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    Is Britain hardening its heart against Muslims?

    Attitudes in this country are still tolerant. But current headlines give reason to fear that might change

    British public opinion has never really turned against Muslims.

    According to Pew’s 2014 Global Attitudes survey, 26 per cent of us have ‘unfavourable’ attitudes towards Muslims in this country; compare that to 46 per cent in Spain, 53 per cent in Greece and 63 per cent in Italy.

    Our national tolerance has, so far, proved robust. Even after the 7/7 London bombings, favourable attitudes towards Muslims in Britain dipped by only a couple of points. But is it strong enough to survive the horrors of Isis and Rotherham coming to light simultaneously?

    It feels as if we are on the verge of an anti-Muslim backlash that could spread beyond the strongholds of the aggrieved white working class in Barking and Rochdale and into the home counties.

    Last weekend a group of British imams issued a fatwa forbidding Muslims from volunteering for Isis. Their ruling — which is unlikely to have the slightest effect on young militants — may reflect spontaneous disgust at the actions of the so-called Islamic State.

    But there is an additional flavour of panic.

    In the past, Muslim community leaders have condemned Islamist terrorism in language clouded by the rhetoric of minority grievance. Anyone who presses them on the topic has been drowned out by the ululations of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown.

    This anti-Isis fatwa is different. It says that Muslims giving humanitarian aid to Syrians or Iraqis must do so ‘without betraying their own societies’.

    The change of tone speaks volumes. The 2005 bombings and the murder of Lee Rigby last year could not plausibly be blamed on whole communities. In contrast, the departure of hundreds of young Muslims to fight for Isis raises questions about community loyalty. The imams have accused the jihadis of ‘betraying’ Britain because they don’t want the accusation flung back at them.

    The Guardian reported last week that British extremists were among ‘the most vicious and vociferous fighters’ in the ranks of Isis. But this we knew.

    For UK Muslims, the fact that James Foley’s executioner spoke with a London accent was a public relations disaster. It wasn’t great for Britain, either, which is now routinely accused by Americans of harbouring an enemy within.

    Then came Rotherham.

    It’s no secret that Asian grooming gangs have been targeting white girls on sink estates — but until last month social workers and the police conspired to keep the full truth from us. They protected Pakistani elders who turned a blind eye to organised rape. Why?

    The press blame ‘political correctness’, but there is a more specific explanation. The authorities were terrified that grooming would be seized upon by racists playing the Muslim card. Their fears weren’t unfounded.

    In 2004 the British National Party won a council seat in Keighley West with 51 per cent of the vote by exploiting local outrage over a grooming scandal. Its tactics were crafty. In BNP leaflets, the adjective ‘Pakistani’ was replaced by ‘Muslim’. Nick Griffin praised Sikh and Hindu activists who had tried to draw attention to the ‘Muslim sex gangs’.

    The BNP has since imploded, but not before popularising the idea that the sexual appetites of Pakistani thugs were fuelled by Islam. American conservatives picked over the Koran looking for parallels between the violence of gang rape and the violence of jihad. Islamic scholars dismissed this as a violation of their scriptures.

    Inconveniently for them, however, ‘Muslim’ street gangs in Europe and America started playing the same game, arguing that the Koran permitted any assault against the kuffar (non-believers).

    Now British public opinion has woken up, thanks to an explosion of headlines about crucifixions in Iraq and unspeakable assaults on girls in Yorkshire. Some of those headlines are a good thing, in so far as they mark the failure of the liberal establishment to distract our attention towards more fashionable subjects (Gaza). Other headlines are a disgrace. Right-wing websites juxtapose footage of Iraqi massacres with gloating articles about ‘Muslim gang rapists’. Tweets about Rotherham carry the hashtag #Islam. The remnants of the BNP must be proud.

    Will Islam-haters succeed in provoking a backlash that makes life difficult for law-abiding Muslims? History suggests not. The British people rarely persecute minority religions: the last big disturbance, the anti-Catholic Gordon Riots of 1780, was confined to London. But history isn’t a reliable guide.

    The religious landscape of Britain has changed more in the past 30 years than in the preceding 300. Most young people are agnostic or atheist. Secularism has spawned an aggressive ideology. Its apostle, the embarrassing Richard Dawkins, has taken to attacking Muslims with the ferocity of an inquisitor. From his point of view that makes sense: Islam is Britain’s fastest-growing religion, having doubled its numbers to around three million since 2000. One in ten children under the age of four is a Muslim.

    The big question is how mainstream British Islam will react. A wise approach would be to treat the sneering left and the Muslim-baiting right with equal contempt. But it should also re-examine its relationship with ordinary Britons, who are traditionally tolerant of minority faiths.

    Pew research in 2006 found that British Muslims were more hostile to western values than their German, French or Spanish counterparts. In the four countries, the ‘mismatch’ between friendly attitudes towards Muslims and unfriendly attitudes towards the host society was greatest in the UK. That should make us uneasy.

    In the years since the Pew survey, we have experienced chaotic immigration and been shocked to the core by the savagery of Islamists. We’re not used to this. So far, most Muslims have weathered the storm by keeping their heads down and their eyes averted from western decadence. That strategy won’t work for much longer. The lumping together of Rotherham and Isis may be malicious and misleading, and no one expects British Muslims to buy the argument that these atrocities are sanctified by the Koran. But they do need to bypass their useless community leaders and find better means of expressing their horror — individually and collectively — at crimes against humanity. In fact, in the current atmosphere, they have little choice: if they miss this opportunity, ordinary Britons will start listening to the hate-mongers.

    This article first appeared in the print edition of The Spectator magazine, dated 6 September 2014

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    I have said a number of times that it's time for moderate muslims to stand shoulder to shoulder with the British in calling for the heads of all perpetrators and everyone else that was involved in the coverup.

    The change must come from the people.

    Otherwise who knows where it will end up.

    It would be ironic if Enoch's "Rivers of Blood in the Streets" were to start with the trickle running down an abused girls leg.

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    No, with resounding echos from the liberals....were all equal in god's little fantasy Island.

    All members of the commonwealth openly welcomed. All others need visas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantern View Post
    I have said a number of times that it's time for moderate muslims to stand shoulder to shoulder with the British in calling for the heads of all perpetrators
    A lot of muslims still see that as a quite literal request.

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    Blimey I wonder if we should rename teakdoor to peoplewithavagueassociationtothailandjihadwatch.co m

    Britain is complicit in arming and stirring up extermists. Always has been along with the USA. War is good for business. Politicians of any major policital party will always let this ride because they only care about what their backers care for which is war.

    Originally Posted by bsnub "No wonder I drive a tesla"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantern View Post
    I have said a number of times that it's time for moderate muslims to stand shoulder to shoulder with the British in calling for the heads of all perpetrators and everyone else that was involved in the coverup.

    The change must come from the people.
    Well said. That's undoubtedly the only way forward. If decent law abiding Muslims don't want to be lumped in with the minority of extremists, they need to be far more vocal in condemning them and reporting suspected perpetrators to the authorities.

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    I think indigenous Britons are fed up with the beheadings, rapes, kidding fiddlings, instant indignation over every little fucking thing and constant bleating that all emanates from the muslim community.

    If they really like living a miserable life in a shithole they really should fuck off back to Pakistan and Bangladesh where their incessant whining will be met with murmurs of support. Or move to Bradford.

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    I happy to have anyone as my neighbour,just want them to be hard working honest citizens same ideology throughout the nation.
    I am not fed up with any race or creed just fed up with criminals from what ever ethnic background.
    I occasionally watch TV shows like Police interceptor based in the UK.
    Most used line on the show.You stopped me because i am black.
    No they stopped you because you have committed a crime.
    Fascists dress in black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests... more drink!

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    ^ Exactly how every logical well balanced person feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Blimey I wonder if we should rename teakdoor to peoplewithavagueassociationtothailandjihadwatch.co m

    Britain is complicit in arming and stirring up extermists. Always has been along with the USA. War is good for business. Politicians of any major policital party will always let this ride because they only care about what their backers care for which is war.

    So....how does this hidden and historic hypocrisy fit with the beloved benign and benevolent tolerance??


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    maybe they should treat this the way they did for Football hooligans. Hold the club responsible. if it is done in your name, you are held responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveS View Post
    maybe they should treat this the way they did for Football hooligans. Hold the club responsible. if it is done in your name, you are held responsible.
    Nice idea not so sure i want to be responsible for my governments actions though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantern
    it's time for moderate muslims to stand shoulder to shoulder with the British in calling for the heads of all perpetrators and everyone else that was involved in the coverup. The change must come from the people.
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Britain is complicit in arming and stirring up extermists. Always has been along with the USA. War is good for business. Politicians of any major policital party will always let this ride because they only care about what their backers care for which is war.
    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey
    I happy to have anyone as my neighbour,just want them to be hard working honest citizens same ideology throughout the nation. I am not fed up with any race or creed just fed up with criminals from what ever ethnic background. I occasionally watch TV shows like Police interceptor based in the UK. Most used line on the show.You stopped me because i am black. No they stopped you because you have committed a crime.
    Spot on lads - keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klong toey View Post
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    maybe they should treat this the way they did for Football hooligans. Hold the club responsible. if it is done in your name, you are held responsible.
    Nice idea not so sure i want to be responsible for my governments actions though.

    But usually inspired activities in your name [the public].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantern
    I have said a number of times that it's time for moderate muslims to stand shoulder to shoulder with the British in calling for the heads of all perpetrators and everyone else that was involved in the coverup.
    How long do we have to wait and how bad must the carnage get for this to happen? 9/11 was not enough and nothing else since has been. The fact is that inside the mosque the discussions that take place are different then those that take place outside of it especially so with us kafir's. Muslims are one of the least trustworthy peoples on the planet.

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    Is Britain hardening its heart against Muslims?

    There are large Muslim populations in all European countries connected with each other and to the wider Muslim world, which have become a parallel society within the EU, an Islamic Europe.

    And it's growing, it's an irresistible force. So Muslim has decided it prefers it's own heritage to Western standards and rules. What you going to do? Send them home? All those blue collar Muslims that keep industry moving and pay their taxes? Europe would collapse.
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    But usually inspired activities in your name [the public].
    Not in my name i don't vote.

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    Kent Police are right on the ball when it comes to curbing unrest before it starts.
    I was in a Turkish Kebab shop awaiting the Lamb sheesh to be cooked for My takeaway , when the two Police men enter the shop and enquire " Everything alright, no idiots about "?
    Fine, alls fine.
    Did it look like a riot in the Kebab shop NO.
    Turkey where playing football against England, and the game had not even
    finished.
    I just rolled My eyes in disbelief, well I was lucky I was not arrested for rolling My eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lantern
    It would be ironic if Enoch's "Rivers of Blood in the Streets" were to start with the trickle running down an abused girls leg.
    what an utterly sick thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lantern
    It would be ironic if Enoch's "Rivers of Blood in the Streets" were to start with the trickle running down an abused girls leg.
    what an utterly sick thought.
    That it has actually happened.

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    Some attitudes are changing. Did anyone go to the march yesterday?


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    All those blue collar Muslims that keep industry moving and pay their taxes? Europe would collapse.
    What an utterly ridiculous comment.

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    Perhaps you could add some substance to your incredulity...


    Why are Pakistanis in England, Turks in Germany, Moroccans in France etc..? Do you think they're on holiday..?

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    Because they want free medical, housing, education and social welfare.

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    If you think it's just the mussies throwing their weight around.....


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