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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    For the record, I can think of no excuse for six cops shooting a 95 year old man who refused treatment and I hope they are swiftly brought to justice.

    But they wont. That's the point.
    One has been charged with "reckless conduct" and that only after 8 months of campaigning by the family.

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    Story seems fishy to me, 6 cops to an old peoples home for a grumpy old man, no contolroom/ dispatcher would send that many. Your lucky in most places to get a response for a minor crime and there was no crime here, yet the old guy was being arrested. Stopping the free movement of a person is arrested, what charge, not read up on this story, but doesn't sound right. Jim

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    Are you saying Jim it was an assassination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    For the record, I can think of no excuse for six cops shooting a 95 year old man who refused treatment and I hope they are swiftly brought to justice.

    But they wont. That's the point.
    One has been charged with "reckless conduct" and that only after 8 months of campaigning by the family.
    Another point is are you equally out raged by examples of police misconduct and brutality in other countries as well?

    How about posting some of those?

    (I see this one coming, a temporary shift from US bashing to Israel bashing )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    For the record, I can think of no excuse for six cops shooting a 95 year old man who refused treatment and I hope they are swiftly brought to justice.

    But they wont. That's the point.
    One has been charged with "reckless conduct" and that only after 8 months of campaigning by the family.
    Another point is are you equally out raged by examples of police misconduct and brutality in other countries as well?

    How about posting some of those?

    (I see this one coming, a temporary shift from US bashing to Israel bashing )

    I post what makes the news. Blame Google.
    But rest assured, if I see a story about 6 heavily armed (Non USA) cops killing a 96 year old because he didn't want to see a Doctor and only one is charged with a petty offence I will post it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    I post what makes the news. Blame Google.
    Don't do that mate, Google's American - you'll upset him even more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    I post what makes the news. Blame Google.
    Don't do that mate, Google's American - you'll upset him even more
    Yeah, but Google is in San Fransisco and owned by Hippies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk View Post
    This kind of thing just makes me sick to my stomach. You would think a 43 year old would know enough about life to give a 95 year old a break. No respect for the rights of this elderly gent at all.

    If they had any true consideration for this man's safety, even if they felt threatened, they could have just confined him to his room to let him cool down.
    Sick here too. I knew a cop in Chicago and he was big into taking steroids. Started in my hometown in Idaho but luckily the department put a stop to it. Guys on steroids have no brain whatsoever from what I can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Are you saying Jim it was an assassination?
    Not saying anything, just that you don't get 6 cops sent to a nursing home, bean bag hits like a heavy weight boxer, just doesn't add up. Was the old guy some superman, what authority do cops there have to force people to get medical treatment.

    Sounds sus all round, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Not saying anything, just that you don't get 6 cops sent to a nursing home, bean bag hits like a heavy weight boxer, just doesn't add up. Was the old guy some superman, what authority do cops there have to force people to get medical treatment.

    Sounds sus all round, Jim
    Maybe the donut shop was closed and they had nothing better to do? Who knows.

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    If the enquiry into this incident has found that the police rules and regulations were only infringed by one officer committing a minor offence, then those rules and regulations are clearly not fit for purpose.

    Given the mans age and physical limitations and his former service to his country, he has surely earned the right to self determination regarding medical treatment?

    The whole farce should not even have become an issue. Next time my house is burgled, I will expect a minimum of six armed police with tazers, shields and bean bag shotguns, just in case the burglar is inadvertantly damaged.

    We all know what i will actually get is a PCSO 3 days after the event with a crime number so I can claim on the insurance.

    This gentleman had rights under the constitution surely? If not, it should be ripped up and start again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Are you saying Jim it was an assassination?
    Not saying anything, just that you don't get 6 cops sent to a nursing home, bean bag hits like a heavy weight boxer, just doesn't add up. Was the old guy some superman, what authority do cops there have to force people to get medical treatment.

    Sounds sus all round, Jim
    They'll probably find traces of PCP and bath salts in his bloodstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    6 badass cops are needed to kill a 96 year old who just wanted to be left alone in his home.....
    Veterans are the new terrorist threat now, did you not know!

    The receive the lowest of the low care, while the border for voting fodder are being opened while the receive the best of treatment.

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    Did a bit of googling, story posted here is the families version, suing the police.
    Sad story all round, old guy was not going for treatment, he was to have an operation which he was likely not to survive, if he did, probably some form of life support in hospital, till he died. He was an involuntary patient, take that to mean court order of some kind.

    Cops and this is worldwide [west] have lost discretionary power, the use of commonsense is out, follow the book. Situation escalated when he old guy allegedly produced a 12 inch butcher knife, guess rules say bean bags, they fired until he dropped the knife.

    That's the way of things, health and safety, limit liability, all about the dollars. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    "we were just following orders" ... ?
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Did a bit of googling, story posted here is the families version, suing the police.
    Sad story all round, old guy was not going for treatment, he was to have an operation which he was likely not to survive, if he did, probably some form of life support in hospital, till he died. He was an involuntary patient, take that to mean court order of some kind.

    Cops and this is worldwide [west] have lost discretionary power, the use of commonsense is out, follow the book. Situation escalated when he old guy allegedly produced a 12 inch butcher knife, guess rules say bean bags, they fired until he dropped the knife.

    That's the way of things, health and safety, limit liability, all about the dollars. Jim
    Now where have we heard "just following orders" before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    he was to have an operation which he was likely not to survive
    Well - the filthy cowardly pigs made sure of that.
    Story disgusts me.

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    What amazes me is how easily and often cops taser people, when there have been numerous deaths from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    he was to have an operation which he was likely not to survive
    Well - the filthy cowardly pigs made sure of that.
    Story disgusts me.
    Afraid to say the western world in general has lost it's way, cops look like soldiers, not for your protection, there to intimidate the people. Governments showing who's in-charge, don't step out of line or these boys will fuk you over.
    We used to have policing, now we have enforcement, robbo cop will be next.
    New world, that's why I left and set up here, saw the writing on the wall, total control is the aim. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    robbo cop will be next.
    One of Googles latest acquisitions are building just this, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancelot View Post
    For the record, I can think of no excuse for six cops shooting a 95 year old man who refused treatment and I hope they are swiftly brought to justice.

    But they wont. That's the point.
    One has been charged with "reckless conduct" and that only after 8 months of campaigning by the family.
    Another point is are you equally out raged by examples of police misconduct and brutality in other countries as well?

    How about posting some of those?

    (I see this one coming, a temporary shift from US bashing to Israel bashing )

    I post what makes the news. Blame Google.
    But rest assured, if I see a story about 6 heavily armed (Non USA) cops killing a 96 year old because he didn't want to see a Doctor and only one is charged with a petty offence I will post it here.
    Good stuff on Google, the cop in charge of the unit involved in the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes is being honored. Menezies was the innocent Brazilian that was shot seven times in the head because the UK cops "thought" he was wearing a suicide bomber belt Looks like a guys fashion choice got him killed in the UK.

    I have long believed that the system of "honours" is at the heart of British Establishment corruption. Of course, there is nothing intrinsically wrong about honouring lifetime achievement or social contribution. There is, however, something very wrong about politicians making the selection.

    It is a minor piece of corruption for politicians to "honour" the nation's favourite footballers or pop stars. Like ugly, uncool Prime Ministers inviting beautiful people to Downing Street, they do it to win votes by associating themselves with popularity. That's what leads to such nonsense as rockers with more letters after their name than chords in their repertoire.

    But that is the least of it. There are the party apparatchiks who work loyally in the hope of a chance, one day, to lord it (perhaps even literally) over friends and neighbours. There are the newspaper editors who know that to allow their journalists to speak truth to power will jeopardise the knighthood that otherwise comes up with the rations. Even if they don't care for such trifles themselves, they will have a disappointed family to contend with. Perhaps a wife who loses the right to be "Lady X." Or a mother who misses a Buckingham Palace investiture. Such subtle pressures are enough to keep many in line.
    Of course, this is all rather English and understated. Rarely does the system shows its fangs. This year's New Year's Honours list, however, features a major, yellow-toothed, foul-breathed snarl;


    ...the Queen's Police Medal goes to assistant commissioner Cressida Dick, who runs Scotland Yard's specialist crime wing, but was in charge of the operation that led to the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell tube station in 2005.

    Yes, the jury in the "health and safety" show trial - used by the state to put the matter on hold until it was "old news" - specifically exonerated Ms Dick. Perhaps the lethal errors were all made after she - as Gold Commander - transferred control to CO19. Certainly there is no proof she was involved in discrediting an innocent victim in the disgraceful campaign of lies and spin which followed Jean-Charles's murder. Perhaps history will even remember her for her role as head of the Metropolitan Police's "Diversity Directorate" more than for that day of national disgrace. Perhaps.

    The question still remains. In honouring a woman whose name is tied to that monstrous injustice, what message, dear reader, does our Prime Minister intend to convey

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    Just come across this article. Honestly, one simply couldn't make it up.

    A 95 year old man, effectively disabled waves a cane, or what is alleged to be a knife, is shot at [I]after a conference of the six police officers[I].

    One wonders how that went. " hey, bub, this's a tricky one. Yep, he's one badass mean dude. That cane sure does look like a knife. Whaddya mean, it could be a goddamn samurai sword. Yeah, he's a vet for sure and maybe he took it off some Nip and knows how to use it. Yep, let's play safe. Who's got the bean bag shooter ".

    I rather think it is a prerequisite now for law enforcement officers anywhere to be terminally thick. Happened in Britain when a partially sighted guy was tasered by a copper who thought his cane was a sword. Poor fucker was simply walking along minding his business.

    Einstein was right, stupidity is going to get us all.

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