Thread: SNP want to keep the £ and independence.

I think all the "Yes" voters should fuck off back to Ireland to be honest.

they'd have to learn to buy a drink when it's their round
instead of nipping out to the bog.

Scots are without doubt distinctly culturally different from their English neighbors. Whilst ideally, they’d make a great nation, it probably makes sense economically at the moment for them to remain with the Union. Both sides of Hadrian’s Wall need each other.

Once in a lifetime deal.

g'awa n dinna spick pish

I told you Salmond is a fkin liar.

'Entirely possible' Scotland won't share pound after independence, Alex Salmond's top economist admits

One of Alex Salmond's most senior economic advisers has admitted it is "entirely possible" a currency union would not be agreed after independence.
Crawford Beveridge, chair of the First Minister's Fiscal Commission Working Group, said that political decisions could mean Scotland will be unable to share the pound after a Yes vote.

'Entirely possible' Scotland won't share pound after independence, Alex Salmond's top economist admits - Telegraph

Scottish independence could lead to "capital flight" as savers rush to move their money out of the country, the chairman of HSBC has warned.

Douglas Flint, head of Europe's biggest bank, said that such a move, brought about by uncertainty over an independent Scotland's currency, would leave the country in a "parlous financial state".

The HSBC chief's remarks come just weeks after another bank, UBS, warned that Scottish independence could trigger a rapid withdrawal of savings.

UBS economists said in a research note: “It probably does not matter that the Bank of England will act as lender of last resort during the transition period - history has shown that small depositors will queue to withdraw their money from a bank even when those deposits are fully guaranteed.”

Mark Carney has said that Bank of England officials have drawn up plans in response to fears of "capital flight" from Scotland.

Speaking earlier this month, the Bank governor acknowledged that "uncertainty about the currency arrangements could raise financial stability issues”.

Independent Scotland Could Fall Into 'Parlous' Financial State, Warns HSBC Boss

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I told you Salmond is a fkin liar.

Of course he is but his lies are not a patch on Cameron, the British Media and the better together campaign's constant bullshit, scaremongering blackmailing lies.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

it is "entirely possible"

Fucking hell Harry, it is "entirely possible", down with that lying sack of shit! Entirely possible absolutely definitely maybe a sure fire chance that it could actually happen.

England would be cutting off their cock to spite their balls if that happened but the truth is that Scots don't give a flying fuck what units of currency their pay packet holds as long as it's not being used to subsidize England.

Scotland represents just 8.3% of the UK population. Remember that number 8.3%

We have the following share of UK resources -

- 32% Land area
- 61% Sea area
- 90% Surface fresh water
- 65% North Sea natural gas production
- 96.5% North Sea crude oil production
- 47% Open cast coal production
- 81% Coal reserves at sites not yet in production
- 62% Timber production (green tonnes)
- 46% Total forest area (hectares)
- 92% Hydro electric production
- 40% Wind, wave, solar production
- 60% Fish Landings (total by Scottish vessels)
- 55% Fish Landings (total from Scottish waters)
- 30% Beef herd (breeding stock)
- 20% Sheep herd (breeding flock)
- 9% Dairy herd
- 10% Pig herd
- 15% Cereal holdings (hectares)
- 20% potato holdings (hectares)

All with 8.3% of the population! There are very few countries in the WORLD that rival Scotland's resources per head and in such rich diversity. We absolutely, unequivocally can be an extremely successful independent country.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

We absolutely, unequivocally can be an extremely successful independent country.

Good for Scotland, so why aren't the 'Jockanese' all clambering for independence?

Because of the BBC and british media's scaremongering and lies.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Because of the BBC and british media's scaremongering and lies.

How do you know it's all lies? Surely only hindsight will tell?

There's a difference between lies and false promises.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I told you Salmond is a fkin liar.

Of course he is but his lies are not a patch on Cameron, the British Media and the better together campaign's constant bullshit, scaremongering blackmailing lies.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

it is "entirely possible"

Fucking hell Harry, it is "entirely possible", down with that lying sack of shit! Entirely possible absolutely definitely maybe a sure fire chance that it could actually happen.

England would be cutting off their cock to spite their balls if that happened but the truth is that Scots don't give a flying fuck what units of currency their pay packet holds as long as it's not being used to subsidize England.

Actually they do, which is why Sleazy Salmond lost the first debate.

The "Yes" camp don't, they don't give much of a fuck what currency they get because they are so desperate to be independent like Slovenia that they are blind to the true consequences.

Same goes for the electricity issues I highlighted above.

The Scottish National Party are hiding the truth, and hopefully Darling will be raising that issue at the next debate. (Added: Which is tomorrow night).

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

There's a difference between lies and false promises.

That reminds me of a story I heard when Rhodesia was just getting ready for Independence. Many blacks started taking driving lessons in the belief they would all become rich and have cars. May be the Scots have similar beliefs?

A Zimbabwe joke before I finish. Boy turns to his father and says "What did we use before candles father?". Father replies "Electricity son, electricity."

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

SNP want to keep the £ and independence.

Not much chance of keeping the Pound. Fingers crossed on my part in that there is a 'Yes' vote.

Would an independent Scotland keep the pound?

Alex Salmond was "pilloried" for the assumption - stated in the White Paper - that Scotland will be allowed to keep sterling. Salmond says David Cameron would be "in breach of undertakings to the Scottish people" if he refuses to allow an independent Scotland to join a sterling currency union, the Guardian reports. But the Chancellor, George Osborne, has made it clear that it is "highly unlikely" that Scotland will be allowed to keep using the currency after independence. Former prime minister Gordon Brown has also said that Scotland "could not force the UK into a currency union against its will".
What about the euro?

The currency issue is further complicated by the desire for a newly independent Scotland to join the EU, but opt out of the Euro. Salmond says there's "no prospect" of Scotland joining the Euro, but experts believe it may be forced to use the European currency. Professor Jo Murkens, an expert on Scottish independence and European constitutional law, told the Scottish Express: "Every new applicant state has to commit themselves in law to adopting the euro. There have been no opt-outs. It is a condition of membership."

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Why on earth would the rest of the UK allow an independent Scotland to keep the pound?

Salmond doesn't seem to have even factored that question in.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Why on earth would the rest of the UK allow an independent Scotland to keep the pound?

So that we honour our share of the national debt, perhaps?

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Originally Posted by cyrille

Why on earth would the rest of the UK allow an independent Scotland to keep the pound?

So that we honour our share of the national debt, perhaps?

With what?

You'll need that money to pay your leccy bills.

The North Sea wind will cover that soon enough.

Scotland is probably the furthest advanced in the world for renewable energy.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

The North Sea wind will cover that soon enough.

Scotland is probably the furthest advanced in the world for renewable energy.

The development of which is heavily subsidised by.......

Answers on a postcard to:

I don't give a fuck what bullshit I come out with as long as people vote Yes.
Scottish Parliament
Dreamland

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The development of which is heavily subsidised by.......

The oil companies who will profit from it.

How can rest of UK subsidise anything in Scotland if Scotland is subsidising the rest of UK?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Scottish Parliament
Dreamland

Scotland already has a parliament.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The development of which is heavily subsidised by.......

The oil companies who will profit from it.

How can rest of UK subsidise anything in Scotland if Scotland is subsidising the rest of UK?

Who told you that bollocks?

The UK spends one third of its renewables subsidies in Scotland. That isn't going to happen after a Yes vote.

Then try selling your expensive renewable energy when we can get it cheaper from Europe.

So there are two likely outcomes:

(1) Scottish consumers pay more for electricity.
(2) Scotland either borrows huge amounts of money to try and develop more (and cheaper) renewable energy, cuts public spending or raises taxes.

And don't be getting too excited about the oil, as others have pointed out production is on the decline and there is the small matter of funding the cleanup afterwards which Sleazy Salmond doesn't like to talk about.

It is these realities that have the No vote winning.

Be interesting to see what Sleazy has to say tonight if it's brought up at all.

He's so desperate to be El Presidente of the Scottish Republic he doesn't really care how much he has to borrow (and at what rate), no matter what tinpot currency he has to print.

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

So that we honour our share of the national debt, perhaps?

We'll accept Euro's.