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    US Federal Judge Rules NSA Phone Surveillance Is Legal

    December 27, 2013 (AP)

    Despite a recent ruling that it might be unconstitutional, a US judge ruled on Friday that the NSA’s telephone surveillance program is in fact legal and does not violate the 4th Amendment. Legality is “ultimately a question of reasonableness,” said U.S. District Judge William Pauley.

    Pauley did admit, however, that the NSA bulk telephony metadata program “vacuums up information about virtually every telephone call to, from, or within the United States.” No big deal, though, because he says that there’s no evidence that the NSA is actually using this data. He added that the program “represents the government’s counter-punch” to Al Qaeda’s terrorist network. Justice Department spokesman Peter Carr said simply, “We are pleased with the decision.” The American Civil Liberties Union, who filed the original suit against the NSA, is most definitely not pleased.

    NY Judge Rules NSA Phone Surveillance Is Legal - ABC News
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    Since the NSA surveillance has not resulted in a single terrorist being caught.

    Sorta like that other huge invasion of privacy - Homeland Security. Government survellience keeps us safe and if we have nothing to hide, what's the problem?

    It's all about control...

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    Fukkin Seppo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgen View Post
    Fukkin Seppo's.
    No, it's not the fault of the 'fukkin seppos' but the Obama Administration and the Democrats in general. This was a Clinton appointed Judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    the NSA bulk telephony metadata program “vacuums up information about virtually every telephone call to, from, or within the United States.” No big deal, though, because he says that there’s no evidence that the NSA is actually using this data
    And stores it, for future use if required.
    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    the program “represents the government’s counter-punch” to Al Qaeda’s terrorist network
    I'm sure AQ has been dealt a major blow by the NSA spying on Nato & the EU from within, and ordinary US citizens, without a warrant. I'm sure they are quaking in their boots at those incarceration centres built in the US by the DoHS, to incarcerate US citizens in the event of civil unrest.
    Al Qaeda is not the reason- it is the excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post

    I'm sure AQ has been dealt a major blow by the NSA spying on Nato & the EU from within, and ordinary US citizens, without a warrant.
    I'm sure they are quaking in their boots at those incarceration centres built in the US by the DoHS, to incarcerate US citizens in the event of civil unrest.
    Al Qaeda is not the reason- it is the excuse.
    Yes, we're sure.

    IMO, Snowdon should reveal a few more details.

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    It seems you are sleepwalking into a total police state and the constitution is getting ripped apart bit by bit. So much for Home of the free ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    but the Obama Administration and the Democrats in general.
    Good god you are clueless. If you think it would have went any other way I have a bridge to sell you. Both parties have knuckled under long ago. BTW;

    Majority of Democrats vote for defunding NSA, while Republicans side with Obama in support of NSA

    Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kurgen View Post
    Fukkin Seppo's.
    No, it's not the fault of the 'fukkin seppos' but the Obama Administration and the Democrats in general. This was a Clinton appointed Judge.
    Are they not Seppo's then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    It's all about control
    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    sleepwalking into a total police state and the constitution is getting ripped apart bit by bit
    Sad but true.

    Bsnub and Boonme - stop your fvcking bickering about small points and rise up together and take your country back

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    ^ The fight over the NSA's dirty deeds is not over as neo posted two judges have ruled on this issue. One said the following;

    “[T]he almost-Orwellian technology that enables the Government to store and analyse the phone metadata of every telephone user in the United States is unlike anything that could have been conceived in 1979,” said U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon referring to Smith v. Maryland, the first case allowing the government to collect phone data. He continued, “The notion that the Government could collect similar data on hundreds of millions of people and retain that data for a five-year period, updating it with new data every day in perpetuity, was at best, in 1979, the stuff of science fiction.”

    He went on to rule that the data collection most likely violates the constitution. This fight will wind up in the Supreme court no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Despite a recent ruling that it might be unconstitutional, a US judge ruled on Friday that the NSA’s telephone surveillance program is in fact legal
    The American Government can always find a Judge that agrees with them , American Democracy at its best

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