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    Video footage emerges of 747 crash in Afghanistan

    Video footage has emerged purportedly showing a civilian cargo plane crash in Afghanistan which killed all seven crew members on board.

    Rescue teams rushed to the scene after the 747 crashed inside the boundaries of Bagram airfield, a US-run base which is a key transport hub for US-led military operations in Afghanistan.

    The purported footage shows the plane in a steep climb before it suddenly plummets back down to the ground.

    The ABC accessed the footage through social media curators Storyful, who are 90 per cent confident of its authenticity.

    The flight out of Bagram, located 50 kilometres north of Kabul, had been operated by the US-based National Air Cargo company.

    "At approximately 7am EST, National Flight NCR102 from Bagram to Dubai, UAE with seven crewmembers on board, crashed on take-off," National Air Cargo said in a statement on its website.

    "National will release additional information as it becomes available, in cooperation with government authorities."
    It added that the cause of the crash remains unknown.

    Video footage emerges of 747 crash in Afghanistan - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    The classic stall. Announcing all 7 crew members were killed is kind of superfluous.

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    who stood on the dogs tail?

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    Only 7 on board. That's not very economical, is it?

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    ^ it was a cargo flight.
    They would do military take offs from Bagram, I'm sure. A full throttle takeoff aiming to get altitude as quickly as possible. Edge of the seat stuff. I've been on a 747 for one, scary doesn't begin to describe it.

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    Giving it wasn't engine failure it was a stupid error. The pilot knows his cargo weight, he knows his thrust, he knows the wind direction, he knows the limitations of his rate of climb.

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    May have been poor weight distribution? Too much weight in the tail. It's happened before.....

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    ABC is still carrying this on page 1 and it has been picked up by many other networks including CNN but seems strange it is not a confirmed story after so many hours.

    BBC is not touching it.

    Video looks a bit fakey when the plane changes direction and falls.

    I am calling 75% probability of bulllshit on my own OP.


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    ^ hard to call BS when the company itself posts the info?
    Clever hoax if so....

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    ENT will be along soon to tell us it's all a hologram.

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    Looks to be a hell of a steep climb to me resulting in a stall ,, sure will nip me arse muscles up a bit when I get off the ground in one of those old Thai Jumbos they maintain using on the Heathrow- BKK route

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bung
    May have been poor weight distribution? Too much weight in the tail. It's happened before.....
    Cargo shift ?

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    The British press are saying it was down to the cargo shifting but I have a mate who is a cargo handler and he says it wouldn't happen. They all know the consequences of what happens when cargo isn't secured. the Taliban are claiming they shot it down but you would think that this would have shown up on the film or the radar.
    Bad day all round whichever way you look at it and the sooner they pull the troops out of that God forsaken hole the better.
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    BBC is still not touching this story, what is up with that?

    They are even running an IED story from Afghanistan and not mentioning a 747 crash caught on video?


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    I'me no flight expert, but to me it looks like its to steep with no air speed, so it fell out of the sky.
    Very sad for all on board.

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    Pilots out of Bagram probably try and attain height very quickly to get out of the range of SAMs, but in this instance it looks like a classic stall.

    As others have said, cargo shift or simply the aircraft being overweight could have caused the problem.

    Must be simply awful sitting in the front of a beast like that knowing you've just lost it.

    Reminds me of the B52 crash below; what the pilot was thinking I don't know, but once it's at that angle it's doomed - no lift.


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    I would have imagined that the tail would come down first if it was a cargo shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    I would have imagined that the tail would come down first if it was a cargo shift.
    Depends how desperately they were trying to get the nose down.

    I wonder if this aircraft had flight recorders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    ENT will be along soon to tell us it's all a hologram.
    PC pickel thinks he's seeing things again
    Doin't ya sweety pie?

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    Being a military base they won't give any information out yet if at all. The BBC won't run it until it can be verified from a reliable source.

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    no ent we just think your comedy gold.

    back to the OP, unfortunately it looks like under circumstances like this they end up pushing the aircraft to the edges of what it can do and in doing so expose themselves to single points of failure.

    a while back I had dealings with a company that calculated trim figures for departing aircraft at a UK airport and charged a rather hansom price for doing so. from what they were telling me getting the weight distribution right, knowing what it is and calculating the aircraft trim correct for that distribution is important to get right and not that hard to get wrong. and getting it wrong can cause all kinds of problems including stalls on take off. hence the enthusiasm to shift the hassle and liability to this company.

    the consolation is that the crash was so server the crew will have gone quickly.

    ^^^ are black box recorders in anyway optional on civlian aircraft?

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    "The Afghanistan Ministry of Transportation and Commercial Aviation is leading the investigation. The NTSB is investigating the crash alongside the ministry. The team will be composed of three NTSB investigators, as well as representatives from the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing, the NTSB said."

    Dramatic video appears to show 747 crash in Afghanistan - CBS News

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    Several observers on the ground reported the National Air Cargo Boeing 747-400 had just lifted off and was climbing through approximately 1200 feet when it's nose sharply rose, the aircraft appeared to have stalled and came down erupting in a blaze.

    According to a listener on frequency the crew reported the aircraft stalled due to a possible load shift.
    Crash: National Air Cargo B744 at Bagram on Apr 29th 2013, lost height shortly after takeoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bung
    Being a military base they won't give any information out yet if at all. The BBC won't run it until it can be verified from a reliable source.
    I guess that is what it is.

    It does seems strange though when it is such a spectacular event and video of it is all over the world on the internet that there is not a single official statement 12 hours on from the event. All big news sites are still using 'purportedly/allegedly' and the BBC is saying nothing.

    The authorities could at least say 'an aircraft crashed at Bagram - event is under investigation' or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bung
    Being a military base they won't give any information out yet if at all. The BBC won't run it until it can be verified from a reliable source.
    I guess that is what it is.

    It does seems strange though when it is such a spectacular event and video of it is all over the world on the internet that there is not a single official statement 12 hours on from the event. All big news sites are still using 'purportedly/allegedly' and the BBC is saying nothing.

    The authorities could at least say 'an aircraft crashed at Bagram - event is under investigation' or something.

    You got your wish Looper, while it is not the BBC, at least 'The Age' newspaper is a very respectable newspaper

    Bagram Boeing 747 crash video | 7 cargo plane crew dead
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