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    Piece of plane found near WTC.

    Wonders never cease. More from 9/11


    Piece of 9/11 plane found
    Last updated 10:57 27/04/2013

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    SURPRISE FIND: A part of the landing gear, apparently from one of the commercial airliners destroyed on September 11, 2001, is seen wedged between two buildings in New York.

    A rusted 1.5 metre-tall piece of landing gear believed to be from one of the hijacked planes destroyed in the September 11 attacks has been discovered wedged between a mosque site and a luxury high-rise apartment building near the World Trade Center.
    The twisted metal part includes a clearly visible Boeing identification number, New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said Friday. It has cables and levers on it and is about 3 feet (0.9m) wide and 1.5 feet (0.5m) deep.
    "The odds of this being wedged between there is amazing," Browne said, adding it was not surprising that it went undiscovered for more than a decade given the location. "It had to have fallen just the right way to make it into that space."
    Browne said other World Trade Center wreckage had been discovered nearby, possibly even at the same buildings, in years past.
    Police detectives and National Transportation Safety Board investigators will determine whether the equipment is from the American Airlines plane or the United Airlines plane that slammed into the twin towers on September 11, 2001, destroying the towers and killing thousands of people.
    The piece of equipment was discovered Wednesday by surveyors inspecting the lower Manhattan site of a planned Islamic community centre, at 51 Park Place, on behalf of the building's owner, police said. The inspectors was on the roof and noticed the debris and then called authorities. Police secured the scene, documenting it with photos.
    The spot where the landing gear was found is about three blocks from ground zero. When plans for the mosque and community centre were first announced several years ago, a furore erupted. Opponents protested that putting a Muslim facility near ground zero showed disrespect. Supporters cited freedom of religion and said it wasn't too close to where Islamic extremists attacked on September 11.
    In a statement, Sharif El-Gamal, the president of Soho Properties, which owns 51 Park Place, said workers called the city and the police as soon as they discovered the landing gear. He said the company is cooperating with the city and the police to make sure the piece of equipment "is removed with care as quickly and effectively as possible."
    The medical examiner's office will complete a health and safety evaluation to determine whether to sift the soil around the buildings for possible human remains, police said.
    Patricia Riley, whose sister Lorraine Riley was killed in the September 11 attacks, said the landing gear discovery was "very strange."
    "Twelve years later we are still finding remnants of the attack on our country," she said. "... For years to come we'll continue to find things that we didn't see before. Hopefully, they'll serve as a reminder that we have to stay vigilant."
    Outside the Islamic centre building, known as Park51, a police officer stood next to the door on Friday and a police barricade was set up to contain the many journalists who had gathered to try to see the piece of the plane.
    The landing gear could not be seen from the sidewalk so commuters rushed by and looked quizzically at the gathering.

    The Park51 space is a five-story, mildly rundown building. The piece of plane is wedged in an alley space between that building and 50 Murray St., which is a luxury loft rental building.



    Part of 9/11 plane's landing gear found in New York... | Stuff.co.nz
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    ^

    Black Ops put it there Didn't they ENT. Last week maybe.

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    Just to add to the mystery, here's a bit more information on the find, bizarre.

    The piece was found in a narrow, rubbish-filled space 18in (0.45m) wide.

    Mr Kelly told reporters after inspecting it that a length of rope was looped around the piece of steel and that no marks were visible on the walls overhead, suggesting it could have been lowered from the rooftop.

    The New York Police Department has secured the area behind 51 Park Place and 50 Murray Street as a crime scene.

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    The piece of rope around the piece of landing gear plus no obvious gouge or scrape marks on the masonry surrounding it's place of rest, doesn't add up to a high speed projectile impact of part of a plane's landing gear several blocks away from the WTC towers.

    A piece of rope around it?

    Sounds as though someone dropped the thing there and couldn't get the rope back off it.

    Looking carefully at the material surrounding the piece of debris, there's absolutely no indication of how it got there other than that the object was carefully placed in that position by someone using a rope.

    Now who would do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Black Ops put it there Didn't they ENT

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Mr Kelly told reporters after inspecting it that a length of rope was looped around the piece of steel and that no marks were visible on the walls overhead, suggesting it could have been lowered from the rooftop.
    Nice to see you both agreeing for a change

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Now who would do that?
    My guess is that the half million or so conspirators have a whole warehouse full of bits and pieces of a plane they broke up back in 2001, that they will plant here and there as the need to keep up the public fear of terror demands.

    Pity about that bit of rope.....they will have to raise their standards of deception obviously. Did they really think something as lame as this would fool the Teakdoorians....sheesh.

    ohh maybe it's a ploy to distract us from the Boston marathon conspiracy for a while.... those bastards will try anything to throw us off the scent......
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    You Sepos (and ex-Ulster Canooks) have athing about conspiracies, eh?

    Mind you, you may be right.

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    That's quite a narrow gap for the piece to fall through without scratching the sides.

    The plot sickens.



    The gap between the two buildings, no more than 50cm or so wide.

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    A bit more, some local opinion,....
    The spot between the two buildings is said to be very narrow. The spokesman added that "it had to come in at almost precisely the right angle to end up being wedged there." Back on September 11th, 2001, a landing gear assembly struck the roof of a nearby building at 45-47 Park Place, and other airplane debris were scattered in the few blocks surrounding the Trade Center site.

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    A clearer shot of that piece of rope.


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    The serial number on the landing gear.


    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/landing-gear-9-11-boeing-jet-found-ground-zero-mosque-article-1.1328547

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    Try this link, it's the best I can do for now;

    Video of landing gear find.

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    A bit more info, a pulley was found attached to the debris.

    The twisted metal part, jammed in an 18-inch-wide sliver of open space between the buildings, has cables and levers on it and is about 17 inches wide and 4 feet long, New York Police Department Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Friday.


    Kelly edged down the narrow passageway to look at the object Friday evening, noting there is also a piece of rope intertwined with the part in what looks like a broken pulley that may have come down from the roof of the site of the planned Islamic community center, at 51 Park Place.

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    Does it help to know that the piece of landing gear and pulley was found behind the Islamic Centre at Park 51 Park Place, near the WTC?

    The plot gets murkier.

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    Yes,because it couldn't have landed on the roof, slid across, collected a rope and pulley and then dropped over the edge.

    It's much more likely a black OP where the incompetent conspirators rather than just dropping it over the edge, used a shitty rope and pulley that they couldn't recover.

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    Appears that way, don't it?

    Looks as if it was all done in a hurry too if the perp. couldn't/wouldn't retrieve the rope and pulley.

    There must have been a bit of bitch-slapping at HQ after.

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    It would be useful to see a map of the area showing the towers and the spot where the landing gear was found. It seems odd that such a piece of wreckage could have survived the impact and explosion unless it passed right through the building and was thrown well clear. A bit like the alleged terrorist pilot's ID card that was found streets away, undamaged! Also odd that the search for evidence didn't include the gap between two nearby buildings.

    If it's a set up, what might be the motive?

    The story is possible, I suppose, but more information would help to convince me.

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    G'day Morden, long time no see, welcome back.

    No way did that piece of airline debris get there directly from an exploding plane in one of those towers!

    We're going to either
    a) hear nothing more about it,
    b) hear a totally implausible story from the authorities(including Obama)
    c) actually start to see that the airliners crashing into the towers was a hoax
    d) go crazy thinking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    G'day Morden, long time no see, welcome back.

    No way did that piece of airline debris get there directly from an exploding plane in one of those towers!

    We're going to either
    a) hear nothing more about it,
    b) hear a totally implausible story from the authorities(including Obama)
    c) actually start to see that the airliners crashing into the towers was a hoax
    d) go crazy thinking about it.
    Hi ENT. Thanks!

    I suppose those who dismiss the possibility of a false flag operation, flying in the face of evidence, will soon start shrieking. They should be grateful that the Second Amendment allows them to own ground to air missiles.

    Another shriek will be that non-US citizens shouldn't comment, even though many of the victims weren't American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morden View Post
    It would be useful to see a map of the area showing the towers and the spot where the landing gear was found..
    The spot the aircraft part was found, 51 Park Place, is north of where the twin towers were.

    The first tower to get hit(?)/explode at WTC was the North Tower (#1) and the second was the South (#2) Tower at 9.03 am.

    The "plane" that supposedly hit it came from the south, supposedly it was a Boeing 767-222, UA Flt 175, debris exiting northwards from the tower.

    That could explain which "plane"the landing gear potentially could have come from.

    Another thing about that piece of debris, very clean, no burn traces/discolouration.
    Even metal dug up that's centuries old will show how much heat affected it.
    This particular piece of debris was well protected in its narrow slot, so driving grit particles, rain, sun etc would not have affected it much in 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    Yes,because it couldn't have landed on the roof, slid across, collected a rope and pulley and then dropped over the edge.

    It's much more likely a black OP where the incompetent conspirators rather than just dropping it over the edge, used a shitty rope and pulley that they couldn't recover.
    The "Magic Debris Theory" .......

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    How very convenient for the timing of finding this piece. There are too many first's in the 9/11 episode for me to believe a word the powers that be tell me. funny how they can trawl through the debris and find bone fragments the size of a fingernail and yet for the first time ever they can find no trace of the black boxes ? Another first !
    Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morden View Post
    It would be useful to see a map of the area showing the towers and the spot where the landing gear was found.


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    idea

    someone else found it after the crash, and tried to "save" it
    for themselves, but the crap pulley broke ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makmak456 View Post
    someone else found it after the crash, and tried to "save" it
    for themselves, but the crap pulley broke ????
    My thoughts exactly.

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    ^^ Could be, a souvenir hunter or such.

    That could explain the rope and pulley found with it.

    The rope was wrapped around part of the landing gear, so whoever did that could reach the thing at first to get the rope around it, but no clear shots or description yet of how the rope was fastened, which can give an insight into who tied the rope, a climbing knot, truck not or whatever, knots are an individual "craft", no person ties the same knot exactly like another.

    If a military person tied the knot or a punk tied it, the knot would indicate the person's level of skill.

    So far, someone seems to have stuffed up over the rope, pulley and the debris.

    A rope around it? Very, very odd.

    Another piece of landing gear was found on a roof close by years ago, so,....now what.

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    Since it hasn't been ID-ed as part of the 2 planes in question. Perhaps someone put a piece of plane junk there just to gain public attention to the building of a mosque, that they don't want. Jim

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    When looking at this pic again, I noticed that there's NO debris, dust or cobwebs, bits of anything stuck to the rope or on top of or covering the landing gear.


    Assuming that the cops did the right thing forensically, nothing would have been touched, displaced etc until pics were taken and all conditions at site were recorded.

    If that's the case, then thaqt very clean looking piece of debris and rope indicates to me that it all arrived at the site recently.

    The first response officer on site stated quie plainly that he had to edge his way to the landing gear as the gap was only 50cm or so wide to access it, but, and this is the bit, the piece was accessible from street level.

    Did someone then access the spot from street level and place the piece of aircraft there?
    If so, why the rope and pulley?

    Again, why didn't anyone try to retrieve the thing from street level ?

    I think the thing was dumped there in a hurry, recently. Everything is too clean and fresh.

    Not only that, but look at all the debris accumulated under the aircraft part, and the amount of debris accumulated throughout all of that ground between the two buildings.

    Also, that piece of NY between those two buildings had NOT been cleaned up after 9/11.
    Authorities are now cleaning out all of that stuff and examining it down to the soil.
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