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Ferguson unrest: White House steps up involvement
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The US attorney general is to travel to the riot-hit town of Ferguson, as the federal authorities step up efforts to restore calm after the fatal police shooting of an unarmed black teenager.


Eric Holder is due to meet officials carrying out an independent federal investigation into the killing of Michael Brown on 9 August.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama urged the local community to "try to unite each other".

The shooting sparked days of unrest.

The National Guard has been deployed to support police operations, and Missouri Governor Jay Nixon on Monday lifted a night-time curfew in the town.

Troops have been stationed at the police command centre which is based in a shopping centre in the town.

On Monday evening, eyewitnesses said security forces were telling groups of protesters they had to keep moving on the streets.

A photographer working for Getty Images agency was arrested.

'Critical step'
In a statement, Mr Holder said he would "personally travel" to Ferguson on Wednesday to meet FBI investigators and prosecutors.

Demonstrators protest the killing of teenager Michael Brown on August 17, 2014 in Ferguson, Missouri.
Michael Brown's killing has exposed racial tensions in the majority-black suburb of St Louis
Members of the National Guard begin deploying in Ferguson
Troops from the National Guard have been deployed to provide protection and guard police central command
"I realise there is tremendous interest in the facts of the incident that led to Michael Brown's death, but I ask for the public patience as we conduct this investigation," Mr Holder said.

And he stressed that the investigation into the shooting of 18-year-old Mr Brown was "a critical step in restoring trust between law enforcement and the community, not just in Ferguson, but beyond".

Separately, President Obama said he understood the "passions and anger" provoked by the death of the teenager.

But he said giving into anger "by looting or carrying guns and even attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos".

"It undermines rather than advances justice," he said.

'Objects of fear'
Mr Obama said he recognised that in many communities in the US a "gulf of mistrust" existed between local residents and law enforcement.

"In too many communities, too many young men of colour are left behind and seen only as objects of fear," he said.

But he urged the community to look for understanding, and seek to heal.

Ferguson unrest
21,205
Population of Ferguson, Missouri
65%
Black or black African
6% Police officers are black
9% Unemployed
21% Families living below the poverty line
US Census, American Community Survey, Ferguson City Police
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Dr Michael Baden points to his head where one of the gun shots hit Michael Brown as family attorney's Benjamin Crump (L) and Daryl Parks look on during a press conference at the Greater St. Marks Family Church 18 August 2014

Earlier, a former New York pathologist hired by Mr Brown's family to perform an independent autopsy into his shooting gave his findings.

Dr Michael Baden said he believed six bullets struck Mr Brown, two of which may have re-entered.

"All of the gunshot wounds could have been survivable, except the one at the top of the head," he said.

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Family lawyer Benjamin Crump said autopsy results backed up the witness accounts
Position of surrender
Dr Baden said there were no signs of a struggle, as abrasions around the teenager's face were likely from falling to the pavement after being shot.

He also believed Mr Wilson did not shoot him at close range as there was no gunpowder residue on his body, suggesting the officer was at least 2ft away.

Witnesses have said Mr Brown was shot as he held his hands up in a position of surrender, while the police and supporters of Mr Wilson have said he fired during a fight with Mr Brown.

The officer who shot Mr Brown, Darren Wilson, has been suspended with pay since the shooting.

Mr Brown's family have called for the officer to be arrested and prosecuted.

Another autopsy on Mr Brown will be conducted by the US justice department, in addition to examinations by Dr Baden and St Louis county officials.

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Timeline of events
Michael Brown, the 18 year old who was shot dead in Ferguson, Missouri
Michael Brown had recently graduated from high school.
9 Aug: Michael Brown is shot by police officer Darren Wilson after an altercation
10 Aug: Unrest begins to brew after a candlelight vigil for Mr Brown, with car windows smashed and stores looted
11 Aug: FBI opens an investigation into the teenager's killing. Tensions escalate at night, with riot police firing tear gas and rubber bullets at protesters
15 Aug: Police release a video purporting to show Mr Brown robbing a convenience store. The move further angers demonstrators and leads to new clashes with police
16 Aug: Missouri declares a state of emergency and imposes a curfew in Ferguson
17 Aug: Governor calls out National Guard to keep peace
18 Aug: Independent post-mortem tests confirm Mr Brown was shot six times, including twice in the head

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Ferguson protests: What we know about Michael Brown's last minutes
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What happened in the encounter between Officer Darren Wilson and Michael Brown? Here is a look at what is known and what remains to be discovered.

Three minutes - that is how long it took from the time Officer Darren Wilson confronted teenager Michael Brown at 12:01, and 12:04 when other officers arrived on the scene to find Mr Brown dead.

Those three minutes, and the fallout that followed, have been the source of protests, headlines and general unrest in the St Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri. But what exactly happened in that time is still a source of confusion.

Drawings from the autopsy report
A preliminary autopsy report shows where bullets hit the front of Michael Brown's body
How many times was Michael Brown shot?

According to a new autopsy report released on Monday, Mr Brown was shot at least six times, including twice in the head and and four times in his right arm. The autopsy, done at the request of the family by a private pathologist, also revealed that Mr Brown could have sustained two additional re-entry wounds.

According to Dr Michael Baden, Mr Brown was killed by one of the bullets that struck the top of his head and entered his skull.

Does the autopsy show who was at fault?

Monday's autopsy results only provided clues as to what happened during the shooting, but nothing is definitive.

Forensic pathologist Shawn Parcells, who assisted Dr Baden, said that one of the gunshot wounds to Mr Brown's arm could have occurred as he had his hands up, but it remains unclear if that was the case.

Forensic pathologist Shaun Parcells raises his hands
Forensic pathologist Shawn Parcells demonstrates how Michael Brown might have been standing
This particular arm wound could also have been sustained while Mr Brown had his back to the officer or while he was facing the officer with his arms in a defensive positioning.

Additionally, Dr Baden told the New York Times that the wound on the top of Mr Brown's head suggests that his head was bent over when the bullet struck.

Pathologist Michael Baden at a press conference
Dr Michael Baden has been the pathologist in numerous high-profile deaths
Dr Baden said that there was no gunshot powder residue on Mr Brown's skin, indicating that the he was shot from more than 2ft (.6m) away, although the exact distance between Mr Brown and Mr Wilson at the time of the shooting remains unknown.

How does this compare with witness statements?
Dorian Johnson, Mr Brown's friend who was with him during the shooting, said that the confrontation began as a scuffle at the police car window with Mr Wilson still seated inside. Mr Wilson fired his weapon out the window of the vehicle, said Mr Johnson, and the two teenagers took off running down the street.

Dorian Johnson

Dorian Johnson was walking with Michael Brown in the street when Officer Wilson stopped them
While Mr Brown was running away from Mr Wilson, Mr Johnson says that his friend was shot once from behind and then turned to face the police officer while raising his arms in the air. According to Mr Johnson, the officer fired several more shots at Mr Brown before he fell to the ground.

Tiffany Mitchell, another eyewitness, recalled a similar narrative in an interview on CNN. She said that Mr Brown briefly struggled with Mr Wilson while he was still seated in the police car. During the struggle, Ms Mitchell says that the officer shot his gun through the window. Following the first gunshot, Mr Brown ran down the street, and the officer got out of his vehicle and shot again, alleges Ms Mitchell.

"Michael jerks his body as if he's hit and he turns around and faces the officer with his hands up," she said. "And the officer continues to shoot him until he goes down to the ground."

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Family lawyer Benjamin Crump said autopsy results backed up the witness accounts
What have the authorities said so far?

The day after the shooting, St Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar told reporters that Mr Brown or Mr Johnson allegedly pushed Officer Wilson back into his car as he was trying to get out, and proceeded to physically assault the officer. At some point, they struggled over Mr Wilson's weapon. A shot was fired in the car, at which point the officer got out of vehicle, and shot Mr Brown.

Jon Belmar at a police press conference
St Louis County Police chief Jon Belmar (left) with Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson
According to Mr Belmar, there was a distance of 35ft between Mr Wilson and Mr Brown when he was shot.

Citing the ongoing inquiry, officials have declined to release more detail.

What happens now?
US Attorney General Eric Holder has ordered a federal autopsy to be conducted on the body as soon as possible. The justice department already started a civil rights investigation into the shooting, deploying 40 FBI agents to Ferguson.

Michael Brown, the 18 year old who was shot dead in Ferguson, Missouri
Michael Brown had recently graduated from high school.
The local police have yet to release the full incident report related to the shooting of Michael Brown or the official autopsy report.

On Wednesday, a Missouri grand jury could begin hearing evidence to determine whether Mr Wilson will face criminal charges.

This is the other 'kid' and witness. Yeah, looks trustworthy.

Just another nice young man preparing for University I'm sure.

Thing is TG, you aren't in possession of any more information than the rest of us so in no better place to judge.

You say misinformation, but you have no way of knowing what is fact and what is not.
You just ASSUME the redneck cop cold bloodedly cut down a fine young black man out of fear when the poor chap didn't offer any threat at all to the mean old redneck.
Just as others are assuming a big young buck gangsta nigga for no reason attacked a policeman in the course of his duty and suffered the consequences.
Is one right to assume and the other not?
get back to us when you have more facts than the rest of us.

(CNN) — The Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who killed Michael Brown says the teenager rushed at him full speed in the moments before the shooting, according to an account phoned in to a St. Louis radio station and confirmed as accurate by a source with detailed knowledge of the investigation.

According to the account on KTFK, phoned in by a woman who identified herself as “Josie,” the altercation began after Officer Darren Wilson rolled down his window to tell Brown and a friend to stop walking in the street.

When Wilson tried to get out of his cruiser, Brown first tried to push the officer back into the car, then punched him in the face and grabbed for his gun before breaking free after the gun went off once, the caller said.

Wilson pursued Brown and his friend, ordering them to freeze, according to the account. When they turned around, Brown began taunting Wilson, saying he would not arrest them, then ran at the officer at full speed, the caller said.

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Originally Posted by Koojo

Thing is TG, you aren't in possession of any more information than the rest of us so in no better place to judge.

You say misinformation, but you have no way of knowing what is fact and what is not.
You just ASSUME the redneck cop cold bloodedly cut down a fine young black man out of fear when the poor chap didn't offer any threat at all to the mean old redneck.
Just as others are assuming a big young buck gangsta nigga for no reason attacked a policeman in the course of his duty and suffered the consequences.
Is one right to assume and the other not?
get back to us when you have more facts than the rest of us.

(CNN) — The Ferguson, Missouri, police officer who killed Michael Brown says the teenager rushed at him full speed in the moments before the shooting, according to an account phoned in to a St. Louis radio station and confirmed as accurate by a source with detailed knowledge of the investigation.

According to the account on KTFK, phoned in by a woman who identified herself as “Josie,” the altercation began after Officer Darren Wilson rolled down his window to tell Brown and a friend to stop walking in the street.

When Wilson tried to get out of his cruiser, Brown first tried to push the officer back into the car, then punched him in the face and grabbed for his gun before breaking free after the gun went off once, the caller said.

Wilson pursued Brown and his friend, ordering them to freeze, according to the account. When they turned around, Brown began taunting Wilson, saying he would not arrest them, then ran at the officer at full speed, the caller said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/mis...html?hpt=hp_t

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Like that account...let's go with Josie...although people will decide to believe it or not depending on Josie's ethic origins....

Calling in the National Guard will certainly assist. Whitey having fun in his weekends, gets to dress up in his combat gear and play real bang bangs with the nigras.

Weekend warrior dentists and chiropodists protecting the Flag against its enemies, domestic and foreign, and niggers.

The significance of the re-entry wounds may be lost to some here. If, as most of us know, the cop slaughtered the boy in his temper the rounds penetrated the body as it lay prone on the road and ricocheted back. But I should imagine counter expert testimony will be roped in by the cops.

The perp in this case is certainly not going to give a truthful account and the grounds are being laid for any jury to acquit.

No wonder blacks in the US get so damn angry.

The cop is a killer. Best they target his sorry ass and get it over with. They'll never get justice otherwise.

Originally Posted by thegent

The significance of the re-entry wounds may be lost to some here. If, as most of us know, the cop slaughtered the boy in his temper the rounds penetrated the body as it lay prone on the road and ricocheted back. But I should imagine counter expert testimony will be roped in by the cops.

The perp in this case is certainly not going to give a truthful account and the grounds are being laid for any jury to acquit.

No wonder blacks in the US get so damn angry.

The cop is a killer. Best they target his sorry ass and get it over with. They'll never get justice otherwise.

Actually the re entry wounds could be re entry after passing through the soft flesh of an arm for example, and hitting the body..
I haven't seen the diagram outlining which are the re entry wounds.
You're assuming again. I seriously doubt he was shot while laying on the road.

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So thegent, your real angst over this case is based on some deep rooted hatred of America and Americans; and apparently you really don't believe "Josie"???

You might want to re-read a bit. A few things apparently occurred before the "young boy" allegedly charged towards the cop, who already had been involved in some kind of dust-up with him.....perhaps with his head bend forward to receive that final and fatal round.

Overall, the accuracy of the shooting was not that good if the target was standing still... but if he was in fact charging towards the shooter...??? That can probably be established one way or another by the forensics guys.

In the meantime feel free to vent and fume about America as much as you think necessary; but be warned, 320 million of them really don't give a shit what you think of them....sorry....

Originally Posted by Koojo

Actually the re entry wounds could be re entry after passing through the soft flesh of an arm for example, and hitting the body..

That's pretty much what the medical examiner said on TV.....and now we have some kind of "witness" stating that she saw the "young boy" charging at the cop, while thegent assures us that he was laying prone on the ground being slaughtered by the redneck cop......

I shouldn't apologise. That American society is one of the most dangerous in the world, and certainly the most dangerous of any developed country, is a matter of undisputed record.

To injustice belongs injustice. Whitey will reap what he sows and the wheel turns. It seems to me the only difference these days is that American cops seem to be getting fatter by the year. Their stupidity, however, remains constant.

The boy was murdered. The police will cover it up. A trial, if any will acquit. Blacks will react. Whitey suppresses. Wait until the next time and repeat.

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Koojo

Actually the re entry wounds could be re entry after passing through the soft flesh of an arm for example, and hitting the body..

That's pretty much what the medical examiner said on TV.....and now we have some kind of "witness" stating that she saw the "young boy" charging at the cop, while thegent assures us that he was laying prone on the ground being slaughtered by the redneck cop......

Excellent. I am pleased when a cunning plan comes together. So you agree then that the boy could not be charging forwards when he was shot six times but was in the act of turning and was shot sideways as he rotated.

Thank you. The charging forward nonsense is disinformation but I'm pleased you now accept this.

Originally Posted by terry57

Check his mate out covered in kneck tatts. They where a bad crew no doubt about that.

No, they were a couple of nice young chaps on the way back from the store to continue their preparations for University when they were accosted by the nasty racist policeman who shot one of them dead for no reason at all.
haven't you been paying attention to reacharound and TG?

TG, take it you have never seen someone running, arms move across the body.

As opposed to the truth that they were drug crazed psychopaths chewing the cop's car with their teeth and were coming back for more when the cop,huddled up against a wall protecting himself having broken his fingernail and had his parting mussed, accidentally discharged his weapon six times somewhere in the vicinity of the ravening nigger with huge red staring eyes and salivating from his long, wicked nigger teeth.

Ain't that right, Koojo?

TG, are the tatts gang tattoos, or flowers, I don't know, haven't seen the tattoos.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

TG, take it you have never seen someone running, arms move across the body.

Err, except of course, please let us not depart too much from what actually happened, it is apparent to just about everyone the boy had his arms raised in surrender. But please do witter on in your CSI musings.

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by jamescollister

TG, take it you have never seen someone running, arms move across the body.

Err, except of course, please let us not depart too much from what actually happened, it is apparent to just about everyone the boy had his arms raised in surrender. But please do witter on in your CSI musings.

Tell us what actually happen, as you have him being shot, hands in the air, standing still, cop using a hand gun, not a machine gun.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

TG, are the tatts gang tattoos, or flowers, I don't know, haven't seen the tattoos.

Not exactly 'art' tatoos.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by jamescollister

TG, take it you have never seen someone running, arms move across the body.

Err, except of course, please let us not depart too much from what actually happened, it is apparent to just about everyone the boy had his arms raised in surrender. But please do witter on in your CSI musings.

Tell us what actually happen, as you have him being shot, hands in the air, standing still, cop using a hand gun, not a machine gun.

Hands in the air, turning, I don't see how a bullit would have passed through the fleshy part of the arm and entered the body if the hands were in the air surrender style, unless they were in the air boxer style.

The boy runs away from the cop who starts shooting ( we have yet to hear from the police department how many rounds were expended ). The boy stops and turns round but the cop keeps shooting, he raises his arms but the cop advancing puts another into his skull as he falls.

Makes no difference really. The cop knew the kid wasn't armed. He could have simply remained in his vehicle and called for backup and then apprehended the victim in more controlled circumstances using non lethal force. That's why they have tasers.

But it seems in redneck Hicksville this cop was a tenth rate officer who allowed his emotions to dictate his behaviour and simply shot the boy to death.

In many parts of America this is quite acceptable policing. As I say a ghastly society.

Originally Posted by thegent

The boy runs away from the cop who starts shooting ( we have yet to hear from the police department how many rounds were expended ). The boy stops and turns round but the cop keeps shooting, he raises his arms but the cop advancing puts another into his skull as he falls.

You conjecturing is all that is.
Cop winds window down and tells thugs to get off the road and walk on the footpath, thug punches cop through open window and starts grappling with cop for gun, cop gets hand on gun first, thug won't let go or back off. Cop is now in desperate struggle for weapon fearing the consequences if thug gets hold of it he fires, wounding thug who continues to fight for gun, cop fires again and again, thug keeps fighting, cop finishes it.
Remember also, there were two thugs, not just the one who got himself shot.

Makes no difference really. The cop knew the kid wasn't armed. He could have simply remained in his vehicle and called for backup and then apprehended the victim in more controlled circumstances using non lethal force. That's why they have tasers.

But it seems in redneck Hicksville this cop was a tenth rate officer who allowed his emotions to dictate his behaviour and simply shot the boy to death.

In many parts of America this is quite acceptable policing. As I say a ghastly society.

You have no more idea what happened than anyone else.

Cop had ESP and knew no weapons, big guy just stands there hands in the air, taking 5 rounds, then falls forward, not backwards or side ways, for the head shot.

What happened to standing over him, for the last 2 shots, witnesses for the prosecution, guess you don't believe them.