of them. But the fact that Chinese state media has dubbed this the "magic island-maker" seems to suggest this will be at least part of its job.

As part of China's Belt and Road initiative to build a global trading network with China at its heart, Beijing is developing a number of ports in the Indian Ocean region and the Middle East. The Tian Kun Hao can also be used to drill deepwater ports wherever Beijing decides to send it.

What is China's 'magic island-making' ship? - BBC News

Originally Posted by Looper

The US has traditionally taken no set position in the territorial disputes, but it does assert so-called freedom of navigation operations which means it sails past or flies near the disputed islands - a strategy that angers China

As it conflicts with Chinese law.

It looks a little large to go far up the Mekong

Published on Oct 31, 2017
Some expect China to land its first deployments of jet fighters onto its runways in the Spratly islands in coming months, while regional military officers say it is already using the new facilities to expand naval and coast guard deployments deep into Southeast Asia.

They should land them today, take off when AF1 departs and escort AF1 to the Chinese border line.

Just being a gracious host ensuring a guest doesn't get attacked. The Chinese are sticklers for protocole.
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South China Sea: China accuses US warship of 'violating its sovereignty'

China's foreign ministry has accused a US warship of entering its territorial waters without permission and said it would take "necessary measures" to ensure its sovereignty was protected.
Key points:

China says the USS Hopper travelled too close to the disputed Scarborough Shoal
The island, also claimed by the Philippines, is part of the disputed South China Sea
An international court found China has no historic title over the area

On the evening of January 17, missile destroyer USS Hopper came within 12 nautical miles of the Scarborough Shoal, a disputed territory in the South China Sea, the ministry said on its website.



The ministry identified the island by its Chinese name, Huangyan Island. The territory is claimed by the Philippines as well as China.

An international court in the Hague previously found that China had no historic title over the area, and that it had breached the Philippines' sovereign rights with its actions there.
Before and after: South China Sea

See how China is converting reefs to military facilities by building artificial islands in the South China Sea.

China's navy ordered the US vessel to withdraw after determining its identity, China's foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang was quoted as saying.

Mr Lu said the ship violated China's sovereignty and security interests and threatened the safety of China's vessels and personnel in the vicinity.

The United States has criticised China for constructing islands and military installations in the region, saying they could be used to restrict free nautical movement.

US vessels have conducted a series of "freedom of navigation" patrols in the region.

China "firmly opposes" efforts to use freedom of navigation as an excuse to hurt its sovereignty and urged the United States to "correct its mistakes", Mr Lu said.

In a separate statement on Saturday, China's defence ministry said the repeated dispatch of US warships to the region was "undermining regional peace and stability" and hurting bilateral relations.

China has previously criticised Australia using similar language.

Last month, China's navy chief reportedly told his Australian counterpart that navy activity in the region had gone against "peace and stability" in the region.

Australian navy personnel had taken part in a three-month series of drills with 10 other nations, some of which took place in the South China Sea, according to Chinese media.

Australia has also conducted aerial patrols in the South China Sea, but has not taken part in the United States' freedom of navigation patrols.

ABC/Reuters

South China Sea: China accuses US warship of 'violating its sovereignty' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Log the incident, make a verbal announcement. Get on with global domination. Oz sulks under the kilt of ameristan, what's new.

China really gets close to being an Orwellian "Big Brother" state when they say things like "navy activity in the region had gone against "peace and stability" in the region".

Next they'll be saying "War means Peace".

^ One assumes the Chinese leader of the Chinese navy, is referring to warships of other countries rather than all ships military , commercial or pleasure.

Originally Posted by Looper

An international court found China has no historic title over the area

Of course, this was a strange ruling, given that the Chinese discovered them, first named them, and occupied and governed them as far back as 111AD.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Oz sulks under the kilt of ameristan, what's new.

Ask them maybe:

As a whole, Australian residents identifying themselves as having Chinese ancestry made up 5.6% of those nominating their ancestry at the 2016 censusand numbered 1,213,903.

They are our oldest ethnic group, having come here in the 1860s for the gold rush.

China installs cruise missiles on South China Sea outposts: report

3 May 2018
WRITER: REUTERS



Chinese dredging vessels are purportedly seen in the waters around Fiery Cross Reef in the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea in this still image from video taken by a P-8A Poseidon surveillance aircraft provided by the United States Navy May 21, 2015. (Reuters file photo)

WASHINGTON: China has installed anti-ship cruise missiles and surface-to-air missile systems on three of its outposts in the South China Sea, US news network CNBC reported on Wednesday, citing sources with direct knowledge of US intelligence reports.

The move, if confirmed, would mark the first Chinese missile deployments in the Spratly Islands, where several Asian countries including Vietnam and Taiwan have rival claims. China's Defence Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

CNBC quoted unnamed sources as saying that according to US intelligence assessments, the missiles were moved to Fiery Cross Reef, Subi Reef and Mischief Reef within the past 30 days.

The US Defense Department, which opposes China's installation of military facilities on outposts it has built up in the South China Sea, declined comment. "We don't comment on matters of intelligence," a spokesman said.
China has made no mention of any missile deployments but says its military facilities in the Spratlys are purely defensive, and that it can do what it likes on its own territory.

Greg Poling, a South China Sea expert at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, said deploying missiles on the outposts would be important.

"These would be the first missiles in the Spratlys, either surface to air, or anti-ship," he said.

He added that such deployments were expected as China built missile shelters on the reefs last year and already deployed such missile systems on Woody Island further to the north.

Poling said it would be a major step on China's road to dominating the South China Sea, a key global trade route.
"Before this, if you were one of the other claimants ... you knew that China was monitoring your every move. Now you will know that you're operating inside Chinese missile range. That's a pretty strong, if implicit, threat," he said.
CNBC said the YJ-12B anti-ship cruise missiles allowed China to strike vessels within 295 nautical miles. It said the HQ-9B long-range surface-to-air missiles could target aircraft, drones and cruise missiles within 160 nautical miles.

Last month, US Admiral Philip Davidson, nominated to head US Pacific Command, said China's "forward operating bases" in the South China Sea appeared complete.

"The only thing lacking are the deployed forces," he said. Once these were added, "China will be able to extend its influence thousands of miles to the south and project power deep into Oceania".

Davidson said China could use the bases to challenge the US regional presence, and "would easily overwhelm the military forces of any other South China Sea-claimants.

"China is now capable of controlling the South China Sea in all scenarios short of war with the United States," he said.

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From the OP, three yesrs ago :

Originally Posted by Looper

"China's work on the [Spratly] islands mostly serves civil purposes apart from meeting the needs of military defence. China is aiming to provide shelter, aid in navigation, weather forecasts and fishery assistance to ships of various countries passing through the sea," a commentary carried prominently by Xinhua news agency on Thursday read.

Yeah, right.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

From the OP, three yesrs ago:

Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post

"China's work on the [Spratly] islands mostly serves civil purposes apart from meeting the needs of military defence. China is aiming to provide shelter, aid in navigation, weather forecasts and fishery assistance to ships of various countries passing through the sea," a commentary carried prominently by Xinhua news agency on Thursday read.

Yeah, right.

You must have missed the bold words above.

Are you suggesting that the introduction of lighthouses, navigation buoys, radars, medical facilities, shelters and fishermen assistance have not been constructed and are not beneficial to all mariners in the area?

One could claim that as the amerstani increasingly threatens the Chinese islands with their warships and bombers, they have rightly added defences to protected them from any invasion.

The Chinese are on hand in case any ameristani or Australian warships "accidentally" run into a container ship and either needs assistance.

Originally Posted by OhOh

ameristani

Bit worn out and repetitive innit?

Originally Posted by Luigi

Of course, this was a strange ruling, given that the Chinese discovered them, first named them, and occupied and governed them as far back as 111AD.

Care to share the video with us proving this happened?


(c) OhOh MXMCLMCMXVIICMXIVVCIXML

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Care to share the video with us proving this happened?

Grampa or Newbie Dave just started a thread with the youtube video of it.