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    Sudan judge orders pregnant Christian 'apostate' to hang

    A Sudanese judge has sentenced a heavily pregnant Christian woman to hang for apostasy, a ruling that Britain denounced as 'barbaric' and left the US 'deeply disturbed'.

    Meriam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag, 27, is married to a Christian and is eight months pregnant, human rights activists say.

    Born to a Muslim father, she was convicted on Thursday under the Islamic sharia law that has been in force in Sudan since 1983 and outlaws conversions of faith on pain of death.

    'We gave you three days to recant, but you insist on not returning to Islam. I sentence you to be hanged,' Judge Abbas Mohammed Al-Khalifa told the woman, addressing her by her father's Muslim name, Adraf Al-Hadi Mohammed Abdullah.

    Khalifa also sentenced Ishag to 100 lashes for 'adultery'. Under Sudan's interpretation of sharia, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man and any such relationship is regarded as adulterous.

    In Washington, the State Department said the US was 'deeply disturbed' by the sentence and urged Sudan to protect freedom of religion.

    'We strongly condemn this sentence and urge the government of Sudan to meet its obligations under international human rights law,' National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden added in a statement.

    She noted that freedom of religion is a right enshrined in Sudan's 2005 constitution.

    Britain's Minister for Africa, Mark Simmonds, said he was 'truly appalled'.

    'This barbaric sentence highlights the stark divide between the practices of the Sudanese courts and the country's international human rights obligations,' he said.

    Ishag, dressed in traditional Sudanese robes with her head covered, reacted without emotion when the verdict was read out at a court in the Khartoum district of Haj Yousef, where many Christians live.

    Earlier in the hearing, an Islamic religious leader spoke with her in the caged dock for about 30 minutes, trying to convince her to change her mind.

    But she calmly told the judge: 'I am a Christian and I never committed apostasy.'

    Sudan has an Islamist government but, other than floggings, extreme sharia law punishments have been rare.

    'The fact that a woman has been sentenced to death for her religious choice, and to flogging for being married to a man of an allegedly different religion, is appalling and abhorrent,' said Amnesty International's Sudan researcher, Manar Idriss.

    If the death sentence is carried out, Ishag will be the first person executed for apostasy under the 1991 penal code, said Christian Solidarity Worldwide, a British-based campaign group.

    One of Ishag's lawyers, Mohanad Mustafa, told AFP that they would take the case all the way to Sudan's top Constitutional Court if necessary to get the verdict overturned.

    The criminal code prohibition against apostasy violates the constitution, he said.

    Amnesty said Ishag was raised as an Orthodox Christian, her mother's religion, because her Muslim father was absent.

    - See more at: Sudan judge orders 'apostate' to hang

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    Speaks for itself really... Poor woman, far braver than the cowards that sentenced her...

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    That'll teach her

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    More lunacy from people who believe in fairytales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    More lunacy from people who believe in fairytales.
    This is a good point. People who believe in fairytales (usually because it empowers them) have decided to murder a woman and her baby for no reason other than she doesn't believe in the exact same fairytale... This is just like the witch hunts (witches are still put to death in Saudi every year...) and the Catholic controlled purges (mass murders) of the middle ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post

    Khalifa also sentenced Ishag to 100 lashes for 'adultery'.
    In the name of Allah, the compassionate and merciful.

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    Britain's Minister for Africa, Mark Simmonds, said he was 'truly appalled'.
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    ............. and immediately authorised a further 15 million pounds in aid to the impoverished nation.

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    sound like the Christian fundamentalists that populate the US,

    they have killed people for less,

    usually skin colors, sexual practices or even sexual orientation is enough to get you killed by those Christians nutters in the US, without even the farce of a trial.

    At least there they tried to pretend to have a trial and publish the judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    More lunacy from people who believe in fairytales.
    This is a good point. People who believe in fairytales (usually because it empowers them) have decided to murder a woman and her baby for no reason other than she doesn't believe in the exact same fairytale... This is just like the witch hunts (witches are still put to death in Saudi every year...) and the Catholic controlled purges (mass murders) of the middle ages.
    First, snivelling Western leaders will fall over themselves to have the sentence overturned or at least commuted, which is little consolation but in our mad world going proudly madder can still be marketed as a triumph of diplomacy over the dysfunctional ideology. Such 'victory' will likely take the form of jizya camouflaged as a hefty dose of extra unaccountable 'humanitarian' aid and other concessions.

    Next, in the worst case scenario, that our spineless leaders do not own enough money to buy this hostage's life and aren't prepared to lick the ground, Allah's compassionate and merciful lieutenants may not take the child's life on account of its mother's apostasy. So if the woman is hanged, which is unlikely, it will be after she has given birth and also had the chance to wean her child for a few months. This assumes that the fetus survives the inhuman conditions of a Sudanese jail.

    Apostasy is a 'haad' offence in Sharia, which regards complicity as clear cut; either something is or it isnít. In this case it is. She was born a Muslim and now claims to be a non-Muslim. And she is also guilty of adultery because as a Muslim woman, which she is even though she claims otherwise, any non-Muslim that wants to marry her must first convert to Islam. Former infidels might care to come out of the TD shadows and confirm that easily seduced infidel Westerners who are desperate to own and beat up women, must first convert to Islam.

    Haad penalties are set by both the Koran and the example of Mohamed, so the sentencing judge has no discretion in the matter and in this instance must opt for death. Also, all sentences must be carried out, since Allah decrees that nobody escape their just dues. For example, if this Christian is hanged, she must first be lashed for the adultery offence, and then given time to recover so that she is conscious of her execution. If she were sentenced to lashing, amputation, a prison term and execution for a string of offences, she would be executed only after serving her full prison term during which she would be subjected to the lash and amputation.

    Other 'haad', or exemplary offences include pre-marital sex, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and banditry. Although full blown adultery by women merits death, minor sexual indiscretions by women such as being in the company of a non-related male are worth a flog, and theft as even liberals know is punished by severing the hand.


    But my guess is that this unpleasant episode is a cultural quirk and has nothing to do with Islam, otherwise our resident scum will come out of the woodwork to trash this thread into the TDH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo
    a cultural quirk
    How about we wipe out that culture.

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    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Absolutely, I'm sure the people are fine, it's the sick religious culture they practice that revolts me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me
    To late

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Absolutely, I'm sure the people are fine, it's the sick religious culture they practice that revolts me.

    Culturists......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai View Post
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    Khalifa also sentenced Ishag to 100 lashes for 'adultery'.
    In the name of Allah, the compassionate and merciful.
    Allah Akhbar.

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    What I don't get is the apologists like willy, it's pretty obvious this is a backward barbaric religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Absolutely, I'm sure the people are fine, it's the sick religious culture they practice that revolts me.

    Culturists......
    Whatever happened to that thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Absolutely, I'm sure the people are fine, it's the sick religious culture they practice that revolts me.

    Culturists......
    Whatever happened to that thread?

    It's still there.
    The apologists take their stance on the basis that not all islams are the same. That somewhere there exists a moderate islamic culture that doesn't take the Koran literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Not an accusation, but you are clinging to the mindset of a 'civilised' person over the survival of your way of life and that of your future generations. At least you believe something should be done, which is a rung above the career haters that wish us to fail and in the most horrible way. But Islam won't thank you for being 'nice'.

    Islam is and always has been an expansionist ideology. The two milestones in its history when it had to retreat were when its aggression was confronted by superior and more efficient forces which crucially were prepared to use impolite tactics.

    The First Jihad reached well into France before it was repelled, while the Second Jihad reached for the heart of Christian Europe and managed to face off at the gates of Vienna. From its inception to and through and since these events, the nature of Islam has always been to expand by probing, conquering and either destroying or swallowing other peoples and faiths and cultures. It did not do this by being 'nice', but through wholesale slaughter.

    The Third Jihad, which we are witnessing, is everywhere all at once, by fifth column stealth, direct confrontation, and fueled and emboldened by our irrational tolerance, 'civilised' values and rules of conduct.

    Western liberal democracy is no match for the dysfunctional ideology. Sure we could destroy its breeding grounds with a few button clicks, but neither our leaders nor we have the will, courage or stomach for religious bloodshed on an apocalyptic scale. Meanwhile, from day one, Islam has never shirked from genocide.

    Expect the usual from the usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Absolutely, I'm sure the people are fine, it's the sick religious culture they practice that revolts me.
    Yes, it's the religion and culture that need to be eradicated, not necessarily the people. But whichever generation sets out to do the honours, must also be prepared to get real dirty.

    Right now I'd be delighted if spineless and clueless Western leaders grew a pair between them big enough to stop denying that Islam is a threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo
    The usual from the usual.
    Isn't it just. More repeats than Dave TV on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo
    I'd be delighted if spineless and clueless Western leaders grew a pair
    But until then, you'll lead the charge by restricting yourself to anonymous posts on an obscure forum read by approximately nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Not an accusation, but you are clinging to the mindset of a 'civilised' person over the survival of your way of life and that of your future generations. At least you believe something should be done, which is a rung above the career haters that wish us to fail and in the most horrible way. But Islam won't thank you for being 'nice'.

    Islam is and always has been an expansionist ideology. The two milestones in its history when it had to retreat were when its aggression was confronted by superior and more efficient forces which crucially were prepared to use impolite tactics.

    The First Jihad reached well into France before it was repelled, while the Second Jihad reached for the heart of Christian Europe and managed to face off at the gates of Vienna. From its inception to and through and since these events, the nature of Islam has always been to expand by probing, conquering and either destroying or swallowing other peoples and faiths and cultures. It did not do this by being 'nice', but through wholesale slaughter.

    The Third Jihad, which we are witnessing, is everywhere all at once, by fifth column stealth, direct confrontation, and fueled and emboldened by our irrational tolerance, 'civilised' values and rules of conduct.

    Western liberal democracy is no match for the dysfunctional ideology. Sure we could destroy its breeding grounds with a few button clicks, but neither our leaders nor we have the will, courage or stomach for religious bloodshed on an apocalyptic scale. Meanwhile, from day one, Islam has never shirked from genocide.

    Expect the usual from the usual.
    You're drawing a pretty long bow to assume that the expansion of the middle Ottoman Empire was driven by the desire to extend the reach of Islam.
    Like in Spain before the Moors where driven out, forced conversion was not a general practice. Christians and Jews while heavily taxed were tolerated and allowed a degree of self rule int he Empire.
    All rulers at the time were ordained by god and all their wars had by necessity the backing of their church. The wars at the time were the same as all wars, about money and territory. The first true "Jihad" as such was Urban's Crusade.
    Using the medieval period for Islam bashing is generally not a profitable endevour. At the same time that thriving orthodox christian and jewish communities existed in islamic lands, the Castillians, having united Spain first forced conversion on the remaining moors, then finally expelled them all, including those who had converted.
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    her father, a mussie, married a Christian lady and when she was born,, he fooked off.
    Mother being a Christian brought daughter up as a Christian.
    She met a Christian man and got married.
    She is now 8 months pregers.
    Law states the baby is innocent so allowed to give birth.
    Law also states she has to breast feed baby for 2 yrs.
    So loads o time to appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I don't know that we have the right to wipe it out, but I certainly do NOT want that culture moving into mine with their cultural values forced upon me; not a single one of them (and when I say forced upon, I mean living in my culture with their values that do not fit my culture - the reason being that their culture demands that they change my culture to be like theirs)...
    Absolutely, I'm sure the people are fine, it's the sick religious culture they practice that revolts me.
    Well then, Koojo, how about you address the items you refer to as shit? If you can't read it, as the rest of your snivelling red comment claims, surely someone of your celebrity stature can have someone read it for you.

    Point by point would be nice, if you have half a ball. Of course you can do you usual and head for the hills, preferably after a mass deletion of whatever doesn't suit your weak minded sensitivities.

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