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    Concern as Australians turn to Thailand for surrogates

    Concerns are being raised about the use of surrogates in Thailand as a growing number of Australians look to the country in their bid to have a child.

    The swing towards Thailand is the direct result of a decision by India to only grant medical visas for surrogacy to heterosexual couples who have been married for at least two years.

    For Marcus and his partner, this meant turning to Thailand to have their child.



    They have just returned home to Australia after their surrogate, a Thai woman, was implanted with an embryo made from one of the men's sperm and a Ukrainian woman's egg.

    Marcus says the process has not been easy.

    "We knew that before we decided to move ahead but it's worth it," he said.

    The men wanted to use a surrogate in India but the country now excludes gay couples.

    In the United States surrogacy can cost more than $150,000, but in Thailand it is only about $50,000.

    Unlike in the US however, the Thai surrogate is listed as the baby's mother on the birth certificate and if she is married, her husband will be put down as the father.

    The intending father, who provided the sperm, must get a DNA test in Thailand to prove he is biologically linked to the baby and then apply for an Australian passport for the child.

    Legal experts warn that this makes Thailand a legal minefield.

    Concern as Australians turn to Thailand for surrogates - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    They have just returned home to Australia after their surrogate, a Thai woman, was implanted with an embryo made from one of the men's sperm and a Ukrainian woman's egg.
    The times they are a changing.

    This is illegal in Thailand the way I understand it (surrogacy).

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    Amazing how some people complicate simple things.
    Aren't there any lesbian couples in the neighbourhood who are in the same situation so a deal can be struck?
    Make 2 babies - one for you and one for us.

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    Lesbos get a free pass as a 'single mother' surrogate option for the Indians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    For Marcus and his partner, this meant turning to Thailand to have their child.
    Wrong , plain and simple wrong .

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    These bloody homos want everything, marriage, children, brown hats.

    Theyll be demanding an extra arsehole next, one for shitting out of, and a second one for fucking, all paid for by the taxpayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper

    Legal experts warn that this makes Thailand a legal minefield.
    continues ........................

    Jenni Millbank, a professor of law at the University of Technology and an expert in surrogacy law, says surrogacy in Thailand has "a whole different box of problems".

    "The main problem is the uncertainty over the parental status of the intended parents and the lack of process for transferring parental status from a surrogate to the intended parents," she said.

    Mariam Kukunashvili co-founded New Life Global Network, a group of surrogacy clinics around the world, and has had a clinic in Bangkok for the past year.

    But even she says India is a much better option than Thailand because the law is a lot clearer.

    "We are trying to diminish the risks but we cannot change the law or regulations," she said.

    "People must be aware and expectations must be met and that's why we are informing them very clearly so the choice is up to them."

    According to Ms Kukunashvili, the process from when the baby is born to when it can return to Australia takes about a month.

    She says because surrogates are motivated by money, she has never had a case where the surrogate has tried to keep the baby or blackmail the intending parents.

    But Professor Millbank has serious concerns for parents, especially if relationships break down.

    "Mothers are in a terrible position with surrogacy arrangements whether they are genetic parents or not," she said.

    "Intended mothers are not acknowledged as legal parents - neither in Australia or Thailand," she said.

    Professor Millbank wants commercial surrogacy to be legalised in Australia so Australian families can go through the process at home where it is safer, fairer and cheaper.

    Meanwhile, Marcus believes the laws as they stand are discriminatory.

    "The one of us that isn't the biological parent, isn't recognised as a legal guardian and that can potentially cause some problems down the line," he said.

    "If one of us passed away and the other one isn't recognised under Australian law, technically the child could go into care while the other parent fights it out in court."

    Marcus says they will meet their Thai surrogate before the birth of their child, and they have already met the Ukrainian woman who donated the egg.

    "What we will bring back from Thailand will be the amazing next chapter of our lives," he said.

    "I think we're going to bring up great kids, with great values who will make a great contribution to our society."

    Concern as Australians turn to Thailand for surrogates - Yahoo!7

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    Nancy boy

    "I think we're going to bring up great kids, with great values who will make a great contribution to our society."
    His child will have a mixture of genes derived from an attention seeking demanding homosexual father and a thai woman whose only motivation for having this child is financial gain.

    How could it possibly go wrong.

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    Why not adopt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by natalie8 View Post
    Why not adopt?
    Great choice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    These bloody homos want everything, marriage, children, brown hats.

    Theyll be demanding an extra arsehole next, one for shitting out of, and a second one for fucking, all paid for by the taxpayer.
    Aren't they better than the gays who care about the next arsehole to fuck only? If they weren't so concerned to have the DNA of one of them in the kid, the whole thing would be so much simpler though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Looper
    They have just returned home to Australia after their surrogate, a Thai woman, was implanted with an embryo made from one of the men's sperm and a Ukrainian woman's egg.
    The times they are a changing.

    This is illegal in Thailand the way I understand it (surrogacy).
    Isnt sodomy illegal too ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    These bloody homos want everything, marriage, children, brown hats.

    Theyll be demanding an extra arsehole next, one for shitting out of, and a second one for fucking, all paid for by the taxpayer.

    Transgendered surgery is fully paid for by the tax payer here in Alberta, the most conservative province in the cuontry.

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    Wombs for hire: Aussie couples flock to Thailand to find surrogates
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    29 Oct 2013



    The Feed's Patrick Abboud travelled to Thailand to investigate the dark side of commercial surrogacy.

    ‘James’ and his partner ‘Mikey’ (not their real names) are getting to know their newborn baby girl.

    The boys have been in a committed relationship for 5 years. They wanted a family – so much – they had to break the law to create it.

    “We just went for it,” says James. “We wanted a family and we wanted to get it done and we just went over there and went full steam ahead and done what we needed to do. “

    “When it comes down to it, people are going to do what they need to do to get their families.”

    Thousands of Australians like James and Mikey struggle to start a family – making surrogacy an attractive option.

    Commercial surrogacy or paying a woman to carry your baby is a criminal offence within Australia carrying severe penalties including fines of at least $100,000 and/or a jail term in some states. Tough adoption laws also make it near impossible for gay couples to go down that path.

    Because of the issues in Australia many hopeful parents are flocking to Thailand where the business of made to order babies is booming.

    “We had two surrogates. Both my partner and I did it at the same time. We were going into it, looking at it as if we can get a biological child each but one of the surrogates was a positive and the other surrogate was a negative, and the surrogate that was positive was positive with twins but we lost one quite early on in the pregnancy”, says James.

    “With the surrogates they gave us a lot of information…a whole profile of their medical history…down to personality traits and everything. We got to meet them both before the whole process started which was quite an amazing experience. It was beautiful.”

    A trip to Thailand to start your family sounds like the perfect solution but it’s not as simple as it may seem. It’s an unregulated industry vulnerable to exploitation.

    “The government and the Prevention of Human Trafficking Act view commercial surrogacy as a form of human trafficking,” says Saowanee Khomepatr, Director at Thailand’s Ministry of Social Development and Human Security. “Right now, it’s illegal so it’s a form of exploitation”

    The entire process from sperm, eggs, embryo to birth costs around $50,000. It’s unclear how much of that goes to the surrogates. Most agencies advertise that they pay around $10-15,000 but the surrogates say that’s often not the case.

    New agencies are popping up daily, more internationals are flying in to ‘rent a womb’ - all right under the nose of authorities.

    It’s no secret the trade in human life in Thailand is thriving; hundreds of agencies advertise their services online. While India used to be the hotspot – now it’s Thailand.

    In the 2011-2012 financial year there was 459 Australian citizenship applications made for children born in Thailand – a trend that’s steadily increasing.

    Most Australian states don’t allow children born to surrogates overseas back into the country with up to 2 years imprisonment in some cases.

    So how did James and Mikey get their daughter home?

    “It was a huge risk flying back to where we are from in Australia but we took the risk and we made it home just fine,” says James.

    Effectively by law ‘James’ and Mikey’s daughter doesn’t solely belong to them. That surrogate is listed as the baby’s mother and remains the legal guardian.

    If James and Mikey go to the courts in their state to seek full parental rights down the track - they could be charged as criminals and potentially lose their little girl.

    Laws to govern surrogacy arrangements in Thailand are currently being debated in Thai parliament.

    In Australia pressure is mounting to have commercial surrogacy legalised so couples like James and Mikey don’t have to look overseas and in turn risk imprisonment.

    In any case – it’s clear people want their own children – and they’ll do whatever it takes to start a family.

    The Feed’s Patrick Abboud looks at Thailand’s booming surrogacy trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natalie8 View Post
    Why not adopt?
    Ego.....

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    As much as I have no problem with people being gay and hate 'gay hate', I cannot agree with gay couples of either gender being allowed to adopt kids.

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    I struggle with the concept of a gay couple paying others to make their dreams come true. I have no problem with people attracted to each other what ever their gender.

    If they are loving and caring people, which I believe most are, they should really pull their horns in and accept that which is biologically impossible.

    Sure, many would make great parents and there are millions of kids desperate for a loving home. Perhaps the two groups should be practical and treat the situation like Battersea who re-home abandoned and abused dogs.
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