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    Google Ordered To Give Customer Data To FBI

    A judge has ruled against the internet giant which challenged 19 requests for sensitive information by the FBI.

    A US judge has ruled that Google must comply with the FBI's demands for private customer data.
    The internet giant had challenged 19 FBI letters asking for sensitive information on the grounds that it is unconstitutional and unnecessary.
    But US District Court Judge Susan Illston rejected the company's argument against the controversial practice, which has prompted complaints of privacy violations in the past.
    FBI counter-terrorism agents began issuing the secret, so-called national security letters, which do not require a judge's approval, after Congress passed the USA Patriot Act in the wake of the September 11, 2001, attacks.
    They usually demand data such as financial and phone records from telecommunication companies, internet service providers and banks.
    Judge Illston ruled against Google even though she found the letters unconstitutional in March in a separate case filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
    In that case, she found that the FBI's demand that recipients refrain from telling anyone - including customers - that they had received the letters was a violation of free speech rights.
    It was unclear from the judge's ruling what type of information the government sought to obtain with the letters to Google. It was also unclear whom the government was targeting.
    The judge has put the Google ruling on hold until the ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals can decide the matter.
    Until then, she said, the company would have to comply with the letters unless it shows the FBI didn't follow proper procedures in making its demands for customer data in the 19 letters Google is challenging.
    After receiving sworn statements from two top-ranking FBI officials, the judge said she was satisfied that 17 of the 19 letters were issued properly. She wanted more information on two other letters.
    Google could appeal the decision. The company declined comment.
    The FBI made 16,511 national security letter requests for information regarding 7,201 people in 2011, the latest data available.


    Google Ordered To Give Customer Data To FBI

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    Hmm , bit of an hard one to call on this one Fluke ,but if its going to make the World a safer place and helps to nail those who would do us harm, I suppose the loss of privacy is'nt too big of a price to pay , its all down to how the individual looks at it ain't it ,one way or the other

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Hmm , bit of an hard one to call on this one Fluke ,but if its going to make the World a safer place and helps to nail those who would do us harm, I suppose the loss of privacy is'nt too big of a price to pay , its all down to how the individual looks at it ain't it ,one way or the other
    So much for your constitutional rights then ? They have been using the old excuse of taking away your rights and freedoms since 9/11 and they continue to this day.
    For sure it will never make the world a safer place it will just infringe on the privacy of the law abiding majority as it always does. It won't be long now before the USA is a full blown police state where you have no rights and all in the name of keeping you safe.
    Personally I would much rather have my rights and freedom and stick two fingers up to the so called terrorists. Unless you do they have already won.
    They are trying the same crap over in the Uk as well.
    Keep the people scared and they are more easily controlled. The fairytales of death and destruction are just that.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    Personally I would much rather have my rights and freedom and stick two fingers up to the so called terrorists. Unless you do they have already won.
    been through an airport since 911 ?

    of course they have won

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    but if its going to make the World a safer place and helps to nail those who would do us harm, I suppose the loss of privacy is'nt too big of a price to pay
    How about opening your mail? How about going through your garbage? How about checking your pockets when ever a policeman sees you. How about cavity search before you get on the tube? Where do you draw the line Mr Piwi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Hmm , bit of an hard one to call on this one Fluke ,but if its going to make the World a safer place and helps to nail those who would do us harm, I suppose the loss of privacy is'nt too big of a price to pay , its all down to how the individual looks at it ain't it ,one way or the other
    So much for your constitutional rights then ? They have been using the old excuse of taking away your rights and freedoms since 9/11 and they continue to this day.
    For sure it will never make the world a safer place it will just infringe on the privacy of the law abiding majority as it always does. It won't be long now before the USA is a full blown police state where you have no rights and all in the name of keeping you safe.
    Personally I would much rather have my rights and freedom and stick two fingers up to the so called terrorists. Unless you do they have already won.
    They are trying the same crap over in the Uk as well.
    Keep the people scared and they are more easily controlled. The fairytales of death and destruction are just that.
    One could safely say I have no constitutional rights in the UK, every where I go in the inner Citys there is a camera poking up my arse recording my every movement is this not an Intrusion in my civil libertys ?, or is it a means of bringing the guilty ones to justice should either I or one of my loved ones be attacked or killed ?, how many lunatics have been brought (or will be) to justice thanks to CCTV camera's ?( the Boston Bombers?) ,do I mind ?, not a bit? or better still do you or indeed any other member mind if its going to save innocent lives? ,many people are now thankfully brought to justice thanks solely to modern technology ,personally I have no problems with this cos I like you have nothing to hide ,its only the bad guys that have the problems with a so called infringement in their "civil liberty's" , but lets take this a little further suppose some lunatic high on drugs assaulted and robbed you and your good lady on your way home after a night out and it was on CCTV ,would you really say to the police that the evidence is inadmissible cos its an infringement on his civil libertys ?, we both know what your answer would be don't we? ,so please lets try and bring a little reality into the thread eh ,remember "big Brother" is watching your every move , whether you like it or not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Google Ordered To Give Customer Data To FBI
    Also reported this evening - the sky is mostly blue with clouds in it

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    Have no problem with security services doing their job, but have a problem with law enforcement being able to issue their own warrants, no judicial over sight.
    Intelligence agencies gather intelligence, much of what they gather is not admissible in court.
    What I see here is a policing agency, being able to issue a search warrant, be it an inter net search warrant. What if during their search for terror they find you have cheated on your taxes, minimized your income for child support, watch porn on line or got your car to do 100 MPH in the freeway. Perhaps you e mail a friend and say you got some good dope, come on over. Is this now legal evidence and can be used against you.
    Don't know what the courts will rule, but bet your bottom dollar, the letters sent to internet companies will not specify terrorism or international drug trafficking.
    Intel agencies all ready have access to the information, they just can't use it as evidence. Jim

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    Only Americans have to deal with that. None of the rest of the planet comes under that duristiction.

    Obviously the tentacles abound, but its US laws and US people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    ^
    Only Americans have to deal with that. None of the rest of the planet comes under that duristiction.

    Obviously the tentacles abound, but its US laws and US people.
    UK monitors every phone call, mobile or land line, every internet message.
    Not done by people, but by computers. They recognizes key words, typed or spoken in all languages. None of that information can be used as evidence in court. You want to tap into a phone or computer , you need a warrant issued by a Judge or Magistrate for that information to be used in court.
    That warrant will be specify in want you are allowed to look for.
    Give law enforcement the power to issue their own warrants and they can use it as evidence, no need to prove quilt or innocents, you have already make a confession on the net or phone.
    Big brother is watching, he knows what you say, on a phone or the net, he knows what you buy, if you use a card, he knows where you go if you used a travel card or drive and where you walk. Many CCTV cameras have facial recognition capabilities.
    !984 is here and no one noticed.
    I'm not paranoid, live in the jungle, spend much of my life being one of the good guys, nothing to hide. Just saying you can pick your nose without someone knowing. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Just saying you can pick your nose without someone knowing. Jim
    Couldn't agree with you more

    For me, the important point is the ethos behind what is done with what is heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Hmm , bit of an hard one to call on this one Fluke ,but if its going to make the World a safer place and helps to nail those who would do us harm, I suppose the loss of privacy is'nt too big of a price to pay , its all down to how the individual looks at it ain't it ,one way or the other
    So much for your constitutional rights then ? They have been using the old excuse of taking away your rights and freedoms since 9/11 and they continue to this day.
    For sure it will never make the world a safer place it will just infringe on the privacy of the law abiding majority as it always does. It won't be long now before the USA is a full blown police state where you have no rights and all in the name of keeping you safe.
    Personally I would much rather have my rights and freedom and stick two fingers up to the so called terrorists. Unless you do they have already won.
    They are trying the same crap over in the Uk as well.
    Keep the people scared and they are more easily controlled. The fairytales of death and destruction are just that.
    One could safely say I have no constitutional rights in the UK, every where I go in the inner Citys there is a camera poking up my arse recording my every movement is this not an Intrusion in my civil libertys ?, or is it a means of bringing the guilty ones to justice should either I or one of my loved ones be attacked or killed ?, how many lunatics have been brought (or will be) to justice thanks to CCTV camera's ?( the Boston Bombers?) ,do I mind ?, not a bit? or better still do you or indeed any other member mind if its going to save innocent lives? ,many people are now thankfully brought to justice thanks solely to modern technology ,personally I have no problems with this cos I like you have nothing to hide ,its only the bad guys that have the problems with a so called infringement in their "civil liberty's" , but lets take this a little further suppose some lunatic high on drugs assaulted and robbed you and your good lady on your way home after a night out and it was on CCTV ,would you really say to the police that the evidence is inadmissible cos its an infringement on his civil libertys ?, we both know what your answer would be don't we? ,so please lets try and bring a little reality into the thread eh ,remember "big Brother" is watching your every move , whether you like it or not!
    Fuck you, I mind.
    If immigrants are the problem, then we know what the solution is.
    I refuse to give up my freedom for the sake of globalisation and immigration and left-wing police-state ambitions.
    Technology does not bring people to justice, it simply changes how crime is perpetrated.
    CCTV is a waste of time. The more info that security forces have, the less able they are to filter through it - unless they want to pick on someone... and don't be naive that that would always be for an objective and justifiable reason. Go and read about the fucking Stasi, before you start spouting "Well, I've got nothing to hide"... that way lies the path to Hell for us all.

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    "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Benjamin Franklin

    The Patriot Act is an affront to the US Constitution, threatens our most basic civil liberties and many parts have already been ruled unconstitutional.

    The United States used to be the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave". Now? Not so much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
    Only Americans have to deal with that. None of the rest of the planet comes under that duristiction.
    and yemen , somalia , pakistan etc - the list is growing

    you may one day be having a barbeque and a few beers with your mates at a nice camping spot and be classified as a group of military aged males - say hello to a hellfire missile launched by a drone

    this is already happening in the afore mentioned countries - read Jeremy Scahill's "Dirty Wars" to see how far Obama's expanded drone killing extends

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    Which is more worrying?

    That a government agency with protocols and procedures want information in relation to a crime.

    Or that a corporation with the bottom line a a priority already has that information, which it uses to make a profit?

    If the FBI can get a warrant for a phone tap,a mail monitoring or a house search. Why is a warrant for a search of Internet communication any different?

    Many seem to applaud Jullian Assange and that American soldier for leaking sensitive information, but seem to side with Google when they question a request from the FBI for information relating to a crime.

    It is Google I would be worrying about not the FBI.
    Better to think inside the pub, than outside the box?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Which is more worrying?

    That a government agency with protocols and procedures want information in relation to a crime.

    Or that a corporation with the bottom line a a priority already has that information, which it uses to make a profit?

    If the FBI can get a warrant for a phone tap,a mail monitoring or a house search. Why is a warrant for a search of Internet communication any different?

    Many seem to applaud Jullian Assange and that American soldier for leaking sensitive information, but seem to side with Google when they question a request from the FBI for information relating to a crime.

    It is Google I would be worrying about not the FBI.
    Don't think it's about the FBI getting a warrant to investigate a crime, or counter terrorism.
    The are getting a warrant to investigate anybody for any thing.
    Spy agencies all ready have this power for Intel gathering, what the FBI now seem to have is an open ticket to investigate anyone suspect or not. All people are now suspects and they can use this information to bring criminal charges. Not just for terror, but anything that falls under federal law. Jim

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