Thread: Hostages held in siege in Martin Place, Sydney in lockdown

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I should imagine the Abos feel as strongly about banning white men, and, certainly, with good reason.

Is the reason given as to why Abbos should ban Whitemen as valid as the reason why Gullivers banned sausages ?

Are you truly that stupid?

I m not stupid enough to realise that once again Muslims launch an attack and then claim to be the victims of some imaginary offence .
No one has said to "Ban Islam" in Australia . Or at least that isnt the general consensus .
Australians generally supported Muslims after the attacks , but now the Muslims apologists are using the "Ban Islam" slogan to appear to be the victims of discrimination .

Originally Posted by kingwilly

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Questions have been raised about whether commonwealth and state agencies share enough information. It is believed agencies made decisions without having access to information that other agencies knew about. It will form part of the urgent review ordered by Prime Minister Abbott.

Man Haron Monis: The 10 fatal failures

The left hand knoweth not what the right hand doeth.

Originally Posted by Fluke

........once again Muslims launch an attack and then claim to be the victims of some imaginary offence .

now the Muslims apologists are using the "Ban Islam" slogan to appear to be the victims of discrimination .

Muslims will always play the victim card, before, to justify the act and after committing an atrocity in anticipation of a backlash.

Originally Posted by ENT

Muslims will always play the victim card

irony of that statement being address to a fake jewish pro zionist completely lost on you then Ent?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Muslims will always play the victim card

irony of that statement being address to a fake jewish pro zionist completely lost on you then Ent?

Prove me wrong.

December 22 2014


The partner of Sydney siege gunman Man Haron Monis has had her bail revoked on a charge of murder, with a court finding she poses an "unacceptable risk".

A deputy director of public prosecutions acknowledged there had been some failings on the department's behalf when Amirah Droudis successfully applied for bail in December 2013, a month after she was charged with the murder of Monis's ex-wife.

Chief Magistrate Graeme Henson said he considered Droudis's prior conviction, the nature of the alleged offence, and the remote possibility she would skip bail when making the decision to place her into custody.

"I find there is an unacceptable risk that cannot be properly mitigated by a further extension of bail," Henson told the Downing Centre Local Court on Monday.

She was charged in November last year with murdering Noleen Hayson Pal, who had been stabbed 18 times and then set alight in the stairwell of her Werrington home in April.


Last year she was found guilty, along with Monis, of sending abusive letters to the families of dead Australian Defence Force personnel. She was awaiting sentence in the ADF case at the time of the alleged murder, the court heard.

"Decison making in relation to bail is only as good as the information provided to it," he said.


Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions John PIckering earlier said that videos in which Droudis endorses acts of violence, made as early as 2008, had not previously been before the courts.

The videos, which were played after Judge Henson cleared the court, proved she held alarming views, Pickering said.

Droudis looked straight ahead and did not show any emotion as the decision was handed down.


Droudis will next appear in court in February.

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Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by ENT

Muslims will always play the victim card

irony of that statement being address to a fake jewish pro zionist completely lost on you then Ent?

Prove me wrong.

Pseudo is a Muslim sympathiser .
Any criticism of any Muslim and he immediately mentions Jews and points the finger at them and says "Jews are just as bad because..................." which turns the discussion to Jews and Muslims then become innocent because someone else is supposedly worse then they are

Originally Posted by Fluke

Pseudo is a Muslim sympathiser .
Any criticism of any Muslim and he immediately mentions Jews and points the finger at them and says "Jews are just as bad because..................." which turns the discussion to Jews and Muslims then become innocent because someone else is supposedly worse then they are

I think he's inclined to use red herrings for bait when he goes fishing.

Sydney siege inquest begins

Man Haron Monis's presence alongside the office workers, school kids and tourists in Martin Place on the morning of December 15 would barely have raised an eye-brow.

As the city rushed around him, the 50-year-old calmly walked into the clean, colourful Lindt Café, and tucked into a piece of chocolate cake and a cup of tea.

Having finished his refreshments, Monis began a course of action which, the NSW Coroner's Court heard on Thursday, broke into the "intimacy of Sydney life".

In a remarkably detailed opening to the coronial inquest into the Martin Place siege, NSW Coroner Michael Barnes pulled back the veil in order to "answer speculation" about an incident which "terrified many".

Counsel assisting the coronial inquiry into the siege, Jeremy Gormly, SC, described how Monis began the 17-hour siege, which resulted in the death of two innocent hostages, with the seemingly simple act of asking to see the Lindt Café's manager, Tori Johnson.


Police on high alert during the Martin Place siege. Photo: Daniel Munoz

As the conversation with Mr Johnson unfolded, staff who knew the manager could tell something was wrong.

"I need you to go get my keys from the office and lock the doors – we're closed," Mr Johnson told a colleague.

"Everything is OK. Tell the staff to be calm."


Man Haron Monis holds a sign outside the Downing Centre courts, where he was appearing in relation to sending hate mail to the families of fallen soldiers in 2010. Photo: Kate Geraghty

Any calmness must have disappeared moments later when Monis donned a vest and bandana and declared "this is an attack, I have a bomb".

Eighteen people enjoying morning coffees and treats immediately became hostages – ordered at the point of a sawn-off shotgun to stand against the café's northern wall and then to participate in Monis's made-for-television moment by holding an Islamic-style flag against the front window.

Revealing many of the facts of the siege for the first time, Mr Gormly described how Monis instructed café manager Johnson to call triple zero and tell the operator that Australia was under attack by Islamic State and that a number of radio-controlled bombs were situated in Martin Place, Circular Quay, and George Street.

Both claims were utterly false, the inquest heard, but within minutes the extended call was being broadcast on police radios across the city.

The threat of terrorism triggered specific protocols within the force, with the first officers arriving five minutes later at 9.51am closely followed by the tactical operations unit 16 minutes later.

Monis, whose background and psychological state will be a key focus of the inquest, told those in the café that his backpack contained a bomb, and declared that he was willing to shoot them in order to be taken seriously.

Skipping over the much-publicised escape of two handfuls of hostages as the 17-hour siege wore on, Mr Gormly went straight to its tragic, explosive climax.

Shortly after 2am, as a further six hostages kicked down an internal door and fled the café, Monis ordered Mr Johnson to kneel down on the floor.

"After a short lapse of time Mr Monis simply shot him without further notice or warning, in the back of the head," Mr Gormly said, as members of the 34-year-old man's immediate family sat in the court room.

"The end of the barrel was about 75 cm from Mr Johnson's head at the moment of discharge. Mr Johnson is believed to have died immediately."

A police marksman saw the execution and informed his superiors, resulting in an immediate decision by police to go in.

Police immediately forced entry into the cafe using specially designed bullets to smash open the glass doors and windows.

The heavily armed officers threw 11 SF9s or "flash bangs", which set off 99 loud bangs and flashes of light mimicking a hail of bullets.

Two snipers, identified only as entry officers A and B, fired 22 rounds at Monis, who discharged two shots in return.

Monis was killed instantly after two bullet fragments entered his head and 11 others lodged in his body.

Hostage Katrina Dawson was struck by six fragments of police bullets, which ricocheted from the café's walls into her body.

One fragment struck a major blood vessel, and Ms Dawson lost consciousness and died shortly afterwards.

Three other hostages and one tactical operative were also struck by ricocheting fragments but suffered relatively minor injuries.

Monis fired five shots in all, with only the one – that which killed Mr Johnson – finding its mark.

Two others shots appear to have been aimed at police, while another was found above an entrance way, having perhaps been fired at fleeing hostages.

Police fired 22 rounds in total, and Monis was found with 22 unspent cartridges in his pockets.

The source for much of the details revealed on Thursday, Mr Gormly said, were the surviving hostages.

"The hostages have had an experience that most of us would struggle to even imagine," he said.

"They are our eyes and ears and memory of what happened during those hours inside the Lindt Café."

He warned that the investigation was far from complete, with expert examination and reports not yet being finalised and contextual material not yet collated.

Key questions to be asked during the course of the inquest included "what happened, why it happened, whether it could have been avoided, whether the Lindt Café events have implications for daily life as we currently lead it".

Sydney Lindt Cafe siege: the failure to stop killer Man Monis
It took just seven days before Martin Place gunman Man Monis came to the attention of Australia's intelligence agencies after he lied his way into the country in 1996.

Three years later ASIO deemed the Iranian-born asylum seeker a risk to Australia's national security. And in the week before he took 18 people hostage in the middle of Sydney's CBD last December, the national security hotline received 18 complaints about postings the 50-year-old self-described cleric had made online.

However, a joint report by the federal and NSW governments, released on Sunday, found there were no major failings of intelligence or process in the lead-up to the Martin Place siege, in which Monis and two of his hostages, barrister Katrina Dawson and cafe manager Tori Johnson, died.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott said instead the report gave the "inescapable conclusion" that the system as a whole let the community down.

Mr Abbott said that each time Monis came to the attention of authorities during his 18 years in Australia he was given the benefit of the doubt but that each individual decision was reasonable.

"The cumulative effect of the benefit of the doubt being given to him time and time again is that he was able to wreak havoc on our community," he said. "Plainly, this monster should not have been in our community."

Mr Abbott will on Monday deliver the Commonwealth's response to the report as part of his national security address. He indicated on Sunday it would address issues around immigration and national security and examine if the system leans too much towards favouring the rights of individuals opposed to the broader interests of society as a whole.

NSW Premier Mike Baird said his government would crack down on illegal guns, with the sawn-off pump action shotgun used by Monis in the siege believed to have entered Australia legally but then fallen onto the "grey market" when not returned in the 1996 gun "buy back".

Mr Baird said he would also further strengthen bail laws, compelling judges and magistrates to refuse bail if an accused person is an identified terrorist risk or linked to violent extremism.

This is despite the joint-government reporting finding that there was no indication Monis had a "desire or intent to commit politically motivated violence" prior to the siege.

Instead, the 80-page report gives an insight into a man whose erratic and at times criminal behaviour saw him consistently on the radar of police and national security agencies.

He was assessed as recently as December 2014, the month of the siege, but was found to have fallen "outside the threshold to be included in the 400 highest priority counter-terrorism investigations".

The report found that Monis may not have even been allowed into Australia in October 1996 if proper checks had been carried out.

Known then as Mohammad Hassan Manteghi, he claimed in his visa application to be a lawyer with an Iranian engineering company here to meet BHP Billiton.

That was a lie, and the joint government report found that if Immigration staff had checked the claims his visa might have been refused.

On his arrival at Sydney Airport on October 28, Monis stated his occupation as "doing business" and when questioned about what that involved he replied "carpets".

The report said Customs did not have access to visa applications at that time and, even now that they do, the discrepancy still might not have been picked up if he entered Australia today.

On November 4, seven days after arriving in Australia, ASIO received "potentially adverse intelligence" about Monis. It did not relate to a terrorist threat, but Monis was placed on a movement alert list.

In January 1999, a security assessment by ASIO determined that Monis's continued presence in Australia posed an indirect, and possibly a direct, risk to national security and that he should not be issued a protection visa.

But when investigated again in July 2000 Monis was found not to be a threat and was granted a protection visa.

Monis then changed his name to Michael Hayson Mavros, put away his "religious garb" and applied to become an Australian citizen - a process that took four years but was eventually approved after lengthy security assessments.

The report found that Monis would likely be granted a visa and citizenship today if he presented in the same way he did at that time.

After having not left Australia since his arrival he then made 21 overseas trips between 2003 and 2007, including 10 to Bangkok and some journeys lasting only a day. Why he undertook these trips no one knows.

At the end of 2006 Michael Hayson Mavros becomes Man Haron Monis, claiming he wanted to become more readily identifiable as a Muslim and to educate youth away from terrorism.

Monis offered to become a source for ASIO - but the spy agency was concerned about his unusual behaviour.

Monis then began a letter-writing campaign sending letters, faxes and media releases to high profile politicians, the Queen, the Pope and a DVD to a US news network with a purported fatwa against President Barack Obama.

He came to the attention of the NSW Joint Counter-Terrorism Team and at the end of 2009 he was charged for sending offensive letters to families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan.

During this time Monis also worked as a "spiritual healer" and was alleged to have sexually assaulted several clients.

He was convicted of stalking his ex-partner and in December 2013 was charged with being an accessory to her murder. He was granted bail. Four months later he was charged with sexual assault offences committed as a spiritual healer and was again released on bail.

The joint government report said consideration was given by the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions and police to challenge that decision, but given the circumstances of both cases and the bail laws in place at the time it was deemed any appeal would be unsuccessful.

Monis was again placed on law agencies' radar in December 2014 when the National Security Hotline received 18 calls and emails about his Facebook page.

The NSW Police and AFP found the Facebook posts contained no indications of harm of an imminent threat on December 12 and closed their investigations - three days before the Martin Place siege.

That's disgusting, heads deserve to roll.

Originally Posted by Lantern

That's disgusting, heads deserve to roll.

Really cracking down on terror now.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/26403507...-in-australia/

[Australian nationals involved in terrorism could lose their ability to return to Australia and have their welfare payments axed.]

Guess that's the end of ISIS, fighters will be losing their welfare money and have to down arms or no dole.

Originally Posted by Bazzy

After having not left Australia since his arrival he then made 21 overseas trips between 2003 and 2007, including 10 to Bangkok and some journeys lasting only a day. Why he undertook these trips no one knows.

Quick stop into Nana Plaza for the day?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Lantern

That's disgusting, heads deserve to roll.

Really cracking down on terror now.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/26403507...-in-australia/

[Australian nationals involved in terrorism could lose their ability to return to Australia and have their welfare payments axed.]

Guess that's the end of ISIS, fighters will be losing their welfare money and have to down arms or no dole.

Now, I reckon that's the secret weapon needed to defeat all allawalla incursions into god's own holy land of UK!!!!! Chop off the dole!!


Yeh!!! Bring it on!!!

Interesting article...


Mystery Remains Over Spy Agency Link To Sydney Cafe Attacker

Mystery Remains Over Spy Agency Link To Sydney Cafe Attacker


SYDNEY — One year after an Islamic gunman held customers and staff hostage in a deadly Sydney cafe siege, questions remain about why he was not stopped earlier by anti-terrorist agencies.

One year after gunman Man Haron Monis held 18 hostages in Sydney's Lindt Cafe before being killed by police, questions still remain why security forces did not stop him earlier.

Investigations over the past 12 months have revealed many signs that Monis was a danger to the public. Despite warnings to security agencies that he planned an attack, no action was taken.

During the siege, Monis shot and killed cafe manager Tori Johnson. A second hostage, Katrina Dawson, was later found to have been killed by ricochets from police gunfire when they stormed the building.

Central to the debate is the role played by the domestic counter-terrorism agency, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation or ASIO. It had a connection to Monis going back to 1996, when he arrived in Australia from Iran on a business visa and applied for political asylum.

Despite warnings from Iranian authorities that Monis was wanted by Interpol for a USD$ 200,000 fraud and requesting his extradition, ASIO approved Monis for asylum in 2001.

An ongoing inquest by Coroner Michael Barnes revealed ASIO stayed in contact with Monis for the next 14 years, right up until the day of the siege.

The inquest heard that Monis frequently offered to be a confidential informant in the Muslim community. But Monis, a misfit and loner with erratic behaviour, was never accepted by any Muslim group in Sydney. He changed from being Shiite to Sunni. ASIO told the inquest it declined his offer, regarding him as a nuisance.

Nevertheless, despite living on welfare, Monis made 21 unexplained overseas trips in three and a half years, many of them for less than a week.

He travelled widely throughout Southeast Asia, including five trips to Bangkok in 2006 and twice to London for just a few days. He was able to legally change his name three times and get new passports. A government inquiry revealed no information on how Monis got the money, passports or what he did on those trips.

In spite of his history, he was granted a gun licence. He was convicted of sending hate mail to families of Australian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, but received a light sentence with no jail time.

In 2014, he wrote to Australian Attorney General Senator George Brandis, asking if it was legal to contact the leader of Isis. Normally, that would raise security concerns, but nothing was done.

The inquest also heard that ASIO agents sat quietly in the courtroom every time Monis appeared in court on a string of charges of violent crimes.

He was accused of sexually assaulting dozens of women while claiming to be a spiritual healer. He was arrested for threatening his ex-wife, but released. She was later found dead, stabbed 17 times.

Monis' girlfriend was charged with murder, and he was charged with being an accessory to the crime. Police did not know of ASIO's presence and were shocked when Monis got bail every time.

Monis was free on bail on all these charges of violent crime when he entered the Lindt Cafe in the heart of Sydney at 9:40am on Dec. 15, pulled out guns, announced he was fighting for ISIS, and forced the hostages to hold up black Islamic religious flags to the windows.

Seven hostages managed to escape as the siege went on into the night. After a 17-hour standoff, Monis shot cafe manager Tori Johnson, 34, prompting police to storm the premises in a hail of gunfire. Barrister Katrina Dawson, 38, was killed in the crossfire. Three hostages and a police officer were wounded.

The central question is why ASIO failed to act six days before the siege, when 18 warnings about Monis were phoned in to the national security hotline. The callers alerted the agency to new extremist postings on Monis' Facebook page, pledging allegiance to ISIS. It deemed he was not a security threat and did nothing.


At the inquest, the ASIO insisted that many documents dealing with its connections to Monis, why it declined to act on warnings and how Monis got bail, must remain sealed. The courtroom was closed whenever ASIO agents gave evidence.

Political leaders have said Monis should not have been on the streets. Then-prime minister Tony Abbott demanded to know why the terrorist was not on a watch list.

The inquest will conclude in March, when the coroner will determine whether the spy agency should have predicted Monis' terrorist attack.

But given the secrecy over its role so far, the reasons behind the agency's failure to stop Monis may remain a mystery.

Story: Frank Walker / DPA