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    US prisoner released

    I don't understand. The guy left his post without permission and gets taken prisoner. He then spends 5 years in captivity. He gets promoted 3 times in those 5 years. Now the military are looking to do him for desertion. WTF?

    Taliban's only American prisoner of war is freed after FIVE YEARS held captive in Afghanistan as part of prisoner deal - and breaks down in tears of relief and gratitude as he is airlifted to safety

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    'As the Administration has repeatedly affirmed, we will not transfer any detainee from Guantanamo unless the threat the detainee may pose to the United States can be sufficiently mitigated and only when consistent with our humane treatment policy.'

    Read more: 'He was never forgotten': Obama is joined by parents of soldier held captive by Taliban for five years as family celebrate his release | Mail Online
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    THE TALIBAN DETAINEES RELEASED SATURDAY FROM GUANTANAMO
    Abdul Haq Wasiq - Taliban deputy minister of intelligence
    Mullah Norullah Nori - Senior Taliban commander in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif who commanded insurgents fighting U.S. forces in late 2001
    Khairullah Khairkhwa - Senior Taliban official believed to have ties to Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar, the Taliban's founder
    Mohammed Nabi - A regional Chief of Security for the Taliban and eventual radio operator
    Mohammed Fazl - Believed to have overseen the mass extermination of Shiite Muslims during the 2000 - 2001 war that saw the Taliban rise to power in Afghanistan.

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    It's comforting to see the US stand by its principles not to negotiate with terrorists.

    Great also, that the release of senior Taliban prisoners will not compromise American lives.

    Well done Obama, you have my vote for your third term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    I don't understand. The guy left his post without permission and gets taken prisoner. He then spends 5 years in captivity. He gets promoted 3 times in those 5 years. Now the military are looking to do him for desertion. WTF?
    The circumstances of his capture/desertion/wandering off are murky. It is normal practice for POWs to be promoted during their captivity at the same rate as their peers.

    While his colleagues claim he left behind his body armor and weapon behind and just wandered off into the bush with his journal and a water bottle, this has not been proven yet.

    Given that he is a released POW, the flag-wavers will be out in force. Given that Obamination broke the law by not notifying Congress in advance that he was releasing terrorists from Gitmo, not to mention the sticky part of "We don't negotiate with terrorists!", he's not in a great position.

    My bet.........medical treatment and then a quiet discharge with full benefits. Folks just want it to go away.............Given the emotion attached to the POW issue, I doubt that Obama's opposition would make much out of hammering on this.

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    5 for 1

    must be more to the deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    It is normal practice for POWs to be promoted during their captivity at the same rate as their peers.
    What, even if he's seen as being AWOL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    5 for 1

    must be more to the deal
    The POW issue in the US is a very sensitive one. The US administration wanted their one POW back.

    No real worries releasing 5 terrorists from Gitmo - the US Afghan allies have already released almost all of the ones held in Astan. Haha - Karzai wouldn't even meet with Obama during his recent visit.

    Great plan Afghanistan. No purpose to it at all....should have read a few books by Kipling or the Soviets. What a waste of life. In the end, nothing will have changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    It is normal practice for POWs to be promoted during their captivity at the same rate as their peers.
    What, even if he's seen as being AWOL?
    As I said, the circumstances of his "capture" are murky. No wrongdoing has yet been proven.

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    An Email to his parents 3 days before his capture(?)
    • "The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong... I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."
    • "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing shit bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong... the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools."
    • "The US army is ... the army of liars, backstabbers, fools, and bullies... I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live."
    • "We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them."

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    ^Yep. I saw that. Still, nothing has been proven. Obviously a disillusioned young man. I personally think he just decided to check the Army and walk away from it all. I don't think he gave much thought to what he was walking into.

    This is a real political football in the US. People there believe POWs from Vietnam - over 40 years ago - are still being held, despite not one shred of evidence ever having been produced to support the theory.

    This whole event will be swept under the rug expeditiously.

    Whatever the kid did - he put no American lives at risk other than his own. He has paid for five years for a lapse in judgement. I doubt anyone will see any political gain to be made in pushing this further.

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    Hope it not turns out like the American pro football player, and how that went.

    sorry can't remember his name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Hope it not turns out like the American pro football player, and how that went.

    sorry can't remember his name.
    Pat Tillman, although I fail to see the connection. Tillman was a Ranger first reported as killed in action - it was later proven that he was killed by "friendly fire" and there appeared to have been a cover-up. Not sure what point you're trying to make.

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    As you said earlier there'll just want it to go away quickly, tillman's case got dragged through many courts, and involved politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    As you said earlier there'll just want it to go away quickly, tillman's case got dragged through many courts, and involved politicians.
    I saw something a few days ago where some guy was on TV stating that he thought he was the one who shot Tillman by mistake. Quite sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    he put no American lives at risk other than his own
    That's a bold statement to make, not knowing what he told his captors. Plus, why take a digital camera with him? I'd imagine he had shots on it that would prove his loyalty to his captors. It surely wasn't to keep a pictorial record of his forthcoming 5 years as a prisoner/turncoat.

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    ^He was a fucking Private. I doubt that he had the grand plan for Afghanistan in his journal. I doubt there was one.

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    And Bradley Manning was a Pfc. Conincident that hey? Look at the damage he caused.

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    ^Her name is Chelsea. Get it right. I'm done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Hope it not turns out like the American pro football player, and how that went.

    sorry can't remember his name.
    His name was Pat Tillman.

    I read the bio and book on Tillman by John Kraukuer.

    A very informative, interesting, and intense book.

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    Looks like another media coup for Obama, who gets the credit for releasing five Jihadis in exchange for one Jihadi.

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    Bowe Bergdahl release deal critics focus on father’s bushy beard and utterances in Arabic and Pashtu

    After Robert Bergdahl celebrated the release of his son Bowe in a White House appearance next to Barack Obama, some are suspicious about his invocation of Allah and his past comments criticising US foreign policy.



    President Barack Obama speaks during an appearance in the Rose Garden of the White House, accompanied by Bowe Bergdahl's parents Bob and Jani Bergdahl
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    By Philip Sherwell, New York9:43PM BST 02 Jun 2014

    For Barack Obama, it must have seemed like a politically safe photo opportunity. His administration had just secured the release of America’s only known prisoner of war after years of negotiations and now he had invited the soldier’s parents to join him on the steps of the White House to proclaim the deal.

    The images from the Rose Garden of a smiling president placing his arms supportively around Robert and Jani Bergdahl, whose son Bowe was freed in return for the release of five Taliban leaders in Guantanamo Bay, were broadcast around the world.

    But past comments by Mr Bergdahl condemning US foreign policy - not to mention his bushy Islamic-looking beard, his command of Pashtu and Arabic and his use of an Islamic greeting while standing next to Mr Obama - have now been seized on by conservative critics of the president.

    There was outrage on some social media sites yesterday at what appeared to have been a message that the soldier’s father issued via Twitter, which has since been removed from his account on the micro-blogging site.

    “God will repay the death of every Afghan child, ameen!” the message read, using the Islamic equivalent of Amen. In the same message, he repeated his view that all Guantanamo Bay detainees should be released.


    Fuelling the concerns about Mr Bergdahl’s connections, the Twitter message appears to have been a response to a tweet by a Taliban spokesman.

    Some senior administration officials were said to be “baffled” that aides allowed the president to appear alongside Mr Bergdahl, given his history of controversial statements. They also reportedly were not aware what he would say or that he planned to speak in Pashtu and Arabic as well as English.

    Mr Bergdahl’s appearance and statement at the White House quickly became fodder for critics of the deal to free the Taliban leaders in return for the release of his son after five years in captivity.

    Mr Bergdahl spoke in the Afghan language of Pashtu in comments aimed at his son who reportedly is struggling to remember English. And in Arabic, he also used a standard Islamic phrase meaning “In the name of Allah, the most merciful” as he thanked those involved in reaching the deal.

    He had learned some Pashtu and Arabic to make a video appeal directly to the Taliban for his son’s freedom. He also said that he grew a beard as a personal memorial to his son’s plight, although he has not so far shaved to celebrate his release.
    His appearance and language in the Rose Garden, deploying what some Right-wing websites denounced as an “Islamic victory cry”, were immediately seized upon by critics and fuelled speculation that he had converted to Islam.

    However locals in their home-town of Hailey, Idaho, said the couple were still regular church-goers who had home-schooled their children and made sure they attended Sunday services.

    Barack Obama walks back to the Oval Office with Jani and Bob Bergdahl, after making a statement regarding Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl release from captivity (John Harrington/ EPA)

    Comments directed by Mr Bergdahl at his son during a press conference in Idaho after his return from Washington also prompted questions. “Most of all, I’m proud of how much you wanted to help the Afghan people. And what you were willing to do to go to that length.” Without elaboration, he added: “And I think you have succeeded.” In emails to his parents before he disappeared in 2009, Sgt Bergdahl indicated that he was considering desertion and denounced US operations in Afghanistan, writing in one: “The horror that is America is disgusting”.

    But the Pentagon has previously dismissed as Taliban propaganda claims that Sgt Bergdahl converted to Islam in captivity and was teaching bomb-making techniques to the insurgents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Looks like another media coup for Obama, who gets the credit for releasing five Jihadis in exchange for one Jihadi.
    The correct term is 'mujahedeen', 'the moral equivalent of the founding fathers', and 'brothers in arms of Israel'. What makes me sad is that Russia never aided them during the American occupation of Afghanistan, the body count and educational effect could have been many times higher. Anyway, that wasn't possibly the last we heard of Bergdahl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^

    This is a real political football in the US. People there believe POWs from Vietnam - over 40 years ago - are still being held, despite not one shred of evidence ever having been produced to support the theory.
    They may have believed that 20 or so years ago , when Vietnam was a closed Country , but peoples attitude has clanged with Vietnam opening up and the jails being searched for U.S. Vets and finding nothing .
    Please dont post up a youtube video of some 70 year old American saying "Dose gooks still keeping my brother, one day he'll come home" , it wont prove anything

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    ^Read what I posted, idiot. "Not one shred of evidence..." Fucking moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^Read what I posted, idiot. "Not one shred of evidence..." Fucking moron.
    I am disagreeing with you statement that people in the USA still believe there are U.S Army still being held captive in Vietnam .

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