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    Obviously you are cool with innocent being condemned to death. Human sacrifices for your questionable deterrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    If one were attempting to survive in modern Iraq and recalled the genesis of the current catastrophe which has overwhelmed them then one may well consider the Twin Towers as somewhat satisfying in hindsight. Certainly, i would if I had seen my children destroyed by laser guided ordnance, my parents entombed under tons of concrete courtesy of some accidentally targeted cruise missile or my wife slaughtered by a member of any one of myriad militia unleashed by the anarchy of the illegal invasion of my country.
    you make a very good case for the death penalty for murderers.
    Plenty of criminals deserve to die, but the state can't be relied upon to apply the death penalty without making mistakes that lead to innocent people dying.

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    innocents die every day, it has never been a perfect world

    the proportion of innocents executed these days in the usa for crimes they did not commit is negligible.

    maybe three people from the 1300 or so executed since say 1990, or 0.02%

    its hardly lynch mob justice as some would opine.

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    ^The number of people discovered to have been wrongly accused of murder and rape- also a capital offense- based on DNA is hardly negligible. "maybe three people from the 1300 or so executed since say 1990, or 0.02%"- From which dark orifice did you pull that figure?

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    if you dispute it, then give me your figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    if you dispute it, then give me your figures.

    You posted it, back it up.
    Cite?

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    ^^^ Rape is the most difficult crime to defend ones self against since almost any questions about the alleged victims veracity are essentially banned.

    Fortunately the SCOTUS has already ruled the death penalty Unconstitutional for a rape that is not accompanied by a murder.

    In 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court in Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584, held that the death penalty for the rape of an adult was "grossly disproportionate" and an "excessive punishment," and hence was unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment. The Court looked at the relatively few states that allowed the death penalty for rape and the few death sentences that had been handed down.

    Texas and a few other states do allow the death penalty for a second conviction of child rape/molestation, but not the first conviction.

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    figures since 1990.






    Executions by Year | Death Penalty Information Center



    Wrongful Executions | National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty


    1. Troy Davis



    Troy Anthony Davis and Sylvester “Redd” Coles were in a parking lot in Georgia in 1989, when Coles argued with and attacked a homeless man named Larry Young. Off-duty police officer Mark McPhail came to Young’s aid and was shot and killed by someone wielding a .38 caliber revolver. Coles admitted to carrying a .38 that night and several other witnesses implicated Coles as the shooter. Yet Coles was never treated as a suspect. Davis was convicted of murder based on scant physical evidence and the testimony of nine witnesses, seven of whom later recanted their testimony or admitted it was false.1 His case drew attention across the globe and sparked an international outcry to save his life. Public figures including President Jimmy Carter, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Sister Helen Prejean, Pope Benedict XVI, Harry Belafonte, 51 members of Congress, and former FBI director William S. Sessions spoke out against the execution.2 More than 250 rallies, teach-ins, silent vigils, and other events were held in cities all over the world to protest his execution. Amnesty International and other advocacy groups delivered a record number of petitions — more than 630,000 — to the Georgia Board of Pardons and Parole requesting a stay of execution.3 Troy Anthony Davis was put to death on September 21, 2011.


    2. Gary Graham





    Gary Graham (A.K.A. Shaka Sankofa) was sentenced to death at the age of 18 in 1981 in Texas for the robbery and murder of Bobby Lambert. His conviction was based largely on the testimony of one witness who said she saw him through a windshield from 30 to 40 feet away. His court-appointed lawyer failed to call two witnesses who said they had seen the killer that night, and it was not Graham. There was also no physical evidence linking Graham to the murder, and the gun he had in his possession was not the murder weapon.10 Graham had acknowledged crimes he had committed as a teenager, apologizing in writing and verbally to the victims. However, he unwaveringly maintained his innocence of the murder. He was executed in 2000.


    3. Cameron Todd Willingham



    Cameron Todd Willingham was executed in Texas in 2004 for murdering his three young daughters by setting his house on fire. Willingham’s conviction was based on faulty forensic science which concluded that the fire was caused by arson. Multiple fire science experts reviewed the case and objected to Willingham’s execution stating there was no evidence that the fire was intentionally set. In 2010 the Texas Forensic Science Commission released a report admitting that Willingham’s conviction was based on “flawed science.11,12 One of the witnesses during the trial, an inmate, who testified that Willingham confessed to the killing while in jail, later recanted. Willingham’s last words were: “Please clear my name. I did not kill my children.”13 Willingham’s family is currently seeking a posthumous pardon from the state of Texas.


    so, unfortunate and distressing as that may be, it is 3 cases in 25 years and 1300 executions.

    hardly boko harem, isis or saudi arabia.
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