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Old 30-05-2015, 12:10 AM   #26 (permalink)
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And the Taiwanese have asked all concerned parties to shelve there disagreements for talks.
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US calls for immediate end to China's island-building; vows more patrols

The United States has called for an immediate end to China's intensifying reclamation works in the South China Sea and vowed to continue sending military aircraft and ships to the tense region.

US defence secretary Ash Carter told a high-level security conference in Singapore that Beijing was behaving "out of step" with international norms. But this drew a scathing response from China's foreign ministry in Beijing.

"China has reclaimed over 2,000 acres, more than all other claimants combined ... and China did so in only the last 18 months," Mr Carter said at the annual Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore.

"It is unclear how much farther China will go."

He said the United States was "deeply concerned" about the scale of China's land reclamation and the prospect of further militarization of the islands, saying it would boost "the risk of miscalculation or conflict".

A Chinese delegate at the forum initially gave a measured response, in which he said Mr Carter's comments were not as hostile as those made at the Shangri-La Dialogue in previous years, but the foreign ministry reacted strongly.

The Spratly Islands




Foreign Correspondent visits the remote reef flashpoint where Filipino marines hold out against the Chinese navy.



"The United States disregards history, legal principles and the facts," spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

"China's sovereignty and relevant rights were established a long time ago in the South China Sea," she said, adding that China's island-building is "legal, reasonable, conforms to the situation and neither impacts nor targets any country."

Despite the rhetoric, Mr Carter said there was no military solution to the South China Sea disputes.

"Right now is the time for renewed diplomacy, focused on a finding a lasting solution that protects the rights and interests of all," he said.
Admiral Sun Jianguo, the head of Beijing's delegation, addresses the conference on Sunday.

China took a measured tone after bilateral meetings with Japan and Vietnam on Friday, two of the states it is embroiled with in maritime sovereignty disputes.

In his speech, Mr Carter urged China and the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) to adopt a "code of conduct" in the disputed waters this year.


Photo: The US Navy has released footage purporting to show Chinese vessels during outcrops into islands. (Reuters/US Navy)

According to state news agency Xinhua, China's vice foreign minster said the code was "meant to be a set of rules for China and countries in this region rather than rules set by outsiders for us," adding that "positive progress" had been made.

ASEAN members Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei claim parts of the sea, along with Taiwan.

Meanwhile, Japan and China both claim islands that lie between them in the East China Sea.

But earlier this week, Beijing was assertive about the disputes.
In a policy document issued by the State Council, the country's cabinet, China vowed to increase its "open seas protection", switching from air defence to both offence and defence, and criticised neighbours who took "provocative actions" on its reefs and islands.

Mr Carter's remarks in Singapore came a day after the Pentagon confirmed reports that China had put mobile artillery at one of its reclaimed islands in the South China Sea.

The US defence chief insisted US forces would continue to "fly, sail and operate" in the region to ensure the freedom of navigation and overflight permitted by law.

A maritime power play




The dispute over the South China Sea pits China against its smaller, weaker regional neighbours, writes South-East Asia correspondent Samantha Hawley.



"America, alongside its allies and partners ... will not be deterred from exercising these rights," Mr Carter said.

"Turning an underwater rock into an airfield simply does not afford the rights of sovereignty or permit restrictions on international air or maritime transit."
Japan's defence minister said China and other parties in the dispute had to behave responsibly.

"If we leave any unlawful situation unattended, order will soon turn to disorder, and peace and stability will collapse," Gen Nakatani told the forum.
"I hope and expect all the countries, including China, to behave as a responsible power," he said.

Malaysia's defence minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, urged all parties in the South China Sea dispute to exercise restraint or face potentially dangerous consequences.

"This has the potential to escalate into one of the deadliest conflicts of our time, if not history," he said.

"Inflamed rhetoric does not do any nation any good."

Vietnam, China, Malaysia have eyes on the prize


Explore the conflicting territorial claims in the South China Sea



Rich in resources and traversed by a quarter of global shipping, the South China Sea is the stage for several territorial disputes that threaten to escalate tensions in the region.

At the heart of these disputes are a series of barren islands in two groups - the Spratly Islands, off the coast of the Philippines, and the Paracel Islands, off the coasts of Vietnam and China.

South China Sea: US calls for immediate end to China's island-building; vows more patrols - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Chinese = kunts of the world, with the Russians a close second behind them.

I urge you to find somebody who actually likes mainland China or its people. I've asked dozens and dozens of people in various Asian countries and they all say "no, don't like".
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This is the Chinese claim, and it's quite ludicrous :

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It's a Sinocentric world.

Best become accustomed to the idea.

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Recently at a 2015 IISS Shangri-La Dialogue, The 14th Asia Security Summit, the USA Government Officer, a US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, outlined why China et al should halt development of islands in the South China sea.

"an immediate and lasting halt to land reclamation by all claimants"

His full speech, which includes Pacific in it's title - probably to ensure that the US can continue to "comment" is here:

The United States and Challenges of Asia-Pacific Security: Ashton Carter | IISS

Reactions from some of the countries developing or that have developed "their" islands including Vietnam, their spokesman, the Vietnam's Defense Minister Phung Quang Thanh said,

,""We have some activities to enhance and consolidate the islands that are under our sovereignty. We do not expand the islands, we just consolidate to prevent erosion because of waves".

The Chinese replied:

China Voice: South China Sea issue should not hinder China-U.S. ties - Xinhua | English.news.cn

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If unnecessary anxiety by the U.S. and oversensitivity to the South China Sea issue is developing to the severity that hurts the stability and development of the Asia-Pacific region, it will run against the common aspiration of the people and countries of the Asia-Pacific region and be detrimental to the United States itself.

On the whole, the China-U.S. relationship is developing on a steady track, the stability brooks no disturbance or troublemaking. More importantly, both sides should properly handle disputes so as not to distract the overall direction of the bilateral ties. The world's most important bilateral relationship deserves to be cherished.

The South China Sea issue will not and should not become an obstacle of the China-U.S. ties. Washington should be aware of this and be discreet in its words and deeds."


and Here:


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion...t_20894533.htm


"China - we note for the purposes of historical accuracy and fairness - formally ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea for all nations a long time ago, but the US still withholds ratification. Over the years obstructionists in the US Senate have withheld formal ratification on the grounds that American interests might not have unimpeded sway due to UNCLOS. The whole point of international laws is that they are designed to compel compliance by all nations, and not play favorites"


"Rather than raise its South China Sea profile, the US should bob and weave out there with the utmost care, no matter how allegedly saintly its intentions."

From Russia’s Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov:

http://www.iiss.org/-/media/Document...15/Antonov.pdf

"We are concerned by U.S. policies in the region, especially since every day it becomes increasingly focused on a systemic containment of Russia and China… Despite our concerns about the U.S. global missile defense architecture, they continue a policy of disrupting strategic stability, adding a regional segment of an anti-missile ‘shield’ in the Asia-Pacific.

An epidemic of ‘color revolutions’ swept the Middle East and, like a hurricane, wiped out several states in the region. This disease went across several European countries, where events are freely controlled from the outside."



As you can see a number of countries have "developed their" islands.




More on the event can be found here:

Shangri-La Dialogue 2015 | IISS


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Except that is basically what Russia, and now China, has been engaging in.
And Israel.
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You never forget Israel, Mr G. Good on you.

China's 9.6 Million km2 land is home to 1.355 Billion citizens = approx population density 141 people /km2.

Israel's 22,000 km2 land is home to 7 Million = approx 318 people/km2.

Of course Gaza's 25,000 people/km2 is simply deplorable.

Then again Macau is at 170,000/km2...Hong Kong 46,000/km2...Singapore 46,000/km2...unbelievable, wouldn't one know ?

Saudi Arabia 85 people /km2.
UAE 200 people /km2.
They want nothing to do with their Arab brothers...nothing, strange that.

Aah...but never forget Israel...

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Beijing Announces Completion of Land Reclamation in South China Sea

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BEIJING (DPA) China's land reclamation in the South China Sea will "be completed in the upcoming days," state-run media said Tuesday, as the project has increased tensions in disputed areas.

China will now start to build facilities, Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang was quoted as saying by Xinhua news agency.

"Apart from satisfying the need of necessary military defense, the main purpose of China's construction activities is to meet various civilian demands and better perform China's international obligations and responsibilities," he said.

Those include search and rescue, disaster prevention, scientific research, meteorological observation, environmental conservation, navigation safety as well as fishing management, Lu said.

China has drawn criticism for building airstrips and buildings on reefs in parts of the South China Sea far beyond its shoreline, including in territories administrated by its neighbours.

They include the Spratly Islands and the nearby Paracels, known to the Chinese as the Nansha and Xisha, respectively.

Lu said construction on the Nansha islands and reefs was "lawful, reasonable and justified."

Beijing Announces End to Land Reclamation in South China Sea
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"Apart from satisfying the need of necessary military defense, the main purpose of China's construction activities is to meet various civilian demands and better perform China's international obligations and responsibilities," he said.

Those include search and rescue, disaster prevention, scientific research, meteorological observation, environmental conservation, navigation safety as well as fishing management, Lu said.
They must have a committee to dream up all the most idealistic reasons they can think of....a bit like the Japs doing "scientific research" whilst actually whaling.
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The NYT suggests that the Chinese have folded due to the immense US pressure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/wo...them.html?_r=0

But then the USA is an exceptionally powerful country that all must kow tow too.
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Photos, not from 25 miles via an "Exceptional" countries satellite, but actually a person, with his mobile phone at ground level.

The beach building is finished, the hotel, maybe, a few recliners and palm trees have yet to be delivered, but the first charter flight has arrived in the South China Sea resort.

The adds for waitresses, chambermaids and hostesses are appearing in the Bangkok Post Friday.


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It seems the japanese, along with thier best "exceptional buddy" have also taken a similar view on "rocks/Island" reconstruction. To the annoyance of the Chinese.

Okinotorishima-ization: South China Sea arbitration case enters middle game | Asia Times

Recommendations of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) and Strategic Importance of Okinotori-shima ? ???? FROM THE OCEANS

Okinotorishima-ization: South China Sea arbitration case enters middle game

By Peter Lee on July 18, 2015 in Asia Times News & Features, China, Southeast Asia
"Two disputed geographic features in the South China Sea that are the focus of island-building by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), Fiery Cross and South Johnson Reef, were both originally endowed with natural pre-existing rocks protruding above the waterline at high tide. That’s big news"

"But there is a shadow over the Philippines’ prospects.


Okinotorishima.
Until the Fiery Cross project builds out, Okinotorishima stands as the biggest island-building project in the Western Pacific.
By Japan. Over 1000 miles south of Tokyo.
Over three decades, Japan has poured a reported $600 million dollars into forestalling the erosion of a couple of rocks no bigger than a studio bedroom at high tide."




"Islands and rocks are addressed in one section of the UNCLOS treaty, Article 121, Regime of Islands. Unfortunately, Article 121 is something of a syntactical train wreck and was reportedly a candidate for amendment or partial deletion during the original drafting process. It created a useful loophole for Japan to protect the strategic value of its sizable investment in Okinotorishima.

Here’s the explanation from the Japanese think tank originally charged with formulating the Okinotoroshima gambit:
China (asserts) “Okinotori-shima is a rock, not an island, and the EEZ which is measured by a rock as the base point should not be recognized,” and has continued to conduct its marine survey activities inside that EEZ.
The “Regime of Island,” UNCLOS Part VIII, Article 121, by which China makes the definition of island the basis of its claim, is stipulated as follows. (Article 121 is quoted in its entirety below.–PL)
  1. An island is a naturally formed area of land, surrounded by water, which is above water at high tide.
  2. Except as provided for in paragraph 3, the territorial sea, the contiguous zone, the exclusive economic zone and the continental shelf of an island are determined in accordance with the provisions of this Convention applicable to other land territory.
  3. Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.
The government of Japan claims that the status of Okinotori-shima from the viewpoint of international law is an island in accordance with the provision of paragraph 1 above, while the basis China claims is in accordance with the provision of paragraph 3, and thus Okinotori-shima is made of rocks and not considered an island. The view of the Japanese government is that paragraph 3 provides the qualification not of island but rocks, and therefore, it is not related to the provision of paragraph 1. However, in order to be more persuasive to other countries regarding the status of Okinotori-shima as an island, Japan must clarify compatibility with the paragraph 1 as well as not contravene paragraph 3. The preservation of Okinotori-shima as an island is an agenda urgently required for Japan

So, Okinotorishima isn’t “rocks”; it’s “an island”, or at the very least it’s “not definitely rocks” according to the public declaration of the Japanese government and a lot of careful parsing by Japanese academics. And by the Japanese government’s interpretation of Article 121, only uninhabited “rocks” can’t have EEZs. Uninhabited “islands” can. So Okinotorishima is entitled to a 200 mile EEZ.

And no one can say them nay.

And the way to make it more “islandy” is through … island building."
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US B-52 bombers flying over South China Sea manmade islands contacted by Chinese

Two US B-52 strategic bombers flying near Chinese manmade islands in the South China Sea recently were contacted by Chinese ground controllers but continued their mission undeterred, the Pentagon said.

"We conduct B-52 flights in international air space in that part of the world all the time," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told a briefing.
In the latest mission, which occurred overnight on November 8 and 9, the bombers flew "in the area" of the Spratly Islands but did not come within the 12-nautical-mile zones that China claims as its territory, Pentagon spokesman Commander Bill Urban said.

"The B-52s were on a routine mission in the SCS (South China Sea)," taking off from and returning to Guam, Mr Urban said.

Chinese ground controllers contacted the bombers but the aircraft continued their mission unabated, he said.

The latest US patrol in the disputed South China Sea occurred in advance of president Barack Obama's visit to the region next week to attend Asia-Pacific summits where he is expected the re-assert Washington's commitment to freedom of navigation and overflight in the area.

Before and after: South China Sea




See how China is converting reefs to military facilities by building artificial islands in the South China Sea.


White House spokesman Josh Earnest said he did not know whether the South China Sea would be on the formal agenda at any of the three Asia summits, but added it would be "on the minds and lips" of world leaders who gather there.

China claims most of the South China Sea through which more than $5 trillion in global trade passes every year, and the US has said it will continue conducting patrols to assure unimpeded passage.

Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims in the region.

Last week, a top US admiral said in Beijing the US military would continue to operate wherever international law allows after infuriating China by sailing close to artificial islands it is building in the South China Sea.

"The South China Sea is not and will not be an exception," he said.
In late October, the USS Lassen guided missile destroyer travelled within 12 nautical miles of at least one of the land formations China claims in the disputed Spratly Islands.

The US and Chinese navies recently held high-level talks after the challenge, with a US official saying they have agreed to maintain dialogue to avoid clashes.

Vietnam, China, Malaysia have eyes on the prize


Explore the conflicting territorial claims in the South China Sea



Rich in resources and traversed by a quarter of global shipping, the South China Sea is the stage for several territorial disputes that threaten to escalate tensions in the region.

At the heart of these disputes are a series of barren islands in two groups - the Spratly Islands, off the coast of the Philippines, and the Paracel Islands, off the coasts of Vietnam and China.

US B-52 bombers flying over South China Sea manmade islands contacted by Chinese ground control - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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So "barren" that Ameristan is willing to fight for them. Or is their desire to "uphold international law"? The pertinent one they are "upholding" they are not signatories too.

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If it was not for the yanks to call the bluff on the chinese, the chinese in the future would
control the seas right next to vietnam, philippines and malaysia and the viets, malays and flips would be sooking but they did not have the balls to man up.
good on the yanks,the spratleys are about chinese as i am.
ps, i am right and white.
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It is not a very Chinese name is it. They sound British to me.
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It's spelt splattly islands in china looper
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They sound British to me.
Long, long ago the British named most of the worlds islands and made the maps. it was part of their gift to the world.

Prior tho that the Spanish and Portuguese. Prior to that, in Asia, the Chines named all the islands. Don't believe that everyone in the world falls for the British version of place names, laws, history and maps.

Not many new names from the UAE, Unexceptional American Empire though.
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For all the "fighting talk" eminating fro Ameristan and it's vassal state Philippine it appears Vietnam, Singapore and Pakistan can't wait to sign up deals with China. Expanding the Free Trade Agreements, not sure how the TPP fits in with these types of previously agreed procedures. Pakistan leasing, for 43 years, a port on the Arabian Gulf, shades of Hong Kong.

All this country to country talking, signing deals, expanding ties and not a drone in sight.

China Focus: Belt and Road to boost China-ASEAN economic ties - Xinhua | English.news.cn

"BEIJING, Nov. 11 (Xinhua) -- China's Belt and Road initiative, highlighted during President Xi Jinping's visit to Vietnam and Singapore last week, is set to boost bilateral ties and facilitate trade and investment between China and Southeast Asian nations.

During Xi's three-day trip, China and Vietnam reached consensus on expanding cooperation within the framework of the initiative and Vietnam's "Two Corridors and One Economic Circle" plan, as well as on production capacity cooperation.
In a 20-point statement, China and Singapore agreed to cooperate in Belt and Road construction, trade, city planning, education and customs, among others."


Commentary: Xi's Vietnam, Singapore visit builds new diplomatic furniture in Southeast Asian countries - Xinhua | English.news.cn


"Commentary: China's neighborhood diplomacy charts blueprint for a prosperous Asia



SINGAPORE, Nov. 7 (Xinhua) -- Singaporean Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has said he had a fruitful meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping on Saturday, and President Xi's visit has further deepened bilateral warm and substantial ties.
Lee updated his Facebook account Saturday, saying Singapore has signed several agreements with China, including the third government-to-government project in Chongqing, launching the upgrade of the China-Singapore Free Trade Agreement, collaboration on education, urban management and customs, which will open up more opportunities for mutual exchange, trade, investments and development."


http://en.people.cn/n/2015/1111/c90000-8974374.html

"Pakistani authorities will formally hand over 2,281 acres of Gwadar Port’s free trade zone on a lease of 43 years to the Chinese state-owned company, China Overseas Ports Holding Company on November 11, 2015.

Wang Xiaotao, Chinese Vice Chairman of National Development and Reform Commission, will lead a delegation of top-level officials and private companies leaders to attend the hand-over ceremony.

Ahsan Iqbal, Pakistani Federal Minister for Planning, Development and Reform will also attend the ceremony. A high level meeting of both authorities will be held in Karachi on November 12 to complete the formalities. The Pakistani government has already declared Gwadar port a free trade zone for the next 23 years.

The scheme is part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), an ambitious $46 billion investment plan linking western China to the Arabian Sea with infrastructure, energy and transport projects."

A trans - shipment point on the Arabian Sea is now available for Chinese and other Asian countries to bypass the Malacca Straights, along with the Ameristan navy, if it is commercially suitable.

Asia is surely the place to be these days.

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linking western China to the Arabian Sea with infrastructure, energy and transport projects."

A lot of the mineral wealth from Tibet will travel through here.
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linking western China to the Arabian Sea with infrastructure, energy and transport projects."

A lot of the mineral wealth from Tibet will travel through here.
Who cares what goes through it as long as it isn't weapons, drugs or Thai masseuse.
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