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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
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    I heard the US airlines did not fly the route because the FAA did not allow it, but the others did


    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Apparently they have not been restricted from flying 'willy nilly' over this zone, apparently it is not a 'restricted' zone.
    Sources gents?
    You're shitting me right?
    Either it isn't a restricted Zone or the Malaysian Airlines flight was flying in a restricted zone.

    Frome Roobarbs post #5
    Virgin and Lufthansa have only just now announced that they will be re-routing flights to avoid Eastern Ukraine and I expect the others will follow suit.
    And Helge post #15
    Airlines were warned in april about using the Ukraine corridor
    Assuming these are correct, it is not (or at least wasn't at the time) a 'restricted ' zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    they shot it down thinking it was an supply aeroplane a designated international air corridor should not have passed over an area where high altitude air defense systems are being used to shoot down aircraft
    Indeed - strange oversight to make eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Assuming these are correct, it is not (or at least wasn't at the time) a 'restricted ' zone.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Either it isn't a restricted Zone or the Malaysian Airlines flight was flying in a restricted zone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Assuming these are correct, it is not (or at least wasn't at the time) a 'restricted ' zone.
    The authorities issue warnings or suggestions. it's up to the airlines to instruct their pilots. In addition there are numerous air traffic controllers who would suggest where to fly, again it's up to the pilots of the planes.

    Malaysian airways, along with most others, have been in the past ignoring any suggestions and flown the shortest routes -great circle routes between the tow points.

    What the Ukrainian air traffic control suggested to the pilots is, at the moment, unknown or not public knowledge. As of last night, after the incident, Thai airways were following their normal, through the war zone, great circle route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    they shot it down thinking it was an supply aeroplane a designated international air corridor should not have passed over an area where high altitude air defense systems are being used to shoot down aircraft
    Indeed - strange oversight to make eh?
    Not really, when it was declared an air corridor it was peacetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    they shot it down thinking it was an supply aeroplane
    supply what to whom?
    it was right at the edge of Ukraine heading to Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Probably because they have satellites looking at the Ukraine where there is a conflict going on
    Most spy satellites travel aroung the earth, hence there are lots of black holes not covered 24hrs a day. However I would suggest the "neutral" belligerents will have plenty of AWACs flying around and to think that the "neutrals" aren't aware of the culprit is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    supply what to whom? it was right at the edge of Ukraine heading to Russia
    There is a hot war going on on that border. Not that anyone has declared it as a war otherwise many countries would have to stop their "assistance".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    Would the area not currently be classed a "War stricken region"?
    It was, up to 32,000 ft. Now it is for all altitudes.

    It takes a fair bit of military might to take out a plane at altitudes in excess of 30,000 feet and militants were thought not to be in the hands of anything sophisticated enough to be a threat. That assumption has since been revised.

    It should be easy to get cheap tickets on MAS at the moment.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    If you followed what has been happening in Ukraine instead of reading conspiracy websites about invisible planes you might actually understand why most sensible people drew that conclusion based on the facts available.
    Any suggestions as to the where the "sensible people" should "read the truth"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    It should be easy to get cheap tickets on MAS at the moment.....
    Thai Airways now flying over Bulgarian Airspace as opposed to Ukrainian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    militants were thought not to be in the hands of anything sophisticated enough to be a threat.
    You are assuming the "militants" did it? it would be nice to understand your logic/evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    militants were thought not to be in the hands of anything sophisticated enough to be a threat.
    You are assuming the "militants" did it? it would be nice to understand your logic/evidence.
    Militants are associated with bad guys, naturally - bad activity.

    Where, the official establishment are rich with goodness and light, naturally.

    Can hardly get around manufactured convention and standard thought process, can we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme
    Militants are associated with bad guys, naturally - bad activity
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    You are assuming the "militants" did it? it would be nice to understand your logic/evidence.
    I am not really assuming anything. Officially the Ukraine Government say it wasn't them and ditto the Russians so "militants" it is.

    Air corridor was open for flight plans and so there was nothing wrong with MAS being there at the time. Ukraine ATC could have closed air space if they thought it warranted.

    Problem is that the Black Sea route is also a danger zone so what do you want them to do...fly westabout?

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    Allegedly a video of the crash. Not a plane I would want to be in.


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    ^^ Yes.


    U.S. intelligence confirms pro-Russian rebels shot down Malaysian plane - how the headline was made.

    Well guys. What brought down the plane?
    Don't know boss. Still looking for evidence.
    Listen up guys. The world needs and answer. We will give it to them. Let's start with what we know. A plane came down.
    Right boss.
    It came down over a war zone.
    Correct boss.
    So it must have been a missile 'cuz Saddam Bin Laden hasn't claimed responsibility for a bomb.
    Err. OK boss.
    Now who are the good guys in the war?
    Good guys, boss?
    Yes. Who are our allies?
    Oh, Ukraine.
    Right. Our allies never do any wrong so it's the bad guys we want. Now who are the bad guys?
    Err, well technically ..
    The bad guys, friends of China or Russia. You know. Bogey men.
    Oh, right boss. There are some friends of Russia nearby, sir. Rebels.
    Right, so now we have the proof. The bad rebel guys did it with a missile. Write up your report and have it on my desk in 5 minutes.
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    That surely would be my trusted and objective info source.....the U.S. intelligence community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Allegedly a video of the crash. Not a plane I would want to be in.
    Looks like it's missing the right wing outboard of the engine, and what remains of the attached portion of the wing and engine is on fire.

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    Kill two birds with one stone. ……..Eliminate some of the worlds top AIDS scientists and make it look like it was Russia’s fault. pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEVIN2008 View Post
    Kill two birds with one stone. ……..Eliminate some of the worlds top AIDS scientists and make it look like it was Russia’s fault. pathetic
    Christ almighty, here we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEVIN2008 View Post
    Kill two birds with one stone. ……..Eliminate some of the worlds top AIDS scientists and make it look like it was Russia’s fault. pathetic
    That is a sick thing to say. There were kids, families, etc. on there. Not just the AIDS people.

    Reading the press and seeing the photos of the people is just heartbreaking. RIP to them all.

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    It appears the flight took a more easterly course through Ukraine and then continued on the great circle route from there. This was unusual for the Malay flights as most previous flights exited Ukraine to the west of this course. This divergence created a flight plan straight over the now hot war zone. AA batteries on all sides therefore saw an unusual flight heading towards them and one allegedly fired.

    Why did the pilot take this unusual course or who "advised" him/her to take it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by patsycat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KEVIN2008 View Post
    Kill two birds with one stone. ……..Eliminate some of the worlds top AIDS scientists and make it look like it was Russia’s fault. pathetic
    That is a sick thing to say. There were kids, families, etc. on there. Not just the AIDS people.

    Reading the press and seeing the photos of the people is just heartbreaking. RIP to them all.
    You have misunderstood the post, calm down...think outside the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    Why did the Malay plane diverge from previously flown routes yesterday which went around the war zone? Allegedly for the past 10 flights they had flown around the war zone.
    They diverted due to bad weather, and since above 30,000 feet was not considered a no fly zone, the pilots would have thought nothing of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh
    You are assuming the "militants" did it? it would be nice to understand your logic/evidence.
    Considering that it has only been the "militants" knocking planes out of the sky lately, it seems a logical assumption.

    Why is it so hard to believe that some gung ho rebel with a new weapon mistakens a civilian plane for a military one? In the recording I posted earlier you can hear a rebel ask "what the fuck is a commercial airliner doing flying in a war zone?" They wouldn't have even thought to check.

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    It really doesn't matter what flight pattern the pilot took over the Ukraine. As mentioned before the "no-fly" zone was supposedly set between 30,000-32,000 feet, depending on what source you believe. The airliner was supposed to be at 33,000 feet when shot down. This may become a bone of contention during the investigation since there was not a lot of space between the "no-fly" zone and the path of the Malaysian plane.

    Either way, the plane was supposedly shot down by a Russian supplied missile since they were the only ones with that kind of capability. This will also become another talking point during the upcoming investigation. Russia claims it was the Ukraine who shot them down. Has another country supplied the Ukraine with this capability since they did not previously have it? Time will tell.

    It is very difficult sorting the truth from all the news stories since some are pro-Russin while others are anti-Russian. It is times like this that I wonder if the public will every know the real truth. I feel very very bad for the families involved.

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    Then there is the intercepted conversation between a rebel and the Russian military officer discussing the passenger plane they shot down. Real, not real, your guess is as good as mine.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...pt-356545.html

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