Thread: Malaysian Airliner shot down over Ukraine

Originally Posted by pseudolus

'Ukrainian military worker' claims one of his country's fighter jets shot down MH17 | Daily Mail Online

Ahh so the merkins shot one Malaysia plane down, and the US sponsored fascists running Ukraine's airforce shot the other one down.

What has the US got against Malaysian Airlines? Did they cancel a load of boeing orders and went with Airbus instead?

Exactly what happened ! (I apologize as I'm three months after your post.)

Actually , Boeing Marketing forces will casually remind customers for orders in this manner. That's why they've got such a backlog on the books.

Actually, CT# 15905 states that the Engine Maintenace was overdue and Rolls-Royce Trent sent a reminder message to the 777-200 ER. The intercept of that message was deciphered incorrectly.
C'mon pseu, weren't you clued in advance ?

A former agent told me you have the makings to become the Chosen One.
Sincerely the agency likes your schtick...'talented' was the precise word.

RIP to those unfortunate souls and their families. So sad and unfortunate for all indeed.

Almaz-Antey chief engineer Mikhail Malisevskiy says the missile was out of production in Russia but the
Ukraine army had 991 at the time of the attack. Photo: AP

The Sydney Morning Herald
June 3, 2015
By Nick Miller

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was brought down by a 'Buk' ground-to-air missile, which exploded near the Boeing's cockpit then peppered the plane with shrapnel, a state-run Russian weapons manufacturer says. The claim confounds previous Kremlin claims that the flight was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.

Moscow-headquartered Almaz-Antey – which has manufactured Buk missile systems since 2002 – said it conducted its own analysis of the pattern of damage seen on pieces of MH17 wreckage recovered from the fields of eastern Ukraine.

That analysis showed that a Buk-M1 missile exploded 3-4 metres from the plane, close to the left side of the cockpit. Fragments from the warhead then hit the left wing and the left engine.

There was a distinctive 'double-T shape' to the damage which narrowed down the type of missile used, Mikhail Malisevskiy, chief engineer at the company, said at a news conference in Moscow on Tuesday, according to reports.

"If the Boeing was downed with an air defence missile, it could be only Buk-M1 and this type of missile," the company's director Yan Novikov told reporters. Mr Malisevskiy said that type of missile was out of production in Russia but the Ukraine army had 991 such missiles at the time of the attack.

The company also claimed it could prove the missile was shot from a region controlled by Kiev's forces, not separatists. The Russian military has previously made similar claims.

Almaz-Antey held the press conference to try to persuade the EU to lift sanctions against it, by showing it could not have manufactured the missile that brought down MH17.

All 298 people on board MH17 died in the crash on July 17 last year, including 27 Australian citizens.

Eliot Higgins, a British citizen journalist who has co-ordinated a 'crowd-sourced', international effort to investigate the MH17 crash, said the Almaz-Antey press conference marked a significant back-down by Russia. "This is probably as close as we are going to get to Russia admitting that a Buk missile was used to shoot down MH17," he said.

The prevailing counter-narrative, promoted by Kremlin's so-called "troll army" of patriotic bloggers, had been that a Ukrainian SU-25 plane shot down MH17. However the story was forced to change in the face of mounting evidence, including that gathered by Higgins' "Bellingcat" group.

Higgins said the company's theory as to the launch site of the missile did not match available evidence – and in any case still pointed to an area controlled by Russia-supported separatists. "All the evidence points in one direction," he said. "If they want to stick with this (alternative) launch site they have to explain why it is in separatist territory, and why no-one saw it there."

His group had persuasive evidence, including satellite photographs, eyewitness reports and video, that the Buk missile launcher had arrived from Russia a few weeks before, was fired from separatist-controlled territory, and then returned to Russia, he said.

MH17 plane was shot down by a Buk missile, Russian weapons manufacturer says

Satellite images provided by the Russian government as "proof" that Ukraine shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, which resulted in the death of 298 passengers, were digitally altered and the dates faked, according to a forensic analysis report.


You’d think in the digital age that no country would dare Photoshop satellite images and then use those images to blame a different country for shooting down a plane that resulted in all 298 passengers being killed. Yet that’s exactly what Russia did to point the finger of blame at Ukraine for downing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, according to forensic analysis of publicly available satellite images.
On July 17, 2014, MH17, a Boeing 777, was shot down over eastern Ukraine; days later, the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) held a press conference, blaming Ukraine for shooting down MH17 and releasing six satellite images as proof.
Bellingcat, a group of independent journalists, launched an investigation; on May 31 the group reported that the Russian’s claims “are a clear attempt by the Russian government to deceive the public, global community, and the families of the Flight MH17 victims.” Bellingcat released a report covering forensic analysis of satellite images (pdf). The group analyzed public images available through Google Earth before concluding:

On 21 July 2014, the Russian Ministry of Defense presented digitally modified and falsely dated satellite images to the international public in order to implicate the Ukrainian army in the downing of MH17. Later, on 1 August 2014, the MoD again published digitally altered and falsely dated satellite imagery with the release of Picture 5-analytics.

Russia Photoshopped satellite images to blame Ukraine for shooting down MH17: report | Computerworld

^So, we have a version produced by the Russian military. We have a version produced by a UK based, could or could not be honest, 10 month old, resourced by who knows, blogging company using Google photos as thier comparative reference benchmark.

Yes the same Google who has admitted working for the crusader coalition governments.


If you care to look at body of the report that in the linked pdf file of their? analysis includes phrases such as:

"Therefore, it is highly likely that the cloud in Picture 4 is not part of the original image and was added later."

are accepted by the report writers as proof.

From their Summary page, which lets face it, is the most many read.

"The forensic analysis conducted by the Bellingcat investigation team clearly and undoubtedly demonstrates that the dates of the satellite photos have been falsified"

From, in the report body, it is highly likely, to in the summary, clearly and undoubtedly demonstrates .

Would you go to war over something "highly likely", or maybe wait for real proof?

The crusader coalition has history of genocide using "highly likely" intelligence/propaganda/sexed up analysis which later turned out to be total proven fabrication. Are they at it again?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Would you go to war over something "highly likely", or maybe wait for real proof?

I wouldn't but some would.

Anyone with half a brain cell knows that the Russian-backed separatists took this down using Russian-supplied missiles, which were then spirited away over the border.

If they'd just admitted they shot down a civilian aircraft thinking it was a military one, this would be done and dusted by now.

Unfortunately those that suck on the Putin cock will always have plenty of bullshit to nestle in.

If you were to take the track record of oligarch dictator Putin and compare it against that of the US puppet corporatocracy and still decide that Putin is Satan, you really are one dumb ass dipshit motherfucker... I mean, in general... not just you harry

Originally Posted by Neo

not just you harry

Only sometimes eh

Originally Posted by OhOh

Would you go to war

no . but then again I don't think I suggested I would

Must see.
A 45 min docu on MH 17 on German TV channel DW or DW.com
Sunday 5th July. English version at 02.15 + 08.15 + 14.15 +22.15

Originally Posted by eceg

Must see.
A 45 min docu on MH 17 on German TV channel DW or DW.com
Sunday 5th July. English version at 02.15 + 08.15 + 14.15 +22.15

What's the title?

^Fatal Flight MH 17 | Documentaries and Reports | DW | 04.07.15 | DW.COM

MH17 Eyewitness, but nobody wants to listen

Lev Aleksandrovich ? MH17 eyewitness ? 7mei.nl

Originally Posted by Klondyke

MH17 Eyewitness, but nobody wants to listen

Lev Aleksandrovich ? MH17 eyewitness ? 7mei.nl

What good fortune that a retired miner just happened to have a militarygrade monocular laying around and knows the difference between an airbus and a boeing.

If the Chinese/Taiwanese can conclude the crash reason from an aircraft crash in a month or two why are "exceptional" countries taking years?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

just happened to have a militarygrade monocular laying around

He normally uses it around the village in the darker hours as his wife was killed by the explosive hailstones that have recently become extremely frequent.

Must be global warming.

Originally Posted by OhOh

If the Chinese/Taiwanese can conclude the crash reason from an aircraft crash in a month or two why are "exceptional" countries taking years?

Yes, why didn't the cockpit voice recorder have "Fuck me, we're being attacked by fighters!" on it?

A British pilot, Roger, would say,

"Take over for a while will you, Dickie, I have a few tracers in the old wrigleys gum, there's a chap".

Hi Co-pilot Dickie replies, " Roger, Roger. I say, old bean, is that a our engine dropping off?

Originally Posted by OhOh

A British pilot, Roger, would say,

"Take over for a while will you, Dickie, I have a few tracers in the old wrigleys gum, there's a chap".

Hi Co-pilot Dickie replies, " Roger, Roger. I say, old bean, is that a our engine dropping off?

No, he'd say "Cripes, we've got bandits at 12 o'clock high!".

^ Joking aside, our man with the super duper 7x50s said the Su was climbing and going North which would put it at around 2 O'clock low relative to the 777. I say super duper because they had enough magnification to see the tail numbers and a FOV of over a 1000m to see the attacker close in....

Still you can't believe everything you read on the tin...

Originally Posted by OhOh

"U.S. officials concluded Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was struck by a missile and shot out of the sky. A final report from investigators has yet to be released but CNN has learned new details from the draft investigative report for the July 17, 2014 incident.Dutch accident investigators say that evidence points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for shooting down MH-17, according to a source who has seen the report

Politics have gone way too far in this sad event. Whoever did it, it was almost certainly a accident of war, not a deliberate effort to kill civilians, and the airline deserves at least half the blame for knowingly flying over a war zone.

If the US wants to make an issue of this, maybe it's appropriate to bring up the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 in which the plane was exactly where it should have been but the Americans were meddling in the neighborhood. Why was there no criminal trial or court martial over that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Originally Posted by BobR

If the US wants to make an issue of this, maybe it's appropriate to bring up the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 in which the plane was exactly where it should have been but the Americans were meddling in the neighborhood. Why was there no criminal trial or court martial over that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

But the Americans accepted an ICJ judgement and paid compensation.

Can you imagine Putin doing that?

^Two very similar events. the tragic and expected consequence of handing a dangerous weapon to a monkey in a uniform.

Fortunately for the Scotts and Russians the Americans are unlikely to sort this out by having a bomb put on a Russian civilian airliner.