Thread: UK to charge students/long term visitors for NHS access

Originally Posted by buriramboy

You talk about facts after a post like this, are you without children and live in a hamlet in some remote part of the UK? No mention of tax credits then. Do you even have a basic understanding of economics and the mess the Tories inherited in 2010, when you do some basic reading you might begin to understand why public borrowing has increased.

I assure you I have a far better understanding of economics than you do or are ever likely to have. The mess the Tories inherited was the making of their own cronies i.e. the Bankers. Labour had to bail them out, if they hadn't you and many others would have been left penniless - a fact which escapes your attention. You are the one who needs to do some basic reading!

Originally Posted by Ronin

Originally Posted by buriramboy

You talk about facts after a post like this, are you without children and live in a hamlet in some remote part of the UK? No mention of tax credits then. Do you even have a basic understanding of economics and the mess the Tories inherited in 2010, when you do some basic reading you might begin to understand why public borrowing has increased.

I assure you I have a far better understanding of economics than you do or are ever likely to have. The mess the Tories inherited was the making of their own cronies i.e. the Bankers. Labour had to bail them out, if they hadn't you and many others would have been left penniless - a fact which escapes your attention. You are the one who needs to do some basic reading!

This post of yours typically sums up the tripe the loony left actually believe and let me guess you live in a constituency that if Labour put up Jimmy Saville as a candidate you and your ilk would still vote Labour as your father did and grandfather before him. Labour were in power for 13 years, it was they who deregulated the banks on seeing how much money they were bringing into the treasury coffers which like every Labour government before them they then squandered on dumb ill thought out socialist policies leaving the country bankrupt same as the last time they were in power in the late seventies. But don't worry I'm sure a Labour/SNP coalition will bring Britain the socialist uptopia that gives you wet dreams.

Giving dole money to healthy fit people who can work but choose not too was never gonna work.

You have to put in more then you take out - fundamental law of nature if humans are to survive.

The welfare state was driven into a corrupt state by those that seek to divide and destroy.

Welfare is for the elderly and the handicapped.

Once you offer it to the lazy and corrupt you've messed everyone up.

Originally Posted by Dapper

Giving dole money to healthy fit people who can work but choose not too was never gonna work.

How right you are, it's taking the piss out of everyone that does make the effort.
Everything/one on the planet is useful in one way or another in their own environment ...........they are related in some way
But Climate change is in denial by the folk who have too much power.
leaving us totally vulnerable
as with pesticides in grub.
Mismanagement at its most effective to destroy.

yet it is related.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Is there an election coming up?? Yet again government attacking the easy target as they are powerless to prevent the hundreds of thousands of people entering the UK from within the EU and using the NHS for free.

Actually, it's not just in the UK... in Spain you will here this familiar lament aimed at British pensioner expats.

This whole system can't go on... you can't have your cake and eat it; rob Peter to pay Paul etc...

The NHS was created in a world where we had a homogenous population who identified with each other as a common group, who also didn't live long past 70, to pay for big health care needs they could never afford. It made sense then, in that post-WW2 world. It doesn't make sense now, and people need to get their heads out of the sand and start rethinking the whole system: there's a difference between what we need, and what we want.

This safety net and rule of law are primary products of our culture, and everyone in the world naturally finds them very attractive, and would like to have a slice. However, we cannot look after the whole world, and we cannot admit one person with story of misery and then turn round to another and say no - that is not compassionate or fair.

My Thai parents in law were denied a visa to visit the UK, and I understand the reasons why, and I can't disagree. It's a finite resource and has to be administered without emotion to be as efficient as possible.
Naturally I resent those from abroad getting something that others from abroad can't. This is why we have to escape the EU empire - to make the system fair towards all foreigners.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

The NHS was created in a world where we had a homogenous population who identified with each other as a common group

I'm trying to figure out if this is the biggest pile of crap I've read for a long time . . . and that includes piwanoi's rantings . . .

Yes. It is

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Naturally I resent those from abroad getting something that others from abroad can't. This is why we have to escape the EU empire - to make the system fair towards all foreigners.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

people need to get their heads out of the sand and start rethinking the whole system: there's a difference between what we need, and what we want.

Quite.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

This safety net and rule of law are primary products of our culture, and everyone in the world naturally finds them very attractive, and would like to have a slice. However, we cannot look after the whole world, and we cannot admit one person with story of misery and then turn round to another and say no - that is not compassionate or fair.

Absolutely corect

folk can abuse their bodies without fear
knowing that the good ole NHS will pick up the tab.
more value on personal health should be looked at.
monsanto's pesticides have managed to half the sperm count for many
killed of birds and other wild-life, monarch butterfly decimated.
pharma's poisoning folk with mother's lil helper pills and whatever else they can push down our throats.
it's the national death service now for us oldies.

The monarch butterfly isn't, and never has been, a natural resident of the UK. No lfp to support it.