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    USA : Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Shootings

    Seven Dead, Several Hospitalized in Isla Vista Shootings
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    "Mass Murder Situation"

    Details Emerge on Isla Vista Shootings

    ISLA VISTA, Calif. - Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown revealed new details about Friday night's drive by shootings in Isla Vista during a Saturday morning news conference, including a new death toll and a possible link to an .

    Brown said the initial call came in to dispatch at 9:27 p.m. Friday night as multiple gunshots.

    Deputies in the area found several victims and received information about the suspect and vehicle involved.

    Witnesses described seeing a black BMW speeding through the streets, spraying bullets at people and various targets near El Embarcadero and Segovia Roads and the top of the loop along Del Playa.

    Brown said at 9:33 p.m. the suspect exchanged gunfire with deputies then veered down Del Playa and crashed into a parked car. Deputies found the suspect inside the BMW dead from a gunshot wound to the head. Brown said he did not know if the suspect was shot and killed by deputies or if the wound was self-inflicted.

    The sheriff said a semi automatic handgun was recovered from the scene and believes the suspect acted alone.

    In total, the sheriff confirmed seven people were killed, including the gunman; seven others are hospitalized either with gunshot wounds or traumatic injuries -- one with life-threatening injuries; there are nine separate crime scenes.

    Witnesses described seeing a black BMW speeding through the streets, spraying bullets at people and various targets near El Embarcadero and Segovia Roads and the top of the loop along Del Playa in Isla Vista.



    The time frame between the first 911 call to the discovery of the dead suspect was ten minutes.

    Multiple witnesses say they saw two people inside the suspect's vehicle, however, during the press conference, Sheriff Brown would neither confirm nor deny whether there was a passenger in the car.

    At this time, the sheriff is not releasing the suspect's name, although he has been identified.

    Brown called the suspect "severely mentally disturbed" and said, "This was a premeditated mass murder."

    Word on the street quickly spread about an ominous YouTube video posted by a young man who identified himself as

    The nearly seven minute long rant blasts women who've ignored or rejected him over the past eight years and warns that he will "punish you all for it."

    When questioned about the video during the news conference, Sheriff Brown indicated investigators were familiar with it and are looking into whether Roger was connected with the crime.

    The victims include someone who was shot dead inside the I.V. Delimart on Pardall Road. The market windows are pocked with bullet holes. Another crime scene is marked near the 7-11 convenience store.

    Xavier Mozejewski told NewsChannel 3 reporter Victoria Sanchez that he witnessed some of the violence and described it as an "old western shoot-out."

    Michael Vitak, a student from the Czech Republic, told Sanchez what he witnessed.

    "Guys in a BMW. Maybe they were trying to prove they're tough," Vitak said during a live televised interview. Vitak saw them shooting at two girls; one was shot dead, the other was critically hurt.

    "I heard shots, screams, pain," said Vitak. "All emotions. I hope she is going to be fine," he said.

    Vitak said it was too dark to see the suspects' faces.

    About the same time the drive-by shootings occurred, the California Highway Patrol website logged a hit and run along Del Playa that left someone with major leg and head trauma.

    NewsChannel 3 senior reporter John Palminteri said via phone, "It is a horrible scene out here."

    Palminteri described multiple ambulances, a black BMW that slammed into as many as two cars, and a body covered with a yellow tarp lying in the road on Del Playa. He indicated the deceased may have been shot by a deputy or police officer.

    By 12:15 a.m. Saturday morning, Palminteri updated viewers that he'd seen a total of four body bags.

    One woman identified as Sierra told Sanchez she was approached by two men in a black BMW. The driver flashed a small black handgun and asked '"Hey, what's up?"'

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    R I P the victims.

    After listening to the news there could have been alot more.

    34 - 10 round mags of one pistol and 7 - 10 round mags for another.

    Lucky they got him.

    As for not getting a bird... Well girls can sense a nut job and tend to steer clear.
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    Why is this in World News Forum?

    Mentally impaired kid with known mental health issues and under treatment is allowed to register 3 handguns.......

    Shouldn't it be in the "Told You So" or "Why Are You Surprised" Forum?

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    Yep, the guy has wall to wall shrinks and he can still get his hands on legal firearms.


    His family also knew he was totally unstable so why didn't any of them point this out to the authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore View Post
    Yep, the guy has wall to wall shrinks and he can still get his hands on legal firearms.


    His family also knew he was totally unstable so why didn't any of them point this out to the authorities.
    His Mother did phone the Police after viewing his You Tube video posts.
    Four Marshalls the did visit him after his Mothers phone call.
    That was the third and last encounter he had had with the Police, until the shoot out.

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    Some well made points here, I think.

    Elliot Rodger's California shooting spree: further proof that misogyny kills | Comment is free | theguardian.com


    Elliot Rodger's California shooting spree: further proof that misogyny kills
    Attributing the deaths of six people and wounding of several others in Isla Vista to 'a madman' ignores a stark truth about our society

    We should know this by now, but it bears repeating: misogyny kills.

    On Friday night, a man – identified by police as Elliot Rodgers – allegedly seeking "retribution" against women whom he said sexually rejected him went on a killing spree in Isla Vista, California, killing six people and sending seven more to the hospital with serious gunshot injuries. Three of the bodies were reportedly removed from Rodger's apartment.

    Before the mass murder he allegedly committed, 22-year-old Rodger – also said to have been killed Friday night – made several YouTube videos complaining that he was a virgin and that beautiful women wouldn't pay attention to him. In one, he calmly outlined how he would "slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see".

    According to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

    It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill – who are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it – but glosses over the role that misogyny and gun culture play (and just how foreseeable violence like this is) in a sexist society. After all, while it is unclear what role Rodger's reportedly poor mental health played in the alleged crime, the role of misogyny is obvious.

    In his final video, Rodger opined:

    College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure, but in those years I've had to rot in loneliness, it's not fair … I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me but I will punish you all for it.

    Rodger, like most young American men, was taught that he was entitled to sex and female attention. (Only last month, a young woman was allegedly stabbed to death for rejecting a different young man's prom invitation.) He believed this so fully that he described women's apathy toward him as an "injustice" and a "crime".

    You forced me to suffer all my life, now I will make you all suffer. I waited a long time for this. I'll give you exactly what you deserve, all of you. All you girls who rejected me, looked down upon me, you know, treated me like scum while you gave yourselves to other men.

    Rodger was reportedly involved with the online men's rights movement: allegedly active on one forum and said to have been following several men's rights channels on YouTube. The language Rodger used in his videos against women – like referring to himself as an "alpha male" – is common rhetoric in such circles.

    These communities are so virulently misogynist that the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that tracks hate groups, has been watching their movements for years.

    Yet, as the artist Molly Crabapple pointed out on Twitter: "White terrorism is always blamed on guns, mental health – never poisonous ideology."

    If we need to talk about this tragic shooting in terms of illness, though, let's start with talking about our cultural sickness – a sickness that refuses to see misogyny as anything other than inevitable.

    It was reported on Saturday that Rodger's family had contacted the police about his violent and strange videos "weeks" before the shooting The family attorney said that police interviewed Rodger and thought he was a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human".

    I have to wonder how much police dismissed Rodger's video rants because of the expectation that violent misogyny in young men is normal and expected.

    "Dismissing violent misogynists as 'crazy' is a neat way of saying that violent misogyny is an individual problem, not a cultural one," feminist blogger Melissa McEwan tweeted.

    The truth is that there is no such thing as a lone misogynist – they are created by our culture, and by communities that tells them that their hatred is both commonplace and justified.

    So when we say that these things are unstoppable, what we are really saying is that we're unwilling to do the work to stop them. Violence against women does not have to be inevitable, but it is almost always foreseeable: what matters is what we do about it.

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    Here we go again.
    Young Men are to blame, they want to have sex, then when a girl does have sex with them they call her a slut, whore etc.
    So a girl does not have sex, as she is trying to be a good girl.
    Arseholes , nothing changes, same same bollocks Male verse Female crap I had as a teenager decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Why is this in World News Forum?

    Mentally impaired kid with known mental health issues and under treatment is allowed to register 3 handguns.......
    Indeed, what could possibly go wrong?

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    More guns for Americans.

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    If the USA had a commercial sex industry as vibrant as Thailand's it might take the edge off of these frustrated young white boys who go shooting sprees. Sure, guys like Elliot Rodger are sick f*cks who need a lot more than hookers. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like any of these young white boys who go on killing sprees ever get laid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo View Post
    If the USA had a commercial sex industry as vibrant as Thailand's it might take the edge off of these frustrated young white boys who go shooting sprees. Sure, guys like Elliot Rodger are sick f*cks who need a lot more than hookers. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like any of these young white boys who go on killing sprees ever get laid.
    The USA does indeed have a very extensive commercial sex industry. Prostitution is legal in many counties of Nevada and there are approx. 20 brothels that are licensed accordingly. He was a 400 miles away from legal fornication for hire. Failing that he could have perused his local Craig's List and found someone who could dress up as a sorority girl for a fee, or he could have taken a drive through any of the redlight areas which were nearby and has his choice of low cost crack whores, or the aging Issan types as seen in Hua Hin, or something a bit more fresh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smug Farang Bore View Post
    Yep, the guy has wall to wall shrinks and he can still get his hands on legal firearms.
    His family also knew he was totally unstable so why didn't any of them point this out to the authorities.
    The legal issue is that unless one is detained under a psychiatric order, or has had a judgement or other type of court order entered against oneself, one has a clean slate. Background checks were apparently run on the accused when he purchased the gun, and he came up clean. How would anyone know the guy was a nutter unless his medical records were public?

    The family did point out his condition to the police and as stated above the welfare check the police undertook was done at the request of the family. If someone is behaving normally when interviewed by the police, there isn't much the police can do. Making the matters worse is that the Sheriff deputies who interviewed the accused were reportedly trained for such questioning.

    The issue runs far deeper than the accused's access to a handgun. Unfortunately responsible gun control is a taboo subject for many Americans. Maybe one day they'll get it. It seems to work ok in Switzerland, Canada etc. where there is a high percentage of the population who own firearms, yet somehow manage to avoid going on shooting sprees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi
    nothing changes, same same bollocks Male verse Female crap I had as a teenager decades ago.
    male vs female? not much success in the dating stakes then?

    Quote Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
    But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like any of these young white boys who go on killing sprees ever get laid.
    probably not just the young, white boys among them that have that problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1
    It seems to work ok in Switzerland, Canada etc. where there is a high percentage of the population who own firearms, yet somehow manage to avoid going on shooting sprees.
    This episode, like the guy who went beserk at the showing of the batman film, seems to show a coalescence between real life and screen violence.

    I mean that whole you tube video he shot looks like a bad movie, and his father worked in the film industry...

    A lot of gun owners in Switzerland have a a firearm as a leftover from their national service. One weapon.
    This guy had, what, four firearms and a load of rounds which he had bought legally despite having a history of mental illness.
    So quite different from the profile of a Swiss gun owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1
    It seems to work ok in Switzerland, Canada etc. where there is a high percentage of the population who own firearms, yet somehow manage to avoid going on shooting sprees.
    Canada has had one notable shooting spree in Montreal where a guy (Marc Lepine) also felt highly pissed off at women, so he went to a technical college where there were lots of smart and successful young ones and shot about 14 of them. Thirst for revenge is a powerful force. He used a cheap 22 cal rifle.....nothing macho or dramatic like his American brethren prefer when doing a shooting spree.

    The event resulted in a major tightening up in gun regulations, which did nothing but cause inconvenience to millions of legitimate gun owners. The thugs, druggies and nut cases still managed to get all the guns they wanted and there was no significant effect on the overall homicide rate that could be attributed to the revised gun laws although there are some who would try to convince themselves otherwise.



    There have been a few other shooting sprees over the years since that incident, but on a much smaller scale than the one in Montreal...
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Some well made points here, I think.

    Elliot Rodger's California shooting spree: further proof that misogyny kills | Comment is free | theguardian.com


    Elliot Rodger's California shooting spree: further proof that misogyny kills
    Attributing the deaths of six people and wounding of several others in Isla Vista to 'a madman' ignores a stark truth about our society

    We should know this by now, but it bears repeating: misogyny kills.

    On Friday night, a man – identified by police as Elliot Rodgers – allegedly seeking "retribution" against women whom he said sexually rejected him went on a killing spree in Isla Vista, California, killing six people and sending seven more to the hospital with serious gunshot injuries. Three of the bodies were reportedly removed from Rodger's apartment.

    Before the mass murder he allegedly committed, 22-year-old Rodger – also said to have been killed Friday night – made several YouTube videos complaining that he was a virgin and that beautiful women wouldn't pay attention to him. In one, he calmly outlined how he would "slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see".

    According to his family, Rodger was seeking psychiatric treatment. But to dismiss this as a case of a lone "madman" would be a mistake.

    It not only stigmatizes the mentally ill – who are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it – but glosses over the role that misogyny and gun culture play (and just how foreseeable violence like this is) in a sexist society. After all, while it is unclear what role Rodger's reportedly poor mental health played in the alleged crime, the role of misogyny is obvious.

    In his final video, Rodger opined:

    College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure, but in those years I've had to rot in loneliness, it's not fair … I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me but I will punish you all for it.

    Rodger, like most young American men, was taught that he was entitled to sex and female attention. (Only last month, a young woman was allegedly stabbed to death for rejecting a different young man's prom invitation.) He believed this so fully that he described women's apathy toward him as an "injustice" and a "crime".

    You forced me to suffer all my life, now I will make you all suffer. I waited a long time for this. I'll give you exactly what you deserve, all of you. All you girls who rejected me, looked down upon me, you know, treated me like scum while you gave yourselves to other men.

    Rodger was reportedly involved with the online men's rights movement: allegedly active on one forum and said to have been following several men's rights channels on YouTube. The language Rodger used in his videos against women – like referring to himself as an "alpha male" – is common rhetoric in such circles.

    These communities are so virulently misogynist that the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that tracks hate groups, has been watching their movements for years.

    Yet, as the artist Molly Crabapple pointed out on Twitter: "White terrorism is always blamed on guns, mental health – never poisonous ideology."

    If we need to talk about this tragic shooting in terms of illness, though, let's start with talking about our cultural sickness – a sickness that refuses to see misogyny as anything other than inevitable.

    It was reported on Saturday that Rodger's family had contacted the police about his violent and strange videos "weeks" before the shooting The family attorney said that police interviewed Rodger and thought he was a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human".

    I have to wonder how much police dismissed Rodger's video rants because of the expectation that violent misogyny in young men is normal and expected.

    "Dismissing violent misogynists as 'crazy' is a neat way of saying that violent misogyny is an individual problem, not a cultural one," feminist blogger Melissa McEwan tweeted.

    The truth is that there is no such thing as a lone misogynist – they are created by our culture, and by communities that tells them that their hatred is both commonplace and justified.

    So when we say that these things are unstoppable, what we are really saying is that we're unwilling to do the work to stop them. Violence against women does not have to be inevitable, but it is almost always foreseeable: what matters is what we do about it.
    What a load of drivel.
    In the end he was just a wierdo, we've all known them, he should never have been able to acquire guns.

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    [QUOTE=cyrille;2784247This guy had, what, four firearms and a load of rounds which he had bought legally despite having a history of mental illness.
    So quite different from the profile of a Swiss gun owner.[/QUOTE]

    So what if he had a history of mental illness? How would anyone have known that? He wasn't detained for mental illness and there was no record of the mental illness outside of the accused's health care providers. It's easy to say he was mentally ill, but mental illness is a common affliction worldwide. The Swiss mental illness rates are actually higher than the USA. According to WHO, 27% of the Swiss adult population (here defined as aged 18–65) had experienced at least one of a series of mental disorders in the past year (this included problems arising from substance use, psychoses, depression, anxiety, and eating disorders).

    The US NIMH posts its estimates of mental illness for the US adult population and its overall rate is 18.2%. 9.1% of the US population have personality disorders. 4.1% of the population having serious mental illness. That's an awful lot of people walking around as most are not institutionalized and many are not properly treated.

    And if you don't like the Swiss example, how about Finland where gun ownership rates are high and mental illness, particularly personality disorders are considered to be a health crisis? Austria and Canada have fairly high multiple gun ownership levels too and they have a rate of mental illness no better than the USA.

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    If the USA had a commercial sex industry as vibrant as Thailand's it might take the edge off of these frustrated young white boys who go shooting sprees. Sure, guys like Elliot Rodger are sick f*cks who need a lot more than hookers. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like any of these young white boys who go on killing sprees ever get laid.
    The USA does indeed have a very extensive commercial sex industry. Prostitution is legal in many counties of Nevada and there are approx. 20 brothels that are licensed accordingly. He was a 400 miles away from legal fornication for hire. Failing that he could have perused his local Craig's List and found someone who could dress up as a sorority girl for a fee, or he could have taken a drive through any of the redlight areas which were nearby and has his choice of low cost crack whores, or the aging Issan types as seen in Hua Hin, or something a bit more fresh.
    Sounds great. I'm sure that the world's sex tourists are lined up to visit the USA for all of that awesome commercial sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zygote1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo View Post
    If the USA had a commercial sex industry as vibrant as Thailand's it might take the edge off of these frustrated young white boys who go shooting sprees. Sure, guys like Elliot Rodger are sick f*cks who need a lot more than hookers. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like any of these young white boys who go on killing sprees ever get laid.
    The USA does indeed have a very extensive commercial sex industry. Prostitution is legal in many counties of Nevada and there are approx. 20 brothels that are licensed accordingly. He was a 400 miles away from legal fornication for hire. Failing that he could have perused his local Craig's List and found someone who could dress up as a sorority girl for a fee, or he could have taken a drive through any of the redlight areas which were nearby and has his choice of low cost crack whores, or the aging Issan types as seen in Hua Hin, or something a bit more fresh.
    Thanks for the fine sample of seppo logic. There are 3,007 counties in the US, and a total of eight of them feature legal prostitution. That's "very extensive" indeed. At least he didn't tell that guns prevent gun crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
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    If the USA had a commercial sex industry as vibrant as Thailand's it might take the edge off of these frustrated young white boys who go shooting sprees. Sure, guys like Elliot Rodger are sick f*cks who need a lot more than hookers. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like any of these young white boys who go on killing sprees ever get laid.
    The USA does indeed have a very extensive commercial sex industry. Prostitution is legal in many counties of Nevada and there are approx. 20 brothels that are licensed accordingly. He was a 400 miles away from legal fornication for hire. Failing that he could have perused his local Craig's List and found someone who could dress up as a sorority girl for a fee, or he could have taken a drive through any of the redlight areas which were nearby and has his choice of low cost crack whores, or the aging Issan types as seen in Hua Hin, or something a bit more fresh.
    Thanks for the fine sample of seppo logic. There are 3,007 counties in the US, and a total of eight of them feature legal prostitution. That's "very extensive" indeed. At least he didn't tell that guns prevent gun crimes.
    In my state, many street hookers are undercover police. If you're busted, your car is seized during arrest (with impound fees and criminal fines, you might not get it back). Not much similarity to a stroll through Nana Plaza. America is a petri dish for mental illness. It's also a country that's armed to the teeth and has limited sexual outlets. This is not a good mix.
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    Joe the Plumber: Your dead kids don’t trump my constitutional rights

    A US conservative activist has written an open letter to the families of mass killer Elliot Rodger’s victims, arguing the deaths of innocent people “don’t trump” his constitutional rights.

    Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known by the nickname “Joe the Plumber”, said his letter is directed “only to the families of the gunshot victims in Santa Barbara” and not the families of three others who were stabbed before the shooting spree.




    Rodger, 22, killed seven people, including himself, and wounded 13 others when he went on a killing spree in Isla Vista, California, on Friday.
    But the bloodbath wasn’t enough to convince conservatives like Wurzelbacher that America has a problematic gun culture, where the issue of the right to bear arms is hotly contested.
    “I am sorry you lost your child. I myself have a son and daughter and the one thing I never want to go through, is what you are going through now. But: As harsh as this sounds — your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights,” Wurzelbacher wrote.

    Wurzelbacher acknowledged his comments are “harsh” but claimed pro-gun control activists “don’t care about your family or your dead children at all.”
    “They sound like they do, whereas I sound uncaring and like I say, harsh,” Wurzelbacher wrote. “Don’t be fooled — I care about your family and mine. The future of our very liberty lies in the balance of this fight.”

    Wurzelbacher’s letter was published on Barbwire on Monday, just days after one victim’s father blamed “craven, irresponsible politicians” and the National Rifle Association for his son’s death.
    Wurzelbacher said the words of Richard Martinez, whose son Christopher Martinez was a victim in Friday’s incident, “will be exploited by gun-grab extremists as are all tragedies involving gun violence and the mentally ill by the anti-Second Amendment Left.”
    The 39-year-old told Martinez to “back off.”

    Joe the Plumber: Your dead kids don’t trump my constitutional rights | News.com.au

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