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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    So what have the investigation team been spending their hours and somebody's money on.
    I'd try reading the investigation reports.

    Then again reading before opening your trap is not something you're good at, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    So what have the investigation team been spending their hours and somebody's money on. No evidence a court would accept? But you guess/prejudice has been confirmed.

    Either excellent ignorance or your pills need adjusting, which is it?
    Indeed, I was so completely astonished by contextual content of post # 799, that I could not even muster a basic berating reply, to the absurdity of it. Thanks OhOh. Cheers!

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    Nailed it.

    Putin's attempts to blame Ukraine verges upon the cynical Communist deceit of the 1960s and has been roundly condemned for the puerile rubbish it is.

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    No conclusive evidence Russia behind MH17 downing: Malaysia transport minister

    KUALA LUMPUR: There is no conclusive evidence to confirm that Russia was responsible for the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, Malaysian transport minister Anthony Loke said on Wednesday (May 30).

    Investigators probing the 2014 downing of flight MH17 said last Thursday for the first time that the missile which brought down the plane over eastern Ukraine originated from a Russian military brigade. All 298 people onboard died.

    Speaking to Channel NewsAsia on Wednesday, Mr Loke said: "There is no conclusive evidence to point at Russia under the JIT (Joint Investigative Team) evidence."

    Moscow has rejected JIT's accusation, saying no such weapon had ever crossed the Russian-Ukrainian border and that it was an attempt to "discredit Russia in the eyes of the international community".

    "But who's responsible - you can't just pinpoint at Russia," said Mr Loke, when asked about the findings.

    "Of course we have to take into consideration diplomatic relations," he said, adding that "any further actions will be based on conclusive evidence".

    Australia and the Netherlands, whose citizens were also onboard the plane, have informed Russia that they hold the country responsible under international law for its role in bringing down MH17.

    On Tuesday, Russia rejected calls from the Dutch to accept responsibility at a UN Security Council meeting in Ukraine.


    FINAL MH370 REPORT OUT IN JULY

    Meanwhile, Mr Loke also told Channel NewsAsia that the final report on MH370, the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 that disappeared in March 2014 with 239 people onboard, will be released in July.

    "What we are deciding right now is the final report of the investigation team, (which) will be released in July. This is what I've committed - we will give full disclosure without any hiding or editing of the contents," he said.

    Mr Loke also reiterated that the government will consider another search if new evidence resurfaces.

    "If there's any credible lead or evidence, of course I'll bring it back to the Cabinet to reopen the search but as of now, the team has briefed me that they've done everything possible," he said.

    "If there are any offers (like that from Ocean Infinity), they can come to us and we can make a decision later."

    Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...aysia-10290266

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    Why is this recent flurry of nonsense considered 'News'? Yes, MH17 was downed by a Russian manufactured Buk missile. We have known that for years. Buk's are carried by the Russian & Ukrainian defence forces, and the Ukrainian 'rebels'. The question is, who fired it? The second question is, was it a deliberate strike (seems unlikely) or a case of mistaken identity?

    So, Yawwwn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    This surely cannot be true. Flying thru the war zone? How many others did it that time?
    And why the records are not available - and the operators either?
    There were other flights at that time in this particular airspace, but notably some airlines were already avoiding the area.
    I know that both BA & Qantas were already diverting their flights.

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    FlightRadar24 just before MH17 went down
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    Same area just now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Why is this recent flurry of nonsense considered 'News'? Yes, MH17 was downed by a Russian manufactured Buk missile. We have known that for years. Buk's are carried by the Russian & Ukrainian defence forces, and the Ukrainian 'rebels'. The question is, who fired it? The second question is, was it a deliberate strike (seems unlikely) or a case of mistaken identity?

    So, Yawwwn.
    Maybe if you read some of the recent news, you'd have a fucking clue to at least one of your questions, wouldn't you?

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    ^ If you actually have something 'new' that I failed to notice, then cease your incessant babbling and cut n' paste it here (with link, of course).

    Until such time, we know what downed the airliner, but still don't know who fired it- even the Malaysian government agrees, ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    we know what downed the airliner,
    Not so fast.

    Some believe it may be different models of SAM (surface to air) missile. Depending on the model, the countries who had that missile type in their active military arsenal would be capable of firing it and bring down the passenger plane. Those that didn't would not.

    Evidence of the damage the different missile models would produce were provided by the missile types manufacturers. There is no indication as to whether that evidence has been incorporated in the current inquiries findings. The evidence displayed at the recent announcement of Russia's guilt indicated that Russia did not have the actual model in their arsenal at the time of the incident.

    There are questions as to whether the missile displayed and the unused missiles, on the back of a launcher allegedly photographed at the time 'rushing back to Russia", are the same model.

    Other are still suggesting a military plane brought the passenger plane down with an AAM (air to Air) missiles. Depending on what weapon was used determines who had the capability/opportunity to fire the cannon, missile or missiles that brought down the aircraft.

    There is also the missing radar data problem. The current inquiry has not shown evidence from all parties with proven capability. This might suggest those who have failed to provide evidence may be hiding something.

    So, currently, we do not know who or what brought down the passenger jet. What we do know is one country is being asked to admit it did it. Russia.

    Is this another 'Kiev Based Russian Reporter Murdered by Russia", moment?

    ‘Certainly not’: Putin denies Russian missile shot down flight MH17


    Published time: 25 May, 2018 16:11 Edited time: 26 May, 2018 16:02


    The missile manufacturers have identified discrepancy in the alleged missile produced, what type of ordinance the displayed missile carried and who had them in their arsenals at th time of the incident etc.

    https://www.rt.com/news/427799-mh17-...e-not-russian/
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    In such cases when it can always be used against Russia (or was it as such planted), no facts/evidents are necessery - just "highly likely" is enough for the powers that be...

    Sadly, not only for "powers that be" (they follow their promising agenda), but also for some who cannot admit they have bet on a wrong horse (please no names here).

    Who will have the guts to tell them: "How dare you, stop the nonsence"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Not so fast.
    No - We know what downed it.

    Stop waffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ^ If you actually have something 'new' that I failed to notice, then cease your incessant babbling and cut n' paste it here (with link, of course).

    Until such time, we know what downed the airliner, but still don't know who fired it- even the Malaysian government agrees, ffs.
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    The surface-to-air missile that shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, a Boeing 777, belonged to the Russian armed forces, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) said May 24.

    Post #781

    Australia and the Netherlands have formally accused Russia of being responsible for downing a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet in 2014.
    So perhaps you should read the fucking news before you actually start spouting bollocks about it, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    We
    The royal "we", take credit but no responsibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    If you actually have something
    The question was directed to you, not some imaginary, "we".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    The royal "we", take credit but no responsibility.



    The question was directed to you, not some imaginary, "we".
    Oh stop waffling.

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    Oh dear,

    It appears the Russians have a complete paper trail of the missile and video analysis the JIT allege was used to bring down MH17.

    Serial numbers of missile that downed MH17 show it was produced in 1986, owned by Ukraine - Russia

    The serial numbers found on debris of the Buk missile which downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine show it was produced in 1986, the Russian military said. The projectile was owned by Ukraine, they added.

    There are two serial numbers found on fragments of the missile, which shot down the passenger airliner in June 2014 according to an international team of investigators led by the Netherlands. The numbers were marked on the engine and the nozzle of the missile.

    The Russian military on Monday said they had traced them to a missile which had the producer serial number 8868720.

    peaking to journalists, Gen. Nikolay Parshin showed a document trail of the Buk missile. According to the documents, some of which have been declassified for the presentation, it was produced at a military plant in Dolgoprudny in the Moscow region in 1986.

    The missile was shipped from the plant on December 29, 1986 and delivered to military unit 20152 located in what is now Ukraine. It is now called 223rd anti-aircraft defense regiment of the Ukrainian armed forces, the report said. The unit took part in Kiev's crackdown on rebels in eastern Ukraine in June 2014, the general said.
    The evidence disproves the accusations by Ukraine and some other parties, which claim that a missile fired by a launcher, secretly delivered from Russia, was responsible for the downing of MH17, the Ministry of Defense report said. All the materials have been sent to the Dutch investigators, the Russian military added.

    The Russian military also challenges video footage used by the UK-based group Bellingcat, which calls itself a citizen journalism organization, to back its allegations about the delivery of the Buk launcher from Russia. The Defense Ministry showed a video clip with some of the footage, highlighting inconsistencies, which it said proved that the footage had been manipulated to place images of the launcher into background which were not in the original.
    The Bellingcat investigation was featured in the latest update by Dutch prosecutors involved in the MH17 investigation, prompting the Russian military to study it in detail, they said. The Russian video showed an example of how an Abrams tank can be shown to be carried by a trailer in the streets of Ukraine in the same way.

    Video, photos and more here:

    https://www.rt.com/news/438596-mh17-...sian-briefing/

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Oh dear,

    It appears the Russians have a complete paper trail of the missile and video analysis the JIT allege was used to bring down MH17.
    Of course they have. RT said so.



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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Of course they have. RT said so.
    Dutch prosecutors investigating the downing of flight MH17 have said they will study any information that Russia provides, after its officials said they had proof the missile that hit the plane was in Ukrainian hands


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45546611



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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Dutch prosecutors investigating the downing of flight MH17 have said they will study any information that Russia provides, after its officials said they had proof the missile that hit the plane was in Ukrainian hands


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45546611


    Of course they will study it. But they already know it's horseshit.

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    Russia's Defense Ministry unveils its latest MH17 denial

    On September 17, the Russian Defense Ministry presented more claims that it wasn’t responsible for supplying the weapon that destroyed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014. Based on “declassified archives,” Russian officials once again said the missile that downed the plane was fired from territory controlled by the Ukrainian military. The Defense Ministry also played an excerpt from an audio tape where a man identified as a colonel in the Ukrainian army discusses bringing down “another Malaysian Boeing.”


    Finally, Russian military officials accused foreign investigators on the Joint Investigation Team of doctoring video footage to produce evidence that the “Buk” missile system responsible for the MH17 disaster was delivered from Russia and then snuck back across the border.


    Eliot Higgins, the founder of the open-source intelligence group Bellingcat, responded to the Defense Minstry’s new claims, tweeting, “I expect some very stupid people will be very excited about the Russian Defense Ministry’s MH17 press conference.” In subsequent tweets, he explained that Moscow was merely “misinterpreting the shadows and objects” in video footage, and concluded that “Russia’s ‘experts’ don’t have a clue what they’re talking to, and don’t have access to the same original source material we have.”


    In an official reaction, the Joint Intelligence Team said it would review Moscow’s new materials, but pointed out that information supplied by Russian officials in the past “was factually inaccurate on several points.” The JIT also restated its conclusion that the missile that downed MH17 was brought from Russia, returned to Russia, and fired from an area controlled by pro-Russian separatists.


    https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/09/18...st-mh17-denial

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    an official reaction, the Joint Intelligence Team said it would review Moscow’s new materials, but pointed out that information supplied by Russian officials in the past “was factually inaccurate on several points.”
    Translation: Vlad is a terrible liar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Translation: Vlad is a terrible liar.
    Who should bother with evidence for liars?


    Evidence Is No Longer A Western Value

    Russia Provides Conclusive Proof That Ukraine Downed Malaysia Airlines MH17

    Of course, proof, facts, evidence are no longer of any consequence in the Western World. Transparently false accusations can be leveled without any evidence provided, and the lie becomes a fact. “Russiagate” is a perfect example.

    Feminist students in Western universities, who find themselves “offended” by scientific fact, denounce scientists for speaking truth that contradicts feminist ideology, and the university administrations, obedient to feminish ideology, haul the scientists before hearings ideologically prepared to declare the scientist, if male, a misogynist. https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...-with-science/

    History is rewritten into fantasy because the historical facts are “offensive” to one “victim group” or the other. Identity politics has birthed a new world: history is whatever serves agendas. Nothing else counts. Truth least of all.

    Justice no longer exists in America as 97% of felony convictions result from self-incrimination—plea bargains in which the defendant, innocent or guilty, advised by his attorney that a fair trial is impossible, admits to some offense in exchange for a watered-down sentence. See Roberts and Stratton, The Tyranny of Good Intentions: https://www.amazon.com/Tyranny-Good-...+Craig+Roberts

    Decades ago when there was still some semblance of justice in the American justice system, police had to provide sound evidence for their case in order for the prosecutor to take up the case. The reason was that prosecutorial budgets were limited, and the career interests of prosecutors was to get as many convictions out of their budget as possible. Today, however, when even the innocent prefer to admit a crime rather than run the risk of a trial, prosecutors have endless strings of “convictions” without having to spend days or weeks in trial.

    Today prosecutors no longer have to prove a case before a jury. They only negotiate with the defendant’s attorney a crime, whether committed or not, that settles the case.

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    ^Your pulling the curtain to quickly, slowly, slowly, so they can absorb and adjust to this new world. Otherwise fear turns to rage, turns to anger, against the exposer.

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