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    Muslim Religious Leaders Condemn Holocaust Deniers

    Muslim Religious Leaders Condemn Holocaust Deniers


    Warsaw. Muslim leaders and scholars from around the world issued a joint statement on Monday condemning any attempts to deny or justify the Holocaust, in which six million European Jews were killed in Nazi Germany.
    “We bear witness to the absolute horror and tragedy of the Holocaust where millions upon millions of human souls perished, more than half of whom were people of the Jewish faith,” said a statement signed by 10 leading Islamic figures including President of the Islamic Society of North America, Imam Mohamed Magid and India’s Chief Imam, Umer Ahmed Ilyasi.


    “We acknowledge, as witnesses, that it is unacceptable to deny this historical reality and declare such denials or any justification of this tragedy as against the Islamic code of ethics,” they said, adding they “stand shoulder to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters in condemning anti-Semitism in any form”.
    Rahim Yunus, a professor with the State Islamic University Alaudin in Makassar and head of the Interfaith Harmony Forum (FKUB) of South Sulawesi, represented Indonesia while imams and Muslim intellectuals from Bosnia, India, Indonesia, Jordan, the Palestinian Territories, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the United States knelt in solemn prayer for Holocaust dead at Auschwitz on May 22, their foreheads touching the ground before the notorious Wall of Death at the former Nazi death camp in southern Poland.


    They offered the traditional Muslim salat prayers facing south toward the holy city of Mecca, shoes removed, as part of an anti-genocide program which also saw them meet Holocaust survivors and their saviors in an emotional encounter at Warsaw’s synagogue a day earlier.
    “With the disturbing rise of anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and other forms of hatred, rhetoric and bigotry, now more than ever, people of faith must stand together for truth, peace and justice,” their Monday statement said.
    “Together, we pledge to make real the commitment of ‘never again’ and to stand united against injustice wherever it may be found in the world today,” it concluded.
    Their visit was part of a Holocaust awareness and anti-genocide program organized in part by the US State Department’s Office of International Religious Freedom.


    Of the six million Jews killed by the Nazis during World War II, a million were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau, mostly in its notorious gas chambers, along with tens of thousands of others including Poles, Roma and Soviet prisoners of war.
    Operated by the Nazis from 1940 until it was liberated by the Soviet Red Army on January 27, 1945, Auschwitz was part of a vast and brutal network of death and concentration camps across Europe set up as part of Adolf Hitler’s “Final Solution” of genocide against an estimated 10 million European Jews.
    Once Europe’s Jewish heartland, Poland saw 90 percent of its 3.3 million pre-war Jewish citizens killed under Nazi occupation between 1939 and 1945.
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    , "stand should to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters" ... Uh huh, yeah right.

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    I don't dispute the fact that lots of Jews were killed during the second world war. Lots of other ethnic minorities suffered even more. I just dispute the numbers and the official story of how they died.
    When you can be arrested and imprisoned for even doubting or questioning the official line that tells me they have something big to hide otherwise why jail people to keep them quiet ?
    They have used the official line to get their own country and used what happened to them as some excuse for their own genocide of the Palestinian people.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Muslim Religious Leaders Condemn Holocaust Deniers

    Warsaw. Muslim leaders and scholars from around the world issued a joint statement on Monday condemning any attempts to deny or justify the Holocaust, in which six million European Jews were killed in Nazi Germany.
    “We bear witness to the absolute horror and tragedy of the Holocaust where millions upon millions of human souls perished, more than half of whom were people of the Jewish faith,” said a statement signed by 10 leading Islamic figures including President of the Islamic Society of North America, Imam Mohamed Magid and India’s Chief Imam, Umer Ahmed Ilyasi.
    That's a positive step. Hopefully it'll filter down to the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    "stand should to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters" ... Uh huh, yeah right.
    They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Perhaps it's not actually about them, but peoples perception of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    "stand should to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters" ... Uh huh, yeah right.
    They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Perhaps it's not actually about them, but peoples perception of them?
    How very right you are Psuedo , never a truer word written
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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    "stand should to shoulder with our Jewish brothers and sisters" ... Uh huh, yeah right.
    They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Perhaps it's not actually about them, but peoples perception of them?
    How very right you are Psuedo
    ...I was talking about Muslims, you realise.... I have many muslim friends and acquaintances over in Malaysia and Indonesia. "Takes more than age to be mature" as a wise man once said.
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    Changed my mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella View Post
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    When you can be arrested and imprisoned for even doubting or questioning the official line that tells me they have something big to hide otherwise why jail people to keep them quiet ?
    I believe that only denying the Holocaust ever happened is an offence in certain Countries , disputing certain aspects of it isnt an offence , just complete denial is .
    Some Countries it isnt an offence to deny the Holocaust

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    Psuedo, I was going to add that could be said of most religions or even Countrys like America ,"damned if they do and damned if they don,t", describes the Septics to a CAPITAL T

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    Wouldn't it all be a lot better if everyone stayed home and had a cup of tea.

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    oh look, my own personal troll.


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    Malcom Rifkin a top jew in the House of Commons has been chosen to head up an investigation into the Muslim culture after Lee Rigby's death.
    Should be interesting to see that reaction.
    wily move by D. Cameron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    Malcom Rifkin a top jew in the House of Commons has been chosen to head up an investigation into the Muslim culture after Lee Rigby's death.
    Should be interesting to see that reaction.
    wily move by D. Cameron.
    D cameron has nothing to do with that appointment, one would guess.

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    Good. Now let them make a declaration deploring the ongoing and illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine. The Holocaust has been used as a sick 'justification' for Israeli crimes for too many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Good. Now let them make a declaration deploring the ongoing and illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine. The Holocaust has been used as a sick 'justification' for Israeli crimes for too many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    Malcom Rifkin a top jew in the House of Commons has been chosen to head up an investigation into the Muslim culture after Lee Rigby's death.
    Should be interesting to see that reaction.
    wily move by D. Cameron.
    Can you provide a link to confirm this allegation ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    Good. Now let them make a declaration deploring the ongoing and illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine. The Holocaust has been used as a sick 'justification' for Israeli crimes for too many years.
    You seem to have missed the point altogether.

    There is no lack of declarations, statements, rants or other forms of "speech" from Muslim individuals, Muslim organizations, Muslim states and Muslim-dominated states deploring the ongoing occupation.

    One reason there is very little genuine Israeli response to said Niagara of condemnation is that there has been very little else, besides of course the stock refusal to recognize the right of Israel to exist or the calls for further genocide or indeed Holocaust denial, from said quarters.

    Telling a person or a nation that you loathe them and don't want them anywhere near you has never been a good opening to meaningful relations of any kind.

    And, really, do you think anyone with any connection to Israel or the Jewish people gives a shit how you distort the meaning of the Holocaust to Israeli political life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Can you provide a link to confirm this allegation ?
    This good enough?

    "The brutal killing of Drummer Lee Rigby presents the parliamentary body responsible for holding MI5 to account — the Intelligence and Security Committee — with its biggest test yet. Its credibility is at stake. Its members are appointed by the prime minister, vetted, and sign a declaration saying they are bound by the terms of the Official Secrets Act.

    The committee is chaired by the former Conservative defence and foreign secretary, Sir Malcolm Rifkind."


    Woolwich attack is unprecedented test for MI5 oversight body | UK news | guardian.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Can you provide a link to confirm this allegation ?
    This good enough?

    "The brutal killing of Drummer Lee Rigby presents the parliamentary body responsible for holding MI5 to account — the Intelligence and Security Committee — with its biggest test yet. Its credibility is at stake. Its members are appointed by the prime minister, vetted, and sign a declaration saying they are bound by the terms of the Official Secrets Act.

    The committee is chaired by the former Conservative defence and foreign secretary, Sir Malcolm Rifkind."


    Woolwich attack is unprecedented test for MI5 oversight body | UK news | guardian.co.uk

    No, that shows that Rifkind is already head of The Inteligence and Security committee , it doesnt show that he has been appointed to investigate Muslim culture at all as claimed by Billy the kid..........

    Originally Posted by billy the kid (Muslim Religious Leaders Condemn Holocaust Deniers)
    Malcom Rifkin a top jew in the House of Commons has been chosen to head up an investigation into the Muslim culture after Lee Rigby's death.
    Should be interesting to see that reaction.
    wily move by D. Cameron.

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    ^Part of the problem with trying to have any sort of discussion about these sorts of thing is the overwhelming predominance of these anger-fueled flights into "irony" that have all the buoyancy of lead balloons.

    That and the tendency of some others to "just not get it" at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Good. Now let them make a declaration deploring the ongoing and illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine. The Holocaust has been used as a sick 'justification' for Israeli crimes for too many years.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz
    Laughable eh Fluke,Sabang is on his anti Israeli ,pro Palestinian rostrum again , he seems to have a severe case of Alzheimer's ,The state of Israel would have ceased to exist and its people drove into the sea long ago if the Arab Islamic states had the balls and knew how to fight a war like the Israelis did ,even though the Israelis was vastly outnumbered , I read today that Fatahs Mahmoud Abbas on the West Bank has appointed a new Palestinian prime Minister and of course The Iranian bankrolled Hamas in Gaza say that its some how illegal ,even though they are two years behind schedule into have a General Election themselves ,the rift between Hamas and Fatah is still as wide as it was 6 years ago ,simply because of Hamas's total intransigence, cos if they cannot agree with their fellow Palestinians , the chance of a lasting peace with Israel is but a pipe dream ,and before some one out there decides in their ultimate wisdom that my post is some how "off topic" may I with respect point out that my post is just an answer to Sabangs quite predictable anti Israeli rantings , here is the Link Sabang and of course I do not expect you to read it as your mind is already made up and you have so little to learn , quite a stupid attitude to take may I addhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22766897
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Can you provide a link to confirm this allegation ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Can you provide a link to confirm this allegation ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz
    Asking people (who seem to make things up) to show that they arent actually making said things up isnt trolling .
    Although, considering that you also have a habit of making things up and posting them as fact, its understandably why you would like it to be seen as trolling .

    For example:

    "4000 people are ritually killed in New York every year"
    *Can you prove that*
    "Stop trolling"

    Lifes not that simple P

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    The only way to collectively slaughter violently the fvckhead fanatics on both sides is for the right thinking people from everywhere to get together.

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