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    Cannabis trumps drink

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    Many New Zealanders are turning to cannabis as an alternative to alcohol, which might explain why we are among the highest users in the world, a medical anthropologist says.

    According to the Ministry of Health's most recent New Zealand Alcohol and Drug Use Survey, one in seven New Zealand adults will have used cannabis in the past year.

    The survey found 46.4 per cent of all adults had used cannabis in their lifetime.

    That put New Zealand among the highest cannabis users in the world in the 2013 United Nations World Drug Report.

    Medical anthropologist and research consultant Geoff Noller, who completed his doctoral thesis on cannabis use in New Zealand, says a major theme was people using cannabis instead of drinking alcohol.

    He surveyed 80 people in Dunedin about their cannabis use.

    "A lot of people in my study found they didn't like alcohol, felt out of control when they had alcohol, so for a lot of the cannabis users, it was a way they could de-stress but remain in control."

    Cannabis was easy to grow in New Zealand, and this had led to the development of a "cannabis culture" comparable to wine-tasting, Noller said.

    "People like cannabis, they like growing it, and the gardening side. They enjoy the different varieties like a person who might enjoy different types of wine," he said.

    "There's a real interest outside of simply getting high, there's a whole culture around it."

    This year, and for the first time in New Zealand, Fairfax Media is partnering with the Global Drug Survey to help create the largest and most up-to-date snapshot of our drug and alcohol use, and to see how we compare to the rest of the world.

    National Organisation for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (Norml) president Chris Fowlie agreed the majority of cannabis users found it a more enjoyable, safer alternative to alcohol.

    "They're making a decision to use something that works for them and is safe for them," he said.

    New Zealand Drug Foundation executive director Ross Bell said it was difficult to put a finger on exactly why New Zealand's cannabis user rates so high.

    "There's something about us though, generally, we like our booze, so we're also one of the highest users of alcohol in the world," he said.

    "When legal highs first hit the market, within a couple of years a quarter of the population had tried it, so there does seem to be something about Kiwis and their drugs."

    The foundation is hosting an International Drug Policy Symposium at the end of the month to explore the science around cannabis and health.

    "We've always had a focus on cannabis for the simple reason it's our most used illegal drug," Bell said.

    "So we've decided to try to shed a light back on this drug that people kind of take for granted or simply ignore."


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    ^ It does make sense.

    I know a lot of folks - mostly older - that prefer cannabis to alcohol.

    Good news.

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    If you go to the link given and read the original article, there's a link to the global drugs survey which you could also participate in. It's anonymous and takes a good half hour or more to answer.

    That in turn links to other drug and alcohol monitors/gauges which you can also use top self assess your own habits.

    Very useful and helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Cannabis trumps drink
    Cannabis trumps smell - probably due to the munchies.

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    As a non smoker does one get the same effect by ingesting cannabis?

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    ^Yes.....I mean, I don't know.

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    Yeah you can eat it but you need to release the active infredients first, which are fat soluble. You can't just munch on bud.

    The easiest way is to lightly saute in butter for 10 minutes or so, not too hot, but hot enough to extract the THC. Then just spread your weed butter on some toast with vegemite

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    Look at America,

    Some of the strongest Cannabis laws going yet some of there States have actually legalized personal use.

    If America can bring themselves to legalize it there is hope for all of us that like to skin up.

    The Violence on the streets of Perth these days which is caused by young people getting totally pissed up is horrendous.

    Legalize the blow I say, it will happen eventually and then people will be saying," why did we keep it a criminal offence for so long." ?

    Tax and regulate, easy innit.

    Pubs wont be happy though as Alcohol consumption will fall.

    People will always want to have a nice drink but with the option of a smoke easily available they will go for that which in turn leads to less alcohol intake and no hangover thank fuk.
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    Its extremely boring to be in the company of people who smoke marijuana , they are so slow, dull, dreary and spaced out .
    If I see someone rolling a joint, I leave before they light it up .
    I dont want to be in the company of potheads

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    I would legalise it with health warnings same as for cigarettes. The number of users who experience mental health issues is also rising.

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    That is due to stronger marijuana , Paranoia and schizophrenia levels have always been higher amongst weed smokers , the stronger the weed gets , the higher levels of mental ilness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post

    Its extremely boring to be in the company of people who smoke marijuana , they are so slow, dull, dreary and spaced out .
    If I see someone rolling a joint, I leave before they light it up .
    I don't want to be in the company of potheads
    That's absolutely fair enough and I have no problem whatsoever with that.

    If one don't smoke themselves there's no point being around smokers.

    On the other hand a person that does not drink finds the exact same problem being around drinkers. Boring as fuk being around drunks unless you're in the loop.

    We are not passing judgement here merely respecting a persons right to pick there poison, I like both poisons and can mix with both groups.

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    By the time it's legalised (if it ever is), it will be illegal to smoke anything, anywhere.

    Ask the ciggy smokers, is it illegal to smoke in their own homes yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post

    That is due to stronger marijuana , Paranoia and schizophrenia levels have always been higher amongst weed smokers , the stronger the weed gets , the higher levels of mental ilness
    That is simply because some people are not wired to handle drugs of any sort. The vast majority of people can smoke there weed with no problems whatsoever and some smokers can not handle it.

    This group should refrain from any drug what so ever.

    Same as alcohol innit, The problems that it causes in society are diabolical.

    A very good case is the Australian Aboriginals. There system cannot handle alcohol, they have no tolerance to it and it has destroyed there people.

    They would be so much better off if the Government just supplied them with weed.

    Fact that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by withnallstoke View Post

    Ask the ciggy smokers, is it illegal to smoke in their own homes yet?

    Friggin Cigarettes,

    One smokes the shit, wakes up smelling like shit and then gets lung cancer and dies a horrid slow death.

    At least with Weed one gets high in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    The number of users who experience mental health issues is also rising.
    Or is it a rise in people with mental health problems that have started using?

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    ^

    Actually that a much better way of phrasing it.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    That is due to stronger marijuana , Paranoia and schizophrenia levels have always been higher amongst weed smokers , the stronger the weed gets , the higher levels of mental ilness
    Total wowser redneck propaganda.

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    I must agree with ENT,

    In today's world that sort of response is absolutely retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Its extremely boring to be in the company of people who smoke marijuana , they are so slow, dull, dreary and spaced out .
    If I see someone rolling a joint, I leave before they light it up .
    I dont want to be in the company of potheads
    I gotta agree with that, in enclosed spaces I can even get stoned sittin next to the unsocial fukkers.

    Spliffs are good for one thing, bringing you down from a night of ecstacy, coke and booze.


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    Just to expand on the topic a bit;


    "The number of New Zealanders seeking treatment for drug and alcohol addiction continues to rise but there is little real-time information about how, why and what drugs people are using.

    This year, and for the first time in New Zealand, Fairfax Media is partnering with the Global Drug Survey to help create the largest and most up-to-date snapshot of our drug and alcohol use, and to see how we compare to the rest of the world.

    The independent survey, which is run by British addiction psychiatrist and researcher Adam Winstock, will run with media partners from around the world, including The Guardian, The Huffington Post, The Sydney Morning Herald and Spain's largest daily newspaper El Pais, and will reach people on four continents and in six different languages.

    It will be the biggest survey of drug users ever done, Winstock said.

    "With so many partners and supporters we are hoping for a game-changer of a survey with 50,000 to 100,000 people taking part from around the world," he said.

    New Zealand Drug Foundation executive director Ross Bell said data around drug use in New Zealand was "poor".
    "We do not have rapid, real-time or even annual data," he said.
    "It's difficult to know what the drug trends are in New Zealand.

    "We are not collecting good data on what challenges are facing young New Zealanders with drugs and alcohol."
    The last major survey, Drug Use in New Zealand, was carried out by the Ministry of Health in 2007-08 and released in 2010.
    It found that overall, about half of all adults aged 16–64 years had used drugs for recreational purposes at some time in their lives.

    Bell said good, real-time data collection was crucial to directing resources where they were needed, and quickly.

    "The Global Drug Survey is the kind of innovative way of collecting the data that will get us a better picture," he said, adding that treatment for drug and alcohol addiction in New Zealand was on the increase.

    "What we do know around treatment is that there is forever a demand for it," he said.

    According to a 2011 report by The National Committee for Addiction Treatment, 150,000 people a year in New Zealand required addiction treatment, but only 34,000 people were treated by DHB-funded sources in the same period.

    The survey is anonymous and takes about 20 minutes to complete. Drugs included in the survey include alcohol, cannabis, cocaine, ecstasy, mephedrone, tobacco, ketamine, "legal highs" and prescription medicines.

    This year's survey will have a particular focus on marijuana use, prescription-drug addiction, and look at what happens around the world when you are caught with drugs.

    Results of past years' surveys have been published in the British Medical Journal, the Lancet, and Addiction, and have helped produce a project called the drugs meter, where people can find out how their drug use compares to others.

    Early next year Fairfax Media will report the New Zealand results.

    Drug survey aims to get info on Kiwis | Stuff.co.nz

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    Anyone wishing to take part in the survey mentioned, click on this link below.


    Global Drug Survey - Introduction


    It won't bite ya, it's interesting and anonymous.

    There are also other links provided at the end of the survey (which is a wee bit lengthy) that will give you some interesting feedback re. your own addiction levels to drugs, including alcohol, tolerance levels, safe levels etc.


    Go on, have a go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post

    Tax and regulate, easy innit.

    Pubs wont be happy though as Alcohol consumption will fall.
    Quick someone register the name Marlboro Highs

    Pubs will still survive, we need somewhere to go and talk shit with our mates. (Oh but wait...)

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    Bang on. If we don't we'll go insane!

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    I say decriminalize and grow as much as ya like non-commercially if yer over 17 yoa.

    Do it commercially,..... get it taxed like any crop.

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    Links between cannabis use and mental disorders.


    Cannabis use and mental health in young people: cohort study



    After increases in cannabis use during the early 1990s, a majority of young people in the United Kingdom, United States, New Zealand, and Australia now use cannabis recreationally.1,2 Despite the high prevalence of cannabis use, uncertainty persists about its physical and psychological consequences.3
    Among the most prominent concerns have been putative links between use of cannabis and mental disorders. A large intake of cannabis seems able to trigger acute psychotic episodes and may worsen outcomes in established psychosis.4,5 Associations with non-psychotic disorders have received less attention. Yet evidence for an association between cannabis use and depression and anxiety has grown.6 Chronic daily users report high levels of anxiety, depression, fatigue, and their motivation is low.7 In one recent survey of young adults, over a third reported symptoms of anxiety that were associated with cannabis use; young women reported these more commonly.8 Cross sectional associations between cannabis use and depression and anxiety have now been reported in surveys in both adolescents and adults,9,10 although not all studies have found an association in male participants.11
    Questions remain about the level of association between cannabis use and depression and anxiety and about the mechanism underpinning the link. Pre-existing symptoms might raise the likelihood of cannabis use through a mechanism of self medication.12 Alternatively, cannabis use may be more likely in people with a background of social adversity or particular characteristics—factors that might also raise risks for mental disorders. Cannabis may also carry a direct risk for depression and anxiety.
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