Thread: Muslims kill 5000 this month alone.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Koojo

What are you on about?

Thought it was quite clear, you stated Muslims killed 5000 people this month and you couldn't find any stats for how many people of other religions had killed in the last month and I was just using Mexico as an example to show that those Roman Catholics kill quite a few too and also by as horrendous methods as the various groups in Iraq and Syria. I also pointed out to you and you left out in quoting my last post that George (Wanker) Bush said something along the lines of God is on his side so by default when he invaded Iraq he was fighting in the name of religion, so how many deaths did his Christian crusade kill?

It wasn't HIS 'christian crusade' though was it. As I said, the government(s) that sanctioned the invasion of iraq (if that's what you're talking about) was comprised of people of all religions.
As were the armed forces.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq' | World news | The Guardian

Sounds like fighting in the name of God/religion to me.

You do realize that the U.S. is not a dictatorship, right?

Oligarchy..??
Plutocracy?

Dictatorship sounds so brazen and real.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Those Roman Catholics in Mexico seem to kill a fair few people every month.

Although those killings are done for the drug money, nothing to do with their Religious beliefs

Never been to Mexico myself but I always presumed (maybe incorrectly) that they were quite religious, always go to church and wear crosses etc. But I digress, are different groups in Syria or Iraq fighting for control of territory any different to the cartels fighting for territory in Mexico??

Mexican drugs gang killings are killings of other drug cartels members .
We have no need to be concerned about drug gangs wiping each other out .
Innocent people are being targeting by Muslims, that should be a concern .
Bombs being set off in market places is quite different to drug gangs killing each other

Originally Posted by Koojo

U.S. was founded by Christians on more or less Christian principles

ya, looney Allah lovers.

Religion in naught more than the convenient excuse for any evil done by man.

Provided it is done in God's (or any of the many, many other monikers assigned to the supreme being) name it is "OK" as it is sanctioned, or commanded, by the "power" greater than ourselves.

Evil done in the name of the lord is hypocrisy and allows man to justify his actions without having to pass judgment on himself.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Times sure have changed wouldn't you say?

For all Americans

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

For Army

(a) Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
"I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

For senators

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

For Judges

“I, XXX XXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as XXX under the Constitution and laws of the United States. So help me God.”

...on and on it goes. Now you could argue that god is any god, but of course it is not because otherwise they would have the option of saying Allah, Buddha, HaShem etc but they do not have that choice at all. Also, what for atheists? So help me entity I do not believe in? Or Agnostics "So help me greater power that I know not of but sure you exist?"

It seems it is very relevant today as well Koojo. Tell us again Mr Piwanoi Jr how western countries are secular.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Mexican drugs gang killings are killings of other drug cartels members

Not a 100% true statement.



Number of Innocents Killed in Mexico Drug War Up 172%

MEXICO CITY – The number of civilians killed in the conflict pitting Mexico’s powerful drug cartels against each other and the security forces soared by 172 percent in the last 12 months, capital daily Reforma said Monday, citing official figures.

“Collateral” deaths of civilians increased from 61 in 2009 to 166 last year, according to the report from the Attorney General’s Office.

The drug war has claimed more than 34,000 lives in Mexico since December 2006, when newly inaugurated President Felipe Calderon gave the military the dominant role in fighting the cartels.

That strategy has turned some Mexican cities – notably Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from El Paso, Texas – into virtual war zones where troops and marines trade fire with cartel gunmen whose arsenals include assault rifles and grenade-launchers.

The Calderon administration has repeatedly asserted that around 90 percent of the drug war fatalities are criminals.

But human rights activists and civic groups accuse authorities of criminalizing innocent citizens in the same manner as the army of Colombia, which has been caught murdering more than 2,700 civilians and falsely presenting them as guerrillas killed in combat.

A high proportion of the civilian fatalities in Mexico have occurred at highway checkpoints.

In most of those cases, the military personnel either try to make it appear the dead civilians were criminals involved in a clash or blame the bystanders’ deaths on the cartel gunmen, even when ballistics evidence points to soldiers as the shooters.

Only in a handful of instances has the military has accepted responsibility and paid compensation to victims’ families.

Indeed, Mexico’s Independent Human Rights Commission said Sunday that the navy has refused to pay damages to the families of two civilians killed in error by marines during crime-fighting operations.

Both incidents took place in December 2009 in Cuernavaca, a resort city near the Mexican capital.

A woman was killed Dec. 11 when marines fired at her car shortly after she left in residence in the Los Limoneros and a man died five days later after marines shot at him in his pickup truck.

Neither victim had any ties to criminal activity.

The marines fired 53 shots at the man’s pickup and more than 60 at the woman’s car, which, according to the commission, “reveals, without room for doubt, an arbitrary use of force.” EFE
Latin American Herald Tribune - Number of Innocents Killed in Mexico Drug War Up 172%

Seems like the BBC is turning into a bit of a rag. I once held them in a higher regard. What has happened to this once glorious organization ?

I guess the devastating worldwide Ebola scare didn't meet most of the media's expectations for an ongoing news-worthy story.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Seems like the BBC is turning into a bit of a rag.

Was never anything other than a government propaganda machine, which now presses the cause of big business as well, especially bankers, who after all own all governments.

Exactly so.

Yup - 100%

So Muslims are far less dangerous than a can of Coke

Soda kills 180,000 people a year ? RT USA

BBC model after CNN the not the news station. I'm reduced to turning off the sound, reading the bottom banners, then off! One long poisonous excerpt on social engineering.

Why would someone dedicate an hour a day to news from Africa?

The big question is: What constitutes news today? All news sources use the same feeds...hence obliterated drive by posts.

I would just like to have a quick experiment .
The guys who have replied in this threasd , I would also like them to reply to this fictitious headline :
Israel has killed 5000 Palestinians this month

Now, how would you reply to that story ?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Seems like the BBC is turning into a bit of a rag.

Was never anything other than a government propaganda machine, which now presses the cause of big business as well, especially bankers, who after all own all governments.

Imagine our surprise to the number that consider The BBC anything less than an "independent" source....

Originally Posted by Fluke

I would just like to have a quick experiment .
The guys who have replied in this threasd , I would also like them to reply to this fictitious headline :
Israel has killed 5000 Palestinians this month

Now, how would you reply to that story ?

A = Bullshit.

Originally Posted by Fluke

I would just like to have a quick experiment .
The guys who have replied in this threasd , I would also like them to reply to this fictitious headline :
Israel has killed 5000 Palestinians this month

Now, how would you reply to that story ?

It would depend on the context. If it was a totally out of the blue headline, my reply would probably be, "Link or source, please."

However, if Israel had been bombing the shit out of Palestinians for a month, my reply might be different.

Good point . In the recent Gaza war when there were less than 5000 Muslim deaths caused by Israelis, posters on here now have a very different reaction to this threads story about 5000 Muslims being killed by Muslims .
I dont recall any posts about drug cartel deaths in Mexico , from the Gaza threads .
That just goes to show that people arent concerned about Muslims deaths, they just use it as an excuse to bash Jews

Originally Posted by Fluke

I dont recall any posts about drug cartel deaths in Mexico , from the Gaza threads .

Amazing.

Should have been the first thing most people thought of.

That and the singularity beyond the black hole.

It would never be a headline Flake. The headline would read

Israel worried about rockets and panic in settlements as israel defensive measure cause deaths