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    just heard on the radio that they are keen to return to england to clear their name, they were very happy to swan around europe a few days ago, if they have nothing to hide why run away?

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    in answer to whoever asked about Lindy Chamberlain - it was in Australia - maybe about 1986 or so.

    A dingo allegedly stole and killed her baby from a tent at night while they were camping at Ayers Rock.

    She was then charged with murder and jailed .... then released a few years later.... i think...

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    i was close....

    Azaria Chamberlain disappearance

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    Azaria Chamberlain Born 11 June 1980 (1980-06-11) (age 27)
    Mount Isa, Queensland Died August 17, 1980
    Nine-week-old Australian baby Azaria Chamberlain disappeared on the night of 17 August 1980 on a camping trip with her family. Her parents, Lindy and Michael Chamberlain, reported that she had been taken from their tent by a dingo. An initial inquest, highly critical of the police investigation, supported this assertion. The findings of the inquest were broadcast live on television — a first in Australia. Subsequently, after a further investigation and second inquest, Azaria's mother, Lindy Chamberlain, was tried and convicted of her murder, on 29 October 1982 and sentenced to life imprisonment. Azaria's father, Michael Chamberlain, was convicted as an accessory after the fact and given a suspended sentence.
    The media focus for the trial was extraordinarily intense and sensational. The Chamberlains made several unsuccessful appeals, including the final High Court appeal. After all legal options had been exhausted, the chance discovery of a piece of Azaria's clothing in an area full of dingo lairs led to Lindy Chamberlain's release from prison, on "compassionate grounds." She was later exonerated of all charges. While the case is officially unsolved, the report of a dingo attack is generally accepted. Recent deadly dingo attacks in other areas of Australia have strengthened the case for the dingo theory.
    The story has been made into a TV movie, a feature film and a TV miniseries. There have also been numerous books about the case.

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    hit the nail on the head kingwilly, that was the case i was talking about. yes she was released and now lives in the states

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash
    just heard on the radio that they are keen to return to england to clear their name,
    Wouldn't it be easier for them to clear their name in the country it happened? Be a bit like Thaskin trying to clear his name in the UK rather than Thailand, ahhh, thats what he is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by flash
    just heard on the radio that they are keen to return to england to clear their name,
    Wouldn't it be easier for them to clear their name in the country it happened? Be a bit like Thaskin trying to clear his name in the UK rather than Thailand, ahhh, thats what he is doing.
    I thought they weren't leaving until they find Madeline, bit suspicious they want to leave now.

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    As I understood it there are some obscure Portuguese laws which govern the questions which can be asked by police depending on whether they have been designated as a suspect or not. It seems the Portuguese police decided to declare them suspects so they could ask some direct questions. When they return to England they can only be questioned by English police and they are not obliged to respond. Even if charges are brought in Portugal extradition procedures would have to be engaged. If they are wary of answering hard questions their move is very shrewd indeed.

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    They're both doctors and it seems that they gave 'sleeping pills' to their children before going out.
    And one of them did not wake up.
    And besides the guilt and sadness of getting one of their children dead, they panicked.
    Because they have 2 other ones to take care of and they're both doctors.
    Maybe, maybe not...
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    ^^
    Nathair,

    This is indeed the cse.
    In portugal only if you are named a suspect can the police ask direct questions, like "Did you (accidentaly) kill your daughter?" for example.

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    and here's me thinking it was a new thread about the poor boy who died in Phuket from his step-fathers (alleged) beating...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NathairCeann View Post
    One thing I picked up in the initial reports , and which was forgotten in the publicity circus that followed , was that this couple left infant children alone in an apartment while they went out to dinner.

    Speaking as a parent , this unacceptable.

    If you have young children you get babysitters , take them out with you or curtail your social life.

    Even if they didn't do it , it would not have happened had they not left their children unattended. This realisation has caused me moments of mild nausea when I saw these two parading their woes before any camera they could find.
    That's what I was going to write! Leaving small kids unattended while they went out to have a meal - What if there was a fire? What if one of the kids woke up, wandered around and managed to hurt him/herself? What if a stranger entered the house?

    Regardless what happened to the poor kid, the parents have to take part of the blame for her disappearance. NC is spot on with her post, especially the this paragraph - well worth repeating, IMHO:

    If you have young children you get babysitters , take them out with you or curtail your social life.
    Says it all. If you can't accept this, use a condom instead.
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    If you have young children you get babysitters , take them out with you or curtail your social life.
    Say it all. If you can't accept this, use a condom instead.
    agreed. outrageous. and they are both doctors? God help us!

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    ^while I would agree with the general comment that the children should not have been left unattended, keep in mind that the McCanns were not the only ones at the dinner table to have left their children in their room unattended (bar the half hour check-ups each parent was running). All (I understand there were 9 adults at the table that night) apart from one of the dinners that night had done the same thing, and the only reason the one who had not did not was because the child was actually sick. The previous night, they had left the child unattended.

    So, is it a cultural trait - rather than a fault of the McCanns themselves?

    As for the DNA/Blood in the hire car, this actually raises more questions than it aswers. For example: were the McCanns the only people to drive the car? Why, following the finding of the evidence, was the car returned to the McCanns for their use, rather than being impounded (as evidence - if it is so crucial part of the evidence)? Everyone is asking how the DNA/blood got in the car 25 days after the child went missing (as this was when the McCanns hired the car). This is a hire car: was the car being rented on the night in question? If so, to who and can they explain their whereabouts?

    I'm not saying parents won't do something likes this, but at the moment I'm for saying the parents did a foolish thing - they left their child unnattended while they went to have dinner with a group of freinds who had ALL done exactly the same thing. Being foolish is one thing, being a murderer is another thing completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    That's what I was going to write! Leaving small kids unattended while they went out to have a meal - What if there was a fire? What if one of the kids woke up, wandered around and managed to hurt him/herself? What if a stranger entered the house?
    They were less than a hundred metres from the villa, which was in the compound where the restaurant was. They had a clear view of it.
    They did not 'go out and leave the children at home'.

    I shudder to think of the times that my children were in bed and we were in the back yard barbequing with music and noise. We would go into the house to check on them, but there was nothing except a locked front door (and sometimes departing guests would leave it unlocked.) and something like this happening.



    I really dont think they did anything unreasonable seeing that they were in such close proximity. They were in the same compound, not the other side of town.

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    And as for the blood, bodies dont bleed after 25 days.

    Where would they have hidden a body for 25 days with all the searching going on?

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    Of all the conspiracy theories circulating about this, the one I find the most compelling is that the McCanns may have know who took their daughter. It is said that rather than annoucing to the other people in the restaraunt that night that her daughter was missing, she said, they've taken her. If that were true, it does raise a question of why she would think her daughter had been taken so soon after they realised she went missing.

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    I got bored with the Mcann's swanning around antics only 2 wks or so after the case began

    not to be too cynical but this could turn out to be a classic 'Munchausen's-by-proxy' scenario

    when are they coming to Thailand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    They were less than a hundred metres from the villa, which was in the compound where the restaurant was. They had a clear view of it.
    They did not 'go out and leave the children at home'.

    I shudder to think of the times that my children were in bed and we were in the back yard barbequing with music and noise. We would go into the house to check on them, but there was nothing except a locked front door (and sometimes departing guests would leave it unlocked.) and something like this happening.



    I really dont think they did anything unreasonable seeing that they were in such close proximity. They were in the same compound, not the other side of town.

    Too right , they did not 'go out and leave the children at home'. They went out and left them in a strange appartment.

    How big is your garden? Must be a nice size if you're a 100 yds from the house when you BBQ.

    As for 'clear view' check out this pic and reassess.



    I don't know if you have any young children but let me give you some tips. A kid who wakes up in it's own bed will normally go looking for mummy/daddy not out the front door for a walkabout. (With the possible exception of my eldest who at 2 yrs old liked to toddle downstairs and put the TV on).

    In a strange place walkabout is much more of a possibility.

    In case I haven't been clear , I do not approve of this couple's behaviour. Also , this apparently was not an isolated incident. They systematically left their children unattended while they socialised , as did their circle of friends. I would class the lot of them as negligent unfit parents.

    PS Whiteshiva - who you calling a 'her' ya bollix ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William
    It is said that rather than annoucing to the other people in the restaraunt that night that her daughter was missing, she said, they've taken her. If that were true, it does raise a question of why she would think her daughter had been taken so soon after they realised she went missing.
    I has been 'said'. Come on, WS, you have kids, do you really think that they would keep quiet about 'someone they knew' taking their child?


    Quote Originally Posted by NathairCeann
    don't know if you have any young children but let me give you some tips. A kid who wakes up in it's own bed will normally go looking for mummy/daddy not out the front door for a walkabout. (With the possible exception of my eldest who at 2 yrs old liked to toddle downstairs and put the TV on). In a strange place walkabout is much more of a possibility. In case I haven't been clear , I do not approve of this couple's behaviour. Also , this apparently was not an isolated incident. They systematically left their children unattended while they socialised , as did their circle of friends. I would class the lot of them as negligent unfit parents.
    Yes, I do have children, a lot older than two years old.

    You don't know that they 'systematically left their children'; why is it 'apparent'. You only know rumour and gossip.

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    ^I don't have kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    That's what I was going to write! Leaving small kids unattended while they went out to have a meal - What if there was a fire? What if one of the kids woke up, wandered around and managed to hurt him/herself? What if a stranger entered the house?
    They were less than a hundred metres from the villa, which was in the compound where the restaurant was. They had a clear view of it.
    They did not 'go out and leave the children at home'.
    I am sorry, Lily, but that is exactly what they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    Yes, I do have children, a lot older than two years old.

    You don't know that they 'systematically left their children'; why is it 'apparent'. You only know rumour and gossip.
    Just some 'rumour and gossip' for you.

    Expatriate Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives in the flat above where the McCanns were staying, was re-interviewed by detectives on Monday after it emerged that she might have fresh clues.

    Widow Mrs Fenn told police that two nights before Madeleine went missing she heard a little girl in the apartment crying for over an hour.

    She heard the woman who she now knows to be Kate crying ‘We have let her down, we have let her down’

    She said the toddler, who is believed to have been Madeleine, was crying “Daddy, daddy” constantly between 10.30 and 11.45pm.

    The crying had stopped when the parents returned to the apartment.

    Daily Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper :: News / Showbiz :: 'We've let Madeleine down'

    An article last week in Portugal’s Sol magazine accused the McCanns and the other families in their holiday group of hiding behind a “pact of silence”. It said the McCanns’ friends had constantly altered their version of events and that they were a “very strange group that never stayed with their children”.

    The accusations have triggered “high-level informal talks” among CPS lawyers about the conduct of Madeleine’s parents, who are both well-respected doctors.

    Senior lawyers are considering whether an offence was committed under the 1933 Young Persons Act, which deals with ill-treatment, cruelty, neglect and abandonment of children under 16.

    If charges were brought and the McCanns found guilty, they could face up to two years in jail.

    Daily Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper :: News / Showbiz :: Maddy's parents to face inquiry

    I am glad your kids have growed safely (and there is NO sarcasm in that remark). So have mine , so much so that not only being able to take care of themselves they have been known to take care of the old da if he is foolish enough to go pint for pint with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily View Post
    Where would they have hidden a body for 25 days
    With all the press attention & such I would imagine it would be virtually impossible to move a body undetected after they repoted it. They would know this. That is why we must entertain the possibility that Madaline was gone & buried well before they actually said she disappeared.

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    Here's a guess - could they have given the kids non-prescription drugs to keep them quiet... when one died they realised they would lose their jobs, so they covered it up....

    As I said it's just a guess, but someone mentioned sleeping pills before and the fact that they are doctors might have meant they were able to get hold of something they shouldn't have had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Zaius
    They would know this. That is why we must entertain the possibility that Madaline was gone & buried well before they actually said she disappeared.
    And their friends, other doctors colluded with them on this?

    And the gossip you mention is just that; gossip

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