Thread: How involved in the war agains IS will the U.S. get?

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Neverna

^ As I alluded to in my post, perhaps the police have a recording of the phone call.

Of what phone call?

The phone call mentioned in your own post - number 87, which quotes post 84 by OhOh.

"They swooped amid fears for the public's safety after Baryalei allegedly spoke by phone with Omarjan Azari on Tuesday to discuss a plan to kidnap and murder

Originally Posted by Neo

45,000 Kurds displaced from northern Syria cross into Turkey.

Originally Posted by Neo

Meanwhile... Turkish hostages go free.

So Turky's looking like the new border then between ISIL and the rest of the world to the west.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Neo

45,000 Kurds displaced from northern Syria cross into Turkey.

Originally Posted by Neo

Meanwhile... Turkish hostages go free.

So Turky's looking like the new border then between ISIL and the rest of the world to the west.

You don't think they paid then?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

So Turky's looking like the new border then between ISIL and the rest of the world to the west.

Nothing new, a Vice news report earlier this year went to the region and found that parts of the border fence were down and IS were using the Turkish border as a safe haven.

“The Terrorists R Us.” The Islamic State “Big Lie” | Global Research

Originally Posted by Neo

“The Terrorists R Us.” The Islamic State “Big Lie” | Global Research

Nice find, Neo!!

It seems that the Turkish have decided to join the war against ISIS and the Kurds both in Iraq and Syria. Also to allow thier bases to be used by others in the "coalition".

PressTV - Turkey lawmakers give green light to military ops in Iraq, Syria

^^Right, if one believes one of the biggest propaganda sites on the web run by one of Canada's biggest nut jobs.

...just sayin...

It seems the UK planes, 6 Tornadoes, will be upped to 8 shortly. Having hit 8 targets, pickup trucks, empty buildings and a lot of sand dunes it might seem a tad expensive. Coupled with the "Crack SAS Teams" doing their "training" and "target spotting" I am sure the ROI is worth every penny.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Indeed....
That has never changed.

Just recycling the same illusion.

^ Believe it or not, bombs and missiles have a shelf life and can't just be left to rot.
The shelves must be restocked from time to time with the blood of rag heads and sand niggas.

Thomas Jefferson.

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ Believe it or not, bombs and missiles have a shelf life and can't just be left to rot.
The shelves must be restocked from time to time with the blood of rag heads and sand niggas.

Thomas Jefferson.

Believe it or not, they replace them..... order more....develop more.....

Originally Posted by Necron99

^ Believe it or not, bombs and missiles have a shelf life and can't just be left to rot.
The shelves must be restocked from time to time with the blood of rag heads and sand niggas.

Thomas Jefferson.

...or any invented boogieman/enemy of convenience.

The bane existence.

It seems Biden, the US Vice president is trying to disassociate himself from the chaos.

http://rt.com/news/192880-biden-isis-us-allies/

"US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria. America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad.
“And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria."

And they did it without any US knowledge, ha ha ha.

Originally Posted by OhOh

It seems Biden, the US Vice president is trying to disassociate himself from the chaos.

http://rt.com/news/192880-biden-isis-us-allies/

"US Vice-President Joe Biden has accused America’s key allies in the Middle East of allowing the rise of the Islamic State (IS), saying they supported extremists with money and weapons in their eagerness to oust the Assad regime in Syria. America’s “biggest problem” in Syria is its regional allies, Biden told students at the John F. Kennedy Jr. Forum at the Institute of Politics at Harvard University on Thursday.
“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria,” he said, explaining that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UAE were “so determined to take down Assad,” that in a sense they started a “proxy Sunni-Shia war” by pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons” towards anyone who would fight against Assad.
“And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them,” said Biden, thus disassociating the US from unleashing the civil war in Syria."

And they did it without any US knowledge, ha ha ha.

That is the laugh that the vagrants sitting on the park bench often make as they discuss things with their imaginary friends.
There is nothing factually incorrect with V.P. Biden's comments. The UAE also bombed Libyan factions last month on its own initiative. These are sovereign countries and the USA cannot control them. You are inconsistent in your comments. Had the USA more actively protested, you would be the first accusing the USA of meddling in the affairs of other countries.

As I anticipate that you will now regurgitate the usual propaganda argument of US arms sales, I do note that these countries have a diversified arms supply network, with Russia a major supplier. Germany and China are major suppliers as well.

Russia sells billions of USD of weapons to Saudi Arabia - MoscowTopNews.com
Remember these contracts?

And this from common sources;
The top five arms buyers were all Asian nations: India, China, Pakistan, South Korea and Singapore. Together, they accounted for nearly a third of all arms purchases during the period 2009-2012. But taken together, the Asia-Pacific, including the Middle East, accounted for half of all global arms purchases.
Russia was the top seller to India and China. While China sold Pakistan half the arms Islamabad procured in that time. The U.S. dominated sales to South Korea and Singapore.

Saudi Arabia has emerged as the biggest foreign customer for German arms, buying nearly a quarter of Germany's total weapons sales. It's part of an emerging pattern of weapons purchases by Saudi Arabia and its neighbor, the United Arab Emirates.


Will you be criticizing those wonderful Germans anytime soon?

But back to Russia;
Russia Plans to Increase Arms Exports to $50Bln by 2020 | Military & Intelligence | RIA Novosti
MOSCOW, December 12 (RIA Novosti) – Russia could quadruple its annual arms sales to $50 billion by 2020 in a race for the top spot on the global arms exporters list, a senior government official said Thursday.

“Not counting inflation, I think we could reach $50 billion [in arms exports] annually by 2020,” Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters in Moscow. “It is four times the current amount.”

Russia has more influence with Turkey than the USA. Did you foreget the all important Blue Stream gas pipeline upon which Turkey is gambling on becoming the key energy conduit to Europe bypassing the Ukraine?

As a U.S. general famously remarked, "When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
Neoconservative U.S. foreign policy is, by definition, a hammer in search of nails.

Why the Showdown with Islamic Extremists Is the War the Pentagon Was Hoping For | Alternet

Originally Posted by Neo

As a U.S. general famously remarked, "When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
Neoconservative U.S. foreign policy is, by definition, a hammer in search of nails.

Why the Showdown with Islamic Extremists Is the War the Pentagon Was Hoping For | Alternet

Of course...

Classic American enemy fabrication.
The propaganda machine is in fine order.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

The propaganda machine is in fine order.

The American propaganda machine is a creatively designed, fine tuned, well oiled, efficient and effective money making machine that is maintained and manipulated by professionals. The plum is control of American tax payer dollar expenditures.

The American political machine has managed to spin such convoluted and unreasonable tales through special interests that Americans blindly elect, and re-elect non-producing story tellers. Falling for the good cop - bad cop political partisan system blindly voting along party slates. Believing party story lines and rarely, if ever, doing their own investigation of issues that effect them and incumbent voting records.

And the sad part of this rant is a conclusion that it will continue unabated. More than likely for the rest of my lifetime.

Originally Posted by zygote1

As I anticipate that you will now regurgitate the usual propaganda argument of US arms sales, I do note that these countries have a diversified arms supply network, with Russia a major supplier. Germany and China are major suppliers as well.

I have no problem with anyone selling defensive arms.

When the so called "defensive arms" include satellite phones - for comms and tactics, helmets for protecting the troops, body armour for protecting the troops, food to feed the troops, medical supplies to protect the troops, missiles for protecting the troops, PC to plan attacks and arrange logistics for protecting the trrops, using financial weapons to protect the troops, sanctioning to protect the troops ........... a smile does cross my mind.