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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
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    Now whats wrong with Blaire
    No.1 He was born.
    No2. Everything else he lied his way to not achieve
    No. 3 He licked too many arses.
    No. 4 He is still alive.
    Spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
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    Its obvious he's using the Parliment and the UK legal system to further the radical Islamic cause.
    Nonsense- he adamantly opposes the ongoing Israeli occupation of Palestine, and Israeli intransigence, as well as it's flagrant violation of international law and common human decency.
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Historically, Palestinians have no country
    Absolute nonsense. Jaffa is considered the longest continously occupied city in world history. You may be thinking of the Bedouin- a tiny minority of the population of Palestine and Israel.

    Yep, pseudo is right- you are a zionist shill. Fail. Ongoing denial (and outright lies in support of this) will only scupper what little chance is left for the two state solution, and then it's roll on one state when the international community finally accepts that thru' their thick skulls. Then the sanctions will incrementally increase, Israel will increasingly feel the economic pain and growing isolation, the Jewish diaspora will become increasingly isolated from and resentful of Israel (as is demographically happening already), and finally they will end up with one state, having killed the original 'dream' of a Jewish state of Israel themselves. The new President of Israel is a strong and vocal supporter of the one state solution btw. It is increasingly looking the only remaining viable way forward, especially after the latest Israeli illegal land grab. To a one stater, that is just creating the facts on the ground- the rest will inevitably follow over the course of time, in spite of the grumbling. In short, you're being conned.
    Do try to keep on topic .
    The discussion above has been done countless times on here .
    You have made your opinion clear about Israel on numerous threads and you are aware of other peoples opinion , because they have been aired on countless occasions on TD .
    Every aspect of the history and futureof that piece of land has been dissected and discussed on TD , there really is nothing more to add , everyone is just repeating themselves, so its better for the forum if topic is kept on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Its obvious he's using the Parliment and the UK legal system to further the radical Islamic cause.
    Nonsense- he adamantly opposes the ongoing Israeli occupation of Palestine, and Israeli intransigence, as well as it's flagrant violation of international law and common human decency.
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Historically, Palestinians have no country
    Absolute nonsense. Jaffa is considered the longest continously occupied city in world history. You may be thinking of the Bedouin- a tiny minority of the population of Palestine and Israel.

    Yep, pseudo is right- you are a zionist shill. Fail. Ongoing denial (and outright lies in support of this) will only scupper what little chance is left for the two state solution, and then it's roll on one state when the international community finally accepts that thru' their thick skulls. Then the sanctions will incrementally increase, Israel will increasingly feel the economic pain and growing isolation, the Jewish diaspora will become increasingly isolated from and resentful of Israel (as is demographically happening already), and finally they will end up with one state, having killed the original 'dream' of a Jewish state of Israel themselves. The new President of Israel is a strong and vocal supporter of the one state solution btw. It is increasingly looking the only remaining viable way forward, especially after the latest Israeli illegal land grab. To a one stater, that is just creating the facts on the ground- the rest will inevitably follow over the course of time, in spite of the grumbling. In short, you're being conned.
    Do try to keep on topic .
    The discussion above has been done countless times on here .
    You have made your opinion clear about Israel on numerous threads and you are aware of other peoples opinion , because they have been aired on countless occasions on TD .
    Every aspect of the history and futureof that piece of land has been dissected and discussed on TD , there really is nothing more to add , everyone is just repeating themselves, so its better for the forum if topic is kept on
    And yet shills like you, with no dog in the race (being that you are not israeli or Jewish) use it as an excuse to mitigate the viscous assault on a democratically elected member of parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    And yet shills like you,
    When truth outs you then begins the name calling and secret names used by the inner circle of dimwits.

    I see another thread has begun, about the beheading of an 85 year old lady in London by some of your buddy Georges best friends. Lets see how long it takes for you "apologists," to jump to the killers defense...I know lets wait for the trial...

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    It seems beyond the gnat-like intelligence of some of our posters that you don't actually have to like the blue suede shoes to dislike George Galloway.

    The irony is that when he was praising Saddam Hussein with phrases such as "I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability", he was licking the arse of a man responsible for the deaths of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of muslims and kurds.

    But apparently you're allowed to slaughter muslims if you're not a Jew, that makes it OK.

    Either the hypocrisy or the stupidity of said posters is breathtaking. Certainly in the case of Pseudolus, I'd veer towards the latter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    he was licking the arse of a man responsible for the deaths of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of muslims and kurds.
    Whilst trying to put an end to the 500k justifiable (Albright) deaths of iraqi women and children brought about simply because some neocons wanted to flex their muscles?

    I don't give a hoot about any fuckers religion - it does piss me off though that the continued slaughted of hundreds of thousands of people is being justified simply because they are muslim.

    Seems beyond fools like you harry that people can be anti apartheid and anti death and not idolise twats who follow ANY religions either. Just be honest with yourself - your a simple minded racist. Admit it - it's easier for you in the long run mr NO SUBSTANCE whatsoever on any topic other than celebrity and fucking mobile phones.

    Harrybanal - that will be your new username from this day forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    I see another thread has begun, about the beheading of an 85 year old lady in London by some of your buddy Georges best friends. Lets see how long it takes for you "apologists," to jump to the killers defense...I know lets wait for the trial...
    The thing is, LINT, the biggest mistake you make is you judge others by your own standards. You think the killing of muslims is fine, so therefore anyone who does not think this is fine must therefore think killers who are muslim are fine as well. Same as you think the murdering zionists are fine because they are only killing muslims so its all ok. No - doesn't work like that. Your a racist death monger. I am not.

    How hard is it for racist dribblers like you to comperhend that people such as myself, such as gorgeous George abhor ALL violence. Abhor all murder. Abhor all torture. Abhor all of this, no matter who is doing it. You are so caught up in your little world of "must hate and kill muslims" you think everyone else must be the same.

    Shame on you. Turn CNN off and wake the fuck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    it does piss me off though that the continued slaughted of hundreds of thousands of people is being justified simply because they are muslim.
    Totally ignoring the past misadventures of Sir Georges friends and colleagues mass murders of their very own Muslim brothers...also ignoring the fact that no other Muslim country wants to take in their neighbors the rag tag Palestinians. a parcel of land was offered, however the Palestinians refused the offer from their Muslim brothers.

    Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians killed? Better check you numbers there buddy. Yet one more grossly exaggerated cry for sympathy for Hammas. Both you and George have like mentalities.

    BTW, any reports on the outcome of the attack and what if any charges will be pursued in this matter? No doubt the attacker is "lawyer'd up," by now. Lets reduce this to "simple assault," sentenced to 1 years probation and a life sentence to never go near George again. Good lawyers beat logic all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    You think the killing of muslims is fine
    You must have me confused with some other ltnt, as I've never said or approved of the killing of anyone. Lets get your premise correct to begin with P. slashing about with untruths will surely find an audience, but not the truth of what actually was and has been said or done.
    It was you who approves of said statements not I sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    you don't actually have to like the blue suede shoes to dislike George Galloway
    Or vice versa- don't see what that has to do with anything, unless someone is a Hater of one party or t'other, to the point it clouds any objectivity.

    A British Parliamentarian was violently assaulted in the street. It is no different than, say, if Malcolm Rifkind was assaulted by a self styled prophet of Mohammed. What our individual opinion might be about either of those parties, has no bearing before the Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    you don't actually have to like the blue suede shoes to dislike George Galloway
    Or vice versa- don't see what that has to do with anything, unless someone is a Hater of one party or t'other, to the point it clouds any objectivity.

    A British Parliamentarian was violently assaulted in the street. It is no different than, say, if Malcolm Rifkind was assaulted by a self styled prophet of Mohammed. What our individual opinion might be about either of those parties, has no bearing before the Law.
    What on earth difference does it make if he's a British Parliamentarian or a Turkish Tottnumb fan?

    It's a simple criminal offence and the perpetrator will be prosecuted.

    Does Galloway deserve more sympathy because he conned a load of Pakistanis into voting for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    ..also ignoring the fact that no other Muslim country wants to take in their neighbors the rag tag Palestinians. a parcel of land was offered, however the Palestinians refused the offer from their Muslim brothers.
    There are plenty of Palestinians in neighbouring Arab countries. However, there is resistance to accept all Palestinians for one simple reason. That would be handing Israel a victory of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homeland.

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    OPINION: The attack on Galloway makes it harder to win the debate - Jewish News


    The attack on Galloway makes it harder to win the debate

    George Galloway MP was recently attacked in West London, offering up a new insight into public views surrounding physical violence in the political process.

    ‏The MP for Bradford West is synonymous with Anti-Israel sentiment in the UK, amongst other issues surrounding the anti-war movement, and riles emotions for many.

    ‏But even if you are the most staunchly blind supporter of Israel – in fact – even if you aren’t, but just disagree with Mr. Galloway because of his often controversial and intimidating opinions, promoting physical violence is an obstacle to winning a successful debate.

    It allows Galloway to legitimately be a victim.


    ‏There is plenty of evidence against George Galloway’s shady political career, and he will use any slight opportunity to detract from that, and play the victim card.

    George Galloway’s political discourse is largely to stand up for Palestine, as the victim. He uses this narrative to present himself as the victim, and the defender of the victim over and over again.

    ‏Politically of course he has on many occasions made questionable decisions however, which are inconsistent with his victim card.

    ‏When walked out of a debate at Oxford University, because the person he was debating was of Israeli Nationality, he was widely condemned for racism.

    Likewise, when he declared Bradford to be an ‘Israel free zone’, he was questioned by police for inciting hatred.

    If he had have done this with any other nationality, he would have been called a racist.

    ‏Just imagine: “London should be a Chinese free zone because of the Chinese Government’s policy in Tibet”.

    ‏It sounds ridiculous.

    ‏He has also expressed remarks about rape, which had condemnation from the International Socialist, incase you thought criticism only came from the pro-Israel right.

    By attacking George Galloway, he gains political capital.

    It is counter productive to support Israel through the argument that it is a democratic state, whilst simultaneously supporting an action that is against the democratic process.

    ‏An MP is elected into public office and has legitimacy even if you disagree with their substantive views very vehemently.

    ‏To attack an MP is to attack the process of democracy, and in this context, it thus gives George Galloway and his supporters and worldview an own goal, as you are doing so in the name of supporting Israel on that ‘democratic state’ argument.

    ‏In the Daily Mail, he was claimed to have said that:

    “We live in a democracy, and as someone who has been elected as an MP on six occasions, I have a right to voice my opinions.”

    ‏Needless to say, he is right in that regard.

    ‏It is also worth noting that as a very successful and compelling orator. If anyone could capitalise on an incident like this, it is Galloway.

    ‏In that same Mail article, he said:

    “Like other politicians who have suffered similar threats and attacks, I am entitled to receive a degree of protection from the State so I can continue to do so.”

    ‏In other words, he will turn this into a long term political gain, by having visible police protection when he is in public. It will reinforce his rhetoric about being the victim, and supporting the victim, even though he is most certainly not the victim on many occasions.

    He is paid handsomely as an MP and as a host on RT [Russia Today] and Iran’s state television channel, Press TV. He earns plenty of money for his exploits and self gratification.

    ‏But he can now deflect it, by citing this threat when he needs to bulk up his rhetoric, with a substance.

    The reaction that is discerned from the attack can also be made into a political point.


    ‏There have been some calls by supporters of Israel and Jews in the UK Jewish community to not support this attack on Galloway [rightly.]

    The fact the normally Pro-Israel, staunchly Anti-Galloway individuals are coming to his defence, plays into his hands politically.

    ‏Of course, it should be condemned for reasons stated, but it is an inherently political point that certain people are having to say so. He has also received some support from the left.

    He is receiving support from left and right, which makes this odious man look like he has broad political support.

    ‏He doesn’t. He is a politician that claims to speak for the many, but who is despised by many also. In the same vein, there are many who have reinforced the victim card.

    By emphasising it was a good thing, and by presenting this attack as something he ‘deserved’, it offers him political ammunition.

    ‏It allows him to be the victim. It gives him a political pivot to move off from. And more importantly, it reinforces his argument about Zionism being conflicting with democracy, which is ultimately what the attacker would have been trying to repel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Does Galloway deserve more sympathy because he conned a load of Pakistanis into voting for him?
    Fcuking brilliant reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Does Galloway deserve more sympathy because he conned a load of Pakistanis into voting for him?
    A politician conning the voters, who would have thought of that !

    Some have said his victory was of because the Labour party ran a poor election campaign, others have said it was because Galloway had empathy with the electorate. Either way he won a democratically held election and deserves the full protection of UK/EU law, as all UK/EU citizens do.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Does Galloway deserve more sympathy because he conned a load of Pakistanis into voting for him?
    A politician conning the voters, who would have thought of that !

    Some have said his victory was of because the Labour party ran a poor election campaign, others have said it was because Galloway had empathy with the electorate. Either way he won a democratically held election and deserves the full protection of UK/EU law, as all UK/EU citizens do.
    He does have protection of the law, that is why the offender is being prosecuted .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Either way he won a democratically held election and deserves the full protection of UK/EU law
    Hold on. Isn't he being investigated for contravening UK law and now he wants protection under UK law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Either way he won a democratically held election and deserves the full protection of UK/EU law
    Hold on. Isn't he being investigated for contravening UK law and now he wants protection under UK law.
    No, and he is definately going to get protection.

    Masterson will go down for 2-3 years and well deserved.

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    Galloway should be removed from Parliament for lying to Parliament .
    His blatant proven lies in Parliament are an attack on the honesty and integrity of the democratic system .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    His blatant proven lies in Parliament are an attack on the honesty and integrity of the democratic system .
    He's under investigation. Fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Either way he won a democratically held election
    For the 6th consecutive time. Other long standing, 'mouthy git' British MP's included Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. Whatever you may have thought of them, their assault would not be taken lightly, and neither shall it be now.

    Just in case you hadn't guessed, I have a certain empathy with the worthy British tradition of 'mouthy git' British MP's, free and unthreatened to ply their rhetoric in the Palace of Westminster, a democratic tradition of which, as a British born person, I am unabashedly proud. I do not need to agree with their viewpoints. But, for the record, had an unmouthy git MP, such as Edwina Currie, been attacked in such a manner- the crime remains the same.

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    Worth repeating..

    [Karim] called on Galloway and Taub to stop using the city for their own political ends, saying: "This is to Mr Galloway and the ambassador: please do not bring your politics on to the streets of Bradford to create disharmony among our communities. If you have concerns, share them in your embassy or in parliament or in a neutral place, not in Bradford."He added: "We work in harmony in Bradford and we support our Jewish community. Last year it was the Muslim community which helped to secure the sustainability of the city's last synagogue."

    With only 299 Jews left in the city, the final synagogue was under threat of closure when members could not afford to repair the roof, until local Muslims kickstarted a campaign to save the 133-year-old building.

    In his speech on Monday, Taub praised the cross-cultural understanding in Bradford. "This real Bradford has a great deal to teach the world about a multicultural city where Christians, Muslims, and Jews live, work, and cooperate together. Here, the historic synagogue thrives thanks to the support of the Muslim community. It's a much-needed model of how people who may not agree about everything can still listen to each other, hear each other, and treat each other with genuine respect."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic
    Hold on. Isn't he being investigated for contravening UK law and now he wants protection under UK law.
    hold on. do you have a working brain cell.

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    I think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Either way he won a democratically held election
    For the 6th consecutive time. Other long standing, 'mouthy git' British MP's included Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. Whatever you may have thought of them, their assault would not be taken lightly, and neither shall it be now.

    Just in case you hadn't guessed, I have a certain empathy with the worthy British tradition of 'mouthy git' British MP's, free and unthreatened to ply their rhetoric in the Palace of Westminster, a democratic tradition of which, as a British born person, I am unabashedly proud. I do not need to agree with their viewpoints. But, for the record, had an unmouthy git MP, such as Edwina Currie, been attacked in such a manner- the crime remains the same.
    Recently, some BNP supporters/Politicians elect were canvassing the streets trying to convince people to vote BNP and they were attacked by Asian Muslims , I trust that you support the BNPs right to canvass and you also feel that the Asian Muslims attackers should have been arrested and prosecuted ?

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