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    Bodies Of 800 Babies Found In Septic Tank In Ireland

    Bodies Of 800 Babies Found In Septic Tank In Ireland



    Mass grave of 796 babies found in septic tank at Catholic orphanage in Tuam, Galway

    04 JUNE 2014

    The Catholic Church in Ireland is facing fresh accusations of child neglect after a researcher found records for 796 youngsters believed to be buried in a mass grave beside a former orphanage for the children of unwed mothers in Tuam, Co Galway, Ireland.

    Mass grave of 796 babies found in septic tank at Catholic orphanage in Tuam, Galway - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

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    I must say i am a hardened bastard but this shook me..... just when you think the depravity of the Catholic Church can not get worse then along comes this. ..... 800 babies and toddlers dumped in a septic tank in any society indicates there is something very wrong and sick about it. Yes i am sad for the poor young women who were imprisoned there and who must have gone mad with grief at their loss..... the sheer scale of the numbers is staggering. We are talking about a Roman Catholic death camp.

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    Awful, simply horrid.

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    I just cannot comprehend the evil mentality of those involved. There is a special place in hell for those associated with this henus find. A truly despicable episode.

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    Staggering.

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    Just another disgusting chapter in their history.

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    Nah, surely not. Western civilization wouldn't do such a thing!

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    Beyond appalling.

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    fecking hell, shocking...

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    Hell on earth.

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    That'll need more than just a memorial... some jailings have to happen if at all possible.

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    The shocking thing about it is the Magdalene Sisters laundry sweat shops were still going right up until the early 70s. Those poor girls who were seperated from their children who were sold to the highest bidder.

    Watch the film Philomena, it is based on a true story of only one of those poor girls, there must be thousands more stories.

    The Catholic Church in Ireland has a lot to answer to. But as usual will deny any knowledge of anything. And stick their f-ing heads in the sand...

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    The Roman Catholic church is a cold blooded, depraved, calculated and well organized paedophile machine.

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    and Jimmy Saville was catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waid View Post
    Awful, simply horrid.
    Grotesque and unconscionable. Christianity has a darker and nastier history.

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    It's about time they owned up and confessed to the abuse of children and the young unmarried mothers at the time came forward and told their stories. Most of them must still be alive. They should have no shame now, which was probably drilled into their heads at the time. Also, the families of those young girls that they sent away because of the shame - they should also be hunted down and prosecuted especially the boy that put her in that horrible situation in the first place.

    I am not a feminazi, but what i have read and seen about this just makes my blood boil. And it went on and on and on.

    Those poor kids and their poor mothers. Their families should be ashamed.

    The Pope should interveen, but will he? Nah, never on his little pedastilled life.

    When i bought the DVD of the Magdalene Sisters there was a second DVD in the box. It was a documentary of the real women that the story was based on. Jeez did me and my friends cry.

    Unforgivable.
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    At least the catholic church is getting the blame and not the English....
    of course the Irish cannot do any wrong .

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    Veil of secrecy behind 'Holy' doors.

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    Right, they think they can hide. But after this atrocity there is going to be a lot of questions asked and need to be answered.

    They have hidden all this for too long. It's about time they opened their wee pursed up lips and told the truth.

    And the women who were put through all that heartbreak open their mouths too and tell the truth and not be afraid to do it. They are not going to be drowned like witches anymore. They are the victims here.

    Just another day in the world where women are treated like shit.

    It just upsets me so much, and i still live in my little bubble thinking that life is all roses and smiles. This evening i went out to get some fresh air and saw kids playing and happy people, but thinking about these sort of things that are going on just sort of make you bitter.
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    Merely human waste to be disposed of

    We need to know why the death rate among 'illegitimate' children was so high, writes Gene Kerrigan


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    Illustration by Tom Halliday

    How come hundreds of children died in the care of a Catholic Church institution in Tuam? And how come some – if not all – of them were disposed of like spoiled fruit? Dumped inside a septic tank. Why did it happen?


    What do we know about this country that might explain how such a thing could happen?

    And let's leave aside the unbearable thought that there were more – many more – children, in other locations, who had similarly short lives and who were disposed of with similar lack of human dignity.

    It didn't just happen. It wasn't just bad management. It took years of organisation, strategies of intimidation and control. And, let's face it, it took a citizenry steeped in fear and reverence.

    A population that was deferential. People who did what they were told. People who didn't dare ask questions.

    Not, of course, that dumping the bodies of almost 800 kids near a septic tank was the object of the exercise – that was just a byproduct. Just some human waste that had to be tucked away in a suitable place.

    It was about sex and power. It was about the right of the Church to do whatever it thought necessary to preserve its domain. It stemmed from a hierarchy of old men who were obsessed with sex.

    The Church was very conscious of its need to dominate. Never to serve – to dominate. People were leaving the land, for instance, moving to the capital.

    In Dublin, the smelly old tenements were being closed down. The city was spreading, new estates were going up. If the Catholic Church was to preserve its social and political dominance, it needed to follow its flock.

    Under the leadership of the legendary Archbishop John Charles McQuaid, between 1940 and 1965 the Church built no fewer than 34 churches in Dublin.

    These weren't pretty little places of spiritual reflection – they were massive structures that physically and psychologically dominated their surroundings.

    These buildings did not say, 'Come in here for solace' – as any church of any faith might say. They said, 'We are your masters.'

    In a period of world war, cold war, unemployment and emigration, the fabulously wealthy Catholic Church invested in its future.

    In exchange for continued loyalty and total deference, it offered reassurance. It continued to supply the free labour of its loyal foot-soldiers, the nuns and brothers, in exchange for control of education and health. It was an offer a deferential State was delighted to accept.

    On Sundays, those massive churches were packed solid, wall to wall, from the first Mass at 7.30am to the last at 12.30. The Church marshalled its lay people into Sodalities and Confraternities (in Limerick city, then with a population of 50,000, there were 10,000 Confraternity members).

    These were run with ruthless discipline. One senior member of the Confraternity in Limerick, for instance, recommended that the priest walk down the aisle, choose a pew at random and stare down the row – just to intimidate parishioners, who would wonder what they had done wrong.

    Regular expulsions for trivial matters sharpened the edge of guilt and fear in the awed people on whom the Confraternities thrived.

    The Church was in that period at the height of its power. It could do whatever it wanted. When you have a docile citizenry; an obedient political regime; academics who know which backsides to kiss; and a politically appointed judiciary, you can shape a society in your own image.

    Which is what the bishops did.

    And, as always, sex was their fixation. They laid down rules on who could have sex, and in what circumstances. To breach those rules was not merely to commit a sin – it was to risk social shaming.

    These men were suspicious of everything, and in the Forties their dirty minds even caused them to effect a ban on tampons. When they found out how the newly invented tampon was to be used, they gave the matter deep thought. They then, being men of the world, concluded that a tampon "could harmfully stimulate young girls at an impressionable age".

    They contacted the appropriate politician and tampons vanished from the shelves.

    As late as 1999, one of Ireland's most admirable people was publicly labelled a "common slut" by a priest. She had a baby and wasn't married. She had sex outside the rules. By then, even the most devout Catholics had had enough – and the priest had to withdraw the word "slut".

    In short, the "mother and baby" homes didn't just pop up because someone thought them a good idea. They were a product of a puritanical, shaming, abusive hierarchy of power.

    The bishops' Ireland was a pious country in which unapproved sex didn't happen. The women who got pregnant outside marriage, and who by their existence undermined the image of piety, had to be hidden away.

    And the children born of unapproved activities weren't real children. The word used was "illegitimate". They were children, but they were not legitimate children. So they were usually taken away from their mothers and hidden away.

    A seemingly high proportion appears to have died young. And, when a baby who wasn't legitimate died, an appropriate method of disposal had to be found.

    They set out to slaughter the children. They died, we must assume, of illness, poverty and perhaps some succumbed to the neglect that goes along with contempt. But there is evidence of a very high rate of death among such children, compared with children living "legitimate" lives. We need to know why that was.

    The quality of care – and in particular medical care – may be central.

    In the country shaped by the unrestrained power of the bishops, children were beaten and exploited. Paedophiles groped and raped, were caught and were moved on to fresh pastures, again and again and again. Just a small percentage of priests and brothers, true – but almost the entire Church establishment covered up their crimes.

    Again, what mattered more than anything was that the truth should not be allowed undermine the image of piety, and control, on which Church power was based. The future of the Church depended on that. And the future of anyone counted for little against that. Never mind the future of a child who wasn't considered legitimate.

    Bishop McQuaid promised: "No change will worry the tranquillity of your Christian lives." He was wrong. The next quarter century was one of questioning and change – social, sexual, economic – and the influence of the Church waned somewhat.

    Then came the decades of self-destruction. The crimes and the cover-ups seeped out. The citizenry grew sickened. They moved away from the Church. The habit of deference, however, lingered.

    History leaves its mark. And our history has been one of deference. To the British Empire. To the Bishops. To our European masters. To the bankers and their handmaidens.

    Comedian Tommy Tiernan was on John Murray's radio show recently, and he said: "Genetically, historically, we're so used to putting up with bad management and mistreatment that we kinda, there's something in us that thinks we deserve it." And he quoted writer Pat McCabe: "We have backs that are aching for the lash."

    Given the timidity of the Irish public on so many issues, when faced with aggressive power, it's hard to argue with that.

    Sunday Independent
    - See more at: Merely human waste to be disposed of - Independent.ie

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    maternal sin doth infect the unborn/young, perhaps.....

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    The Catholic Church should be stripped of all power and all it's possessions given to the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue
    of course the Irish cannot do any wrong .
    the Irish were victims of the Evil church.

    Getting close to God was their ambition
    only to find the Devil waiting.

    Thought is a controlling agent
    and thought invented organised religion.
    Making humans 2nd.hand and really really stoopid.
    The energy wasted is waste.

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    there will be more news on more sites where the nuns ran homes, think this will only be the tip of the iceberg of babies being disposed of in the same way.
    plus a lot of babies were exported-adopted overseas, sold like cattle.
    i hope all the irish catholics stop looking up to the clergy and give up going to church
    and don't donate another cent to this rotten pack of scum and tell that bloke who wears a dress aka the pope to piss off when he comes out with some homely like -i am praying for you etc,all the church heads knew what was going on but ignores it.

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    It really is time some government led the way and banned, or at least removed all protection from these prehistoric cults.

    Remove tax exemptions and any other govt support.
    Remove special protections under law.
    Make religious education for children a crime.
    Prohibit the public dissemination of any information which they cannot support with evidence or plausible theory.

    It's just patently ridiculous that we foster these delusions.
    If you walked into a psych hospital making claims similar to a priests you would be locked up.

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